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  1. 15 points
    Midget

    HB to a legend of the game

    Trevor McKee, 80 today, an absolute legend of the game. Enjoy your birthday Trev, on behalf of all Cafers we hope you large it up and have a special day.
  2. 14 points
    departed

    Go Winnie

    Ardern is a communist who has never held a job in the real world and thinks that taxing more and spending more will fix everything. She has just been talking about eliminating child poverty and making waterways clean. Are those really serious enough problems in NZ to change government over? Things were going pretty well and NZ was the envy of most other developed countries in running a budget surplus and having a strong economy and providing jobs for New Zealanders. As soon as this decision was announced the NZ dollar fell, which will mean all imports are more expensive. Yea a few breeders who sell on the Asian market may benefit but this is pretty much limited to a few of the bigger players in the breeding industry. See how much flows down to the small time breeders and owners. Labour and the Greens are not supporters of racing, particularly the Greens. They see it as elitist and the Greens will be wanting to ban jumps racing the minute they see a horse break down. Peters is just an opportunist only out for what he can get for himself. At his age this is probably his last throw of the dice so he doesn't care what damage he causes to his party or the country. He lost his seat so now he is out for all he can get before he retires to Kerikeri. He may have snared the Racing Minister job but only so he can swan around in the Presidents Room at Ellerslie on Boxing Day, drinking free whisky. Don't see him undertaking any major overhaul of racing. What he did last time around hasn't saved racing. Heaven help NZ, it will need it.
  3. 11 points
    aquaman

    R.I.P. Fekitoa.

    The high class son of Nina's Girl ran his last race at Waikato on Thursday night after injuring his near foreleg at the catch. He was a very good dog that never reached his full potential. I had a small wager on him, and saw to my sadness his failure to make the dia's, being taken away on the golf cart. Consequently the first thing I did friday morning was look up the Stipe report to find out what happened to him. Unfortunately this was of no help, just making note of the fact Fekitoa was injured at the catch. There was no standown given for the dog, there was no mention he had been euthanised at the track. So I looked up the author of the report and rang him. I asked what happened to Fekitoa, why no stand down?. Was then informed poor Fekitoa had been euthanised at the track. So my next question was, why wasn't this noted in the report, answer, NZGRA policy is not to mention it in Stipes reports. Ok ,I get it, it is to hide the ugly side of sports injuries, and to sanitise these public reports so as not to give ammunition to animal right activists. Now forgive me from feeling that this is not right, it feels corrupt, and at the very least, is designed to mislead the public. This is the actions NSW were guilty of, sanitising Stewards reports, this is why the NSW Board of Greyhound racing were sacked. I really find it hard to believe, that at a institutional level they are purposely leaving out facts that do not suit the agenda. And I have to ask why. Every thinking sane person knows there are risks when competing in all sports, and as in Greyhound racing there will always be the occasional fatality. Horses have it, Motor racing have it, Boxers have it, Mountain climbers have it, it is the nature of the beast. In Greyhound racing, there would probably be no more than 2/3 month throughout the country that need to be euthanised on humane grounds, so why hide it. Joe public will except this, especially when its at a very tiny level. I bring this up, as all Vets at the track will have independent reports on dogs euthanised by them, so there is a paper trail out there that is not matching the Stipe reports, and will be very easily proven by anybody with an animal rights agenda with a view of shutting down dog racing. This is a very dangerous policy to take that has the potential to strip the NZGRA of any credibility just as happened in NSW. Imagine if there was a Ministerial Enquiry into dog racing, and the Stipes are called to testify, and asked the question, why wasn't dogs such as Fekitoa mentioned in the Stipes report as having been put down, answer, we have been instructed not to include it. Better to tell the truth me thinks, this has the potential to do great harm, and its important that Stipe reports clearly and honestly reflect the days happenings.
  4. 9 points
    Wow , what a thrill to be playing the great PJ on Everest Day ... PJ , you better wander down to Snitzel's Barn and ask him which of his offspring you should support . R 1 - 10,15 R 2 - 5,9 B/B R 3 - 9,12 R 4 - 1,3 R 5 - 9,11 R 6 - 1,6 R 7 - 1,11 R 8 - 2,9 R 9 - 3,6 B/B R 10 - 5,9 Good luck everyone. Have a great day of tipping . Wrinkles R1 - 6,11 R2 - 1,4 R3 - 4,7 B/B R4 - 3,4 R5 - 2,5 R6 - 2,4 R7 -1,11 R8 - 4,9 B/B R9 - 1,8 R10 - 3,10 Punter Pete , good luck to you and your team. PJ , your summaries are most appreciated and a joy to read from this end.
  5. 8 points
    barryb

