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I notice nothing has been posted about Trentham yesterday. I maybe wrong but racing appears to have gone stale in this country. Entain came in with all the bells and whistles, plied money into stakes etc which is great for owners and trainers.

But the rubbish advertising and ideas that have come from them seem to have driven race goers away. Why ? .. in my opinion what they are doing is cringeworthy and is definitely not the KIWI way.

It's really hard to watch Trackside these days as well, the mute button gets a good work out.

There was some good racing yesterday, and Sam Spratt again shone.

I'm really worried about racing continuing to become even more plastic, vanilla, and AI.

ENTAIN are going to ruin Kiwi racing

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4 minutes ago, Palliser said:

I notice nothing has been posted about Trentham yesterday. I maybe wrong but racing appears to have gone stale in this country. Entain came in with all the bells and whistles, plied money into stakes etc which is great for owners and trainers.

But the rubbish advertising and ideas that have come from them seem to have driven race goers away. Why ? .. in my opinion what they are doing is cringeworthy and is definitely not the KIWI way.

It's really hard to watch Trackside these days as well, the mute button gets a good work out.

There was some good racing yesterday, and Sam Spratt again shone.

I'm really worried about racing continuing to become even more plastic, vanilla, and AI.

ENTAIN are going to ruin Kiwi racing

Mate , NZ racing was on the downward spiral long before Entain came along .

Whatever you may think of Entain they have at least given owners some decent stakes at least in the short term .

The rest is just wrapping , if you don't like it don't listen , as you appear to be doing . The industry has far larger issues than how the TAB presents racing .

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15 minutes ago, Palliser said:

I notice nothing has been posted about Trentham yesterday. I maybe wrong but racing appears to have gone stale in this country. Entain came in with all the bells and whistles, plied money into stakes etc which is great for owners and trainers.

I would much rather watch the racing than the cricket last night. Now that was cringeworthy. 

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8 minutes ago, Insider said:

Maybe that’s because there was nothing for moaners to moan about 😂

 

I think you'll find the moaners are tired of moaning about stuff they have been moaning about and seeing nothing happen about the stuff they are moaning about .

There's only so much moaning you can do before you give up moaning .

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20 minutes ago, nomates said:

I think you'll find the moaners are tired of moaning about stuff they have been moaning about and seeing nothing happen about the stuff they are moaning about .

There's only so much moaning you can do before you give up moaning .

Exactly. You also give up trying to provide constructive input at multiple levels resulting in being ignored and attempts to shut you down.

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Full credit to the WRC - Trentham was a show case for NZ Racing yesterday.

Great low grade racing on a track that was variable enough that every horse was suited at some stage during its race.

The drone coverage of the first 600m