    Go Winnie

    Yep and pay the vast majority of taxes in the country to support those who are tax neutral. google it up Porky, over 50% of the population receive more in govt assistance than they pay in tax. Rather than shit on these people who pay the tax that funds the country, you bend over backwards to accomodate them & give them reasons to want to grow, not foster a handout mentality which is the road we are now going down.
  6. 8 points
    barryb

    Go Winnie

    What I don't support Liz is your notion of a fairer society as that's code in the Labour party for some poor bastard pays disproportionately for someone else choices that were not so smart. However I am prepared to cut the new Govt some slack & hope like f--k they get things right for the better interests of all of us. Winston has removed the greens which is great & squashed most of labour's policies so are you really going to see the change you want Liz?. Labour has sold its soul for power & for them its going to be short lived the ride I fear.
  7. 8 points
    Insider

    Rogerson

    Playing the Devil's advocate; he's achieved more than 90% of the posters on here including me one way or the other. LOL
  8. 7 points
    poundforpound

    Go Winnie

    Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition. They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team.
  9. 7 points
    Trump

    Go Winnie

    Deputy Prime Minister? What a joke NZ has become. A multi time loser, Peter's, decides that minor parties rule. Watch this space. In 3 years time, the money will be spent, debt piled up AGAIN and they will be thrown out with the trash. I thought nz'ders were smarter than that. But then again, when a failed loser, who has been unwanted by the electorate, gets to choose who governs NZ, the system is stuffed. Watch house prices plunge!
  10. 7 points
    hesi

    A VICTIMS MOTHER

    Just ignore Moosey and Gruffy, they are probably onto smoking their third banana skin, by this time on a Sun night. Hope your daughter has not had her passion for horses dampened by these events, there are a lot of us good folk in the world who are abhorred by such behaviour. For me, but not for mine, I have a passion for horses, as long as they are on the race track, otherwise they are sort of 'Jaws' on 4 legs. Keep going in whatever way you have to, the squeaky wheel gets the oil. There are I presume a lot of us, who had no idea this sort of thing went on in the Racing industry
  11. 7 points
    Baz (NZ)

    Tarissa Mitchell

    All the best Tarissa with a speedy recovery....thinking of you at this unfortunate time. Tarissa Mitchell
  12. 7 points
    puha

    Onya Waipukurau

    Hopefully the rain stays away as a dead 6 track is on the cards tomorrow . Even Waikato stables are trekking south in search of good footing . On another positive note the club are jumpouts on Friday with over 60 horses entered and open to all . Even hear a group winner is trekking over for them. Proves yet again these smaller clubs that are run by volunteers are an asset to the industry. S.L
  13. 7 points
    Hound Fan

    Stuff

    Not good reading stuff this morning....if grnz and the riu had acted quicker in this case instead off hiding the truth ...whatever that is...it would not be as bad as it sounds now.....a simple statement 3 weeks ago would have stopped the smoke but o no cover it up and turn it onto a blaze.......dissapointing
  14. 7 points
    jasonmccook1

    PUNTERS CLUB NUMBER 15

    Well done Mr cubes. I know someone who got on @$41 (No it wasn't me but hopefully he shares after I said maybe Miami to him) That's the kick start we needed so total for weekend is $603 as trapdak had a wee collect on place multis to help the cause. Hope this trend continues
  15. 6 points
    2Admin2

    Go Winnie

    Their policies are plain dumb and I can't understand how you socialists who are well off (you race and breed horses don't you) dont understand that one way or another you are to have to reach even deeper into your pockets. I'm still waiting for Insider to explain how Winnie is going to deliver affordable housing but let's look closer at the "free tertiary education." Estimated to cost $6 billion. Bang there goes tax cuts. Suddenly everyone finds it much easier to go to university to do a BA (known as a Bugger All) in my day. No job at the end of it but I guess you could aspire to be PM now afterall you didn't need to have had a proper job to do that. Woops looks we have a problem Jacinda says Robertson. The unis don't have the capacity nor the lecturers. Ok Grant tax the rich pricks more and build bigger unis and import more lecturers. Well with the last task Jacinda we'd have to increase immigration and housing in Auckland. Or we could reduce investment in university research for example we don't really need those specialist horse units and we don't need those pasture and diary experts as they only pollute the place. Good idea G a policy that knocks off two problems at once. Well maybe Grant we need to reduce the supply of students raise the entry qualifications for them. Well J that's a bit now as we got rid of National Standards. Perhaps we could establish quotas you know like the South African Rugby Union does and fix the racial and gender issue at the same time. And on and on it goes... You socialist race horse owners think the Government is going to fix racing? As the Ad goes "you're dreaming mate"....
  16. 6 points
    gubellini

    Go Winnie

    departed what fatuous nonsense! Calling Jacinda Ardern a Communist is as wrong as me labelling any Tory P.M. a Fascist. We have now got a chance of getting a decent Racing Minister. Nathan Guy was an also ran and David Bennett fell at the first fence when he appointed Bill Birnie to a 3 year term to the NZRB.
  17. 6 points
    Insider

    Go Winnie

    What shit. National took over a Government that had consitstantly returned a budget surplus. FACT. National fail to return one for the first eight years. FACT. Trump, I know that you think that you were born to rule, even your commercial management background influences you there, but face facts, we the majority, have said otherwise! Suck it up and move on. You have had your time. IT’s OVER.
  18. 6 points
    bloke

    Go Winnie

    When labour went out of Office 9 years ago debt had been reduced to stuff all and there was $20Billion in the Cullen Super Fund. National pushed our debt out to over 100 Billion. I do not blame Key for this as he had a financial meltdown to deal with. Ron Muldoon ran up huge debt during his reign of turmoil. Sorry but when it comes to running up debt National are winners by a country mile.
  19. 6 points
    Insider

    Go Winnie

    Sour grapes!
  20. 6 points
    Ohokaman

    Go Winnie

    What a fucked up system. A bloke who lost his own seat and whose party got a million votes less than National, decides....??? His comment that " Capitalism is the enemy of New Zealanders" should have a hell of a lot of people very worried.
  21. 6 points
    chevy86

    Te Aroha today

    How good was it to see our equine friends being able to show their athletic prowess on a decent track today! Well done Te Aroha, one of my favourite tracks for ambience, hospitality and fair racing when the conditions are right.
  22. 6 points
    jess

    A VICTIMS MOTHER

    Anyone with half a brain will recognise the victim-blaming brigade for what/who they are - in doing so, I believe these people effectively align themselves with those who do this type of thing. And anyone who has had anything to do with victims of this type of behavior will also know - there is nothing unusual about a victim "freezing" in response to such behavior/assault. All of you who find yourselves taking aim at the victim or defending the males who do this - need to take a look at yourselves. And perhaps if you have a young daughter or a niece - think about how you would like her to be treated. J.
  23. 6 points
    jess

    Cody Singer

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11924339 Courageous of his family to speak out publicly. We all sometimes need a reminder to look out for - and look after each other. But equally - families can have their hearts doubly broken by torturing themselves endlessly over what they could/should have done differently when someone takes their own life. And sometimes people have done all that they could in the circumstances or the outcome simply could not have been forseen. A person who commits suicide can be very determined to do so & may conceal their intent well. Go well `cafers - be gentle. Kind wishes and condolences to the Singer family.
  24. 6 points
    what a post

    R.I.P. Fekitoa.

    I have not read this forum for a month or so but nothing much seems to have changed. Playing the man and not the ball still seems the norm for some. Aquaman seems to have a valid point. If leadership wanted to clean up this sport they could? From a distance it seems the most used tools in the toolkit are the broom and the blinkers. This approach then reflects on everyone involved.
  25. 6 points
    turny

    Rogerson

    Legend - very pro NZ - top bloke - and a bloody good horseman - and can train the animals - support passion - the industry should champion blokes like Rodgy - stuffed without his ilk
  26. 6 points
    Littletramp

    Election facts

    Not election facts, but some personal election observations and ramblings, offered purely because this topical thread has already been posted on this forum by others. 1) The majority of the current political media have little idea about what really matters, don't listen to what is being spoken and are obsessed with what they personally forecast is about to or should happen. (this is also prevalent in the sports broadcasters - do I really need the Sky rugby commentator telling me what Israel Folau should believe about same sex marriage)? The younger generation are showing themselves to be incredibly impatient and expect everything to happen in a yes or no - right now manner. They forget they are talking about the fate of 4 million plus people and our place in the world. Just evolution I guess but very frustrating if you want to listen to considered discussion. 2) The outcome - Although Bill English is promoting the narrative that they won more votes than other parties and there may be some moral obligation to be first in line, there is an equal and opposite view that the majority of NZ has said they want change. We commented on this forum weeks ago that a vote for Winston would allow him to form a moderated right or left and as long as that "power governor" is present, it does not really matter which way he goes. He won't let either side go off the rails. 3) The media is not throwing up the consideration that National with NZ First is in fact a genuine option for that change. It is a totally new dynamic to the John Key years. National has however been vicious to Winston in many ways and they will be paying a kings ransom to get him on side in my opinion, but I am hoping for this outcome. The fact that he lost his seat is a plus IMHO as he will have plenty on his plate and he can only benefit from not having an electorate to represent. 4) If National and NZ First do form a coalition and attend to the the obvious challenging social issues of housing, drugs, employment, health etc now that they are cashed up and show some intent, we would not see another Labour government for many, many years. The foundation is there which if governed with more social balance than recent years, could make it very hard for a future opponent to break through. Maybe that is just wishful thinking? 5) Times are a changin' and it is definitely time for a younger generation of politicians and leaders but the answer is not Jacinda Ardern. I disagree that she needs more time and will be a threat in 2020 as we have had a good look at the timber she is cut from and saw too many flaws. Someone will emerge from the pack and we will embrace and follow them based on respect and leadership qualities but I suspect that person was not in the last parliament. Maybe they will emerge in the next 3 years. Cheers!
  27. 6 points
    Steve Paul

    PUNTERS CLUB NUMBER 15

    Very very nice
  28. 6 points
    jess

    Vote National thread

    And don't get me wrong - I'm not the silver-spoon brigade looking down my nose at the poor people. I'm from a big family of very modest means. But given they chose to have lots of kids - my parents both worked like hell to provide for us all - they never stuck their hands out for help - they figured that it was their deicsion to have a bunch of kids - so they never dreamed that we were someone else's responsibillity to love, educate, care or pay for (even when some of us developed a love for possibly the most expensive hobby of them all - yep - horses!!). And the magical thing is of course - while none of us is the perfect human being - we all "inherited" those same ideas / work ethic. Because that was what was modelled for us. So as far as inheritances go - while there weren't sackloads of gold bars - I feel pretty darned blessed.
  29. 5 points
    gubellini

    Go Winnie

    Trump National is the party of borrow and hope. Labour the party of tax and hope. Bill English was a debt junkie happily mainlining on overseas borrowing. Future generations will be paying back these loans forever. As a socialist racehorse owner I am happy to pay more tax NOW rather than have future generations quagmired in debt to our overseas masters.
  30. 5 points
    final luca

    Go Winnie

    laugh at the Australian media,look what Australia has got as their leader backstabber. Winston has put mmp back onto the track it was meant, now watch national try and reintroduce, first past the post again. Winston by going with labour right or wrong call we will find out but it was a much needed call, not for the well off,rich or wealthy inports,farmers and those wannabes. but for the working class of nz, the pensioners/unemployed, low income earners, tose living under bridges,in cars, those like earthquake victims that are waiting for their houses to be fixex, those famailies of pike river victims the list just goes on and on and on. all of these people have gone without while the rich and well off have tripled their nests. although I was not born in the 1930's to witness the great depression, I feel in modern time we have experienced a false economy,developed by those mega rich capitalists and it now under mmp, has finally had it's bubble burst. I voted mmp, mistake ? on the info we were all given at the time, no. but it was national that changed the ,then format of mmp to whatit is today... it has clearly bitten the hand that feeds it.. I voted NZF, both party/list, as I said I would be doing from day one, in clutha /southland , the national party retained the seat BUT we also now have a list MP. mark Patterson of NZF. welcome, and welcome back to Winston peters and the greens and nz labour party.. I unlike some, will give you all the time you need, to right many wrongs that have been cast upoun the people of this country by capitalism greed. and I won't backstab any of them I will give them a fair go, to do their job... I will keep them honest however just like most good people of nz will.
  31. 5 points
    hesi

    Go Winnie

    Give it a break you guys, you're starting to sound like sore losers, Nathan Guy, nor any National Minister did anything for Racing, and yet you are bagging the new mob before they have even had a chance to prove what they can or can't do
  32. 5 points
    La Zip

    Go Winnie

    Just one thing we all need to consider as this new scenario plays out.....whilst you may believe WP is racing industry's saviour...just let's turn back to the racing legislation on Parliament's books....and how that is going to sway on the now in Government, Greens. All the money from the pokies that is slated to prop up prizemoney for the racing industry could be in a battle with the "headline" child poverty policy of the Green/Labour. I'd be taking bets this could be the first major culture clash of the new government...so let's see how WP deals with this...and don't think Racing is going to get any great favours from Labour/Greens...and don't believe that WP put racing at the top of the negotiating table...it's all about power and as racing is perceived as "elitist" I'm sure the battle for funds is only at first base. Don't hold your breathe....this triumvirate is a house of cards..too many diametrically opposed views...and racing will lose....but whilst I'm a realist, I would be overjoyed to be proven wrong!!!
  33. 5 points
    Trump

    Go Winnie

    So you've got a babysitter for PM and a pensioner who got the arse from the electorate big time - himself. His party gets 5/8th's of f..kall votes, yets decides who governs. It doesn't really bother me who wins, I've supported Hawke/Keating, Helen Clarke, John Key, John Howard. But please, don't tell me that you Insider, are happy to have a NZ First get 4 frigging seats! Plus Deputy Pm (even with f..kall votes) the Greens and a 37 yo Pm and Labour govern? If you are then you are obviously ready for euthanasia. I remember Winston in a Corporate Tent at the races in Tauranga. He came back into the Corp "Tent" after we had been watching race ( which my horse won) and he sat down in my Mothers seat and started drinking her white wine. He wasn't even on our table ffs!! On seeing this, my Mother said, " I think Sir, that you are in my seat and you are drinking my wine". No Madam, said Winnie, this is my seat and my glass. My 80yo Mother, who was much sharper than Winnie, then replied, " Well then Sir, you must be wearing the same shade of lipstick as me!". I'll never forget his face as he got up apologetic and went bro his own table. And this guy is your Kingmaker and Deputy PM Insider! You live in a lefty town so I'm not surprised that you think today is good for NZ. After 3 years of freebies, proof will be in the pudding.
  34. 5 points
    turny

    Go Winnie

    Great result - racing has a life line
  35. 5 points
    Insider

    Go Winnie

    What unadulterated shit.
  36. 5 points
    chevy86

    Go Winnie

    The business acumen of Adern, Davis, Robertson will catapult us into the global economic stratosphere! Thanks for nothing Patrick. Canada, Austria and now NZ--the power will be more and more with the bureaucrats ( and the puppet master Winston) as these "celebrity" prime ministers think they are organising a primary school picnic.
  37. 5 points
    Popsy

    A VICTIMS MOTHER

    I'm Victim A's mother. I'm saddened by people on this page with their attitudes to sexual abuse it appears to vary from those outside of racing. On the night my daughter had just turned 18 and when this happend she was petrified she froze she regrets this but at the time she just did not no what to do she was terrified to the point she ran outside and hide in bushes and ........ went after her and was stopped by others to protect her when this happened. They stated this was a once off but I can cross my heart and say this is in no way a once off. Years ago ........ also attacked a 15 year old girl in her school uniform in back of his truck she ran to another trainers stables next door and this was witnessed by a few and reported to RIU, all up there was 5-6 others that RIU are well aware off but unless the girls will come forward RIU has it's hands tied and the monster will continue to do this and get away with it. There was a reason there was two trials. But as victim A was the only one not to accept bribe/payout/threats the police could not act. To blame booze is a cop out. And since this story a lot more stories have come out and as adults we should be supporting these kids. The problem is these are mostly young stable hands that feel helpless and are scared as they love their jobs and fear they will be black listed everywhere. So many people no of........ behaviour and not only RIU but top trainers are saying enough is enough. Maybe need some kind of union for staff in racing. But I no that this has really effected my daughter and she now has trouble sleeping and is shit scared of seeing him. This guy can now continue to ruin young kids lives and this makes me so sick. I just hope we can support those affected to come forward and not be scared so we can stop this from happening again. We need to protect the younger generation. As a mum I'm horrified for the comments that anyone with think my daughter would be interested in a old sleepy man and in that position she was put in I'd hate to think how I would react we are all different
  38. 5 points
    Patiti

    Interesting

    Just what you would expect from a time thief.
  39. 5 points
    Peter and Tony , Here are some tip's you are welcome to use ! Tony, i trust your illness is not too serious. 10,13 2,4 5,9 7,12 2,5 * 1,2 * 1,11 1,10 6,9 6,9
  40. 5 points
    Newmarket

    Ozzie interstate Madness

    Your on drugs if you believe that its the best credentialed sprint in Oz. Nothing but a glorified sweepstake. Victorian papers say your not right but each to their own and my bets will be ,for a change centred on Caulfield where they have some of the best fields assembled for many a year.
  41. 5 points
    The Brodster is certainly on something, but it sure ain't the money! 1. Everyone having unlimited betting access dates back to the tote only days. The Fixed Odds/Bookies model has totally different rules. You should learn them 2. Whips are a dinosaur from the 20th century. They will be dispatched to history very soon. Animal welfare is "on the money". You can kid yourself that you're "on the money", but the truth is that your thinking on the above matters is a relic from days gone by. You seem to think that everyone that disagrees with you "has an agenda", "works for the TAB, or "works for HRNZ", when in reality we've just moved into the 21st century, and you're clinging grimly to the 1970's.
  42. 5 points
    The day they run a Group One on that front running shit hole, I will GIVE UP owning, breeding, backing or even watching thoroughbreds after I have spent my whole life supporting the game one way or the other. It would be the final straw
  43. 5 points
    gubellini

    Hastings Track Conditions

    Ohokaman the difference is that back in the 70's and 80's track managers and even a lot of committee members had extensive farming backgrounds and new about pasture growth and management. Many clubs also strip grazed sheep to consolidate the track surfaces.
  44. 5 points
    Koriokaramea

    Stark reality of NZ racing

    As if anyone needed reminding of the stark variance between New Zealand and Australian racing. Today, Saturday, the major racing day of the week (the day I'm not at work), New Zealand's largest city Auckland (pop. 2 million), race meeting at Ellerslie, with a mere 6 races. We look at Australia this weekend where the headline acts include Chautauqua, Hartnell, Black Heart Bart, Bonneval. By comparison in New Zealand the NZ Herald's Mike Dillon yesterday reported the headline act as going to be the brave but very limited one-paced Smedley, who promptly took umbrage at any suggestion it would be headlining anything, and scratched itself.
  45. 5 points
    I think you know that's not the runner-up's name - smartarse
  46. 5 points
    Hi Peter, happy to post updates for all matches not covered by others. May be out and about so the odd result may be delayed but for the most part should be reasonably up-to-date.
  47. 5 points
    uneasy

    Rogerson

    99.99% more!!!
  48. 5 points
    hesi

    Hastings Track Conditions

    You have to acknowledge though, that the conditions, a slow 9, favoured GNuts, over Kawi, a horse that is known to dislike soft tracks
  49. 5 points
    Cubes

    PUNTERS CLUB NUMBER 15

    Cubity appreciates the asymmetric Each / Way bets are not every 'Cafers cuppa.....but " Hey ! "....that is kinda of the beauty of "The Club"...we are all unique All bets Riccarton...Meeting 6 Race 6...#12...Twilight Meteor...5/20 Race 8...#1...Maybe Miami...35/65 Race 9...#3...Hot Fuss...10/30 Race 11...#5...Son of Zac...10/15
  50. 5 points
    jess

    Vote National thread

    Cheers Col - I know I'm really fortunate to have had the upbringing I had. And I too find it very sad how "last century" personal responsibility has become. The blame game (preferably a govt dept) seems to give people the right to absolve themselves of everything - and they don't seem to notice as they point that finger of blame - there's 3 fingers pointing back at them. Apologies to use hapless children as an example but I will, to illustrate a point: when Oranga Tamariki (prevoiusly CYFS) gets things wrong with kids in their care - the parent/s emerge from the woodwork absolutely outraged and screaming from the rooftops. And in some cases understandably so. But they appear to give no regard to, or accept any responsibility for, how their own behavior, neglect, criminal acts or abuse have contributed to that child being in state care in the first place. And the media seems happy to feed this ever-growing belief that the state has to keep everyone in the manner to which we'd all like to become accustomed (to borrow a line I heard recently - welfare should be a safety net, not a bloody hammock!). It feels like there is a growing sense of entitlement. There will never be a shortage of hard luck stories to fill the pages/screens with. But the journalists often just provide a soap-box for people to bleat from ... I don't hear any probing questions or even a hint that perhaps the individual should look within for some of the answers ... so these people just carry on thinking "poor me, I want, I need, I demand ..." My family was a fairly socialist, community-minded lot - parents did voluntary/charitable work in addition to their paying jobs - and as kids we were raised to have compassion and empathy and look after those who had less than we did. But this current mindset where it's everyone else's fault, and the government (read - taxpayers) job to provide the lifestyle one wants - makes me worried for the future. J
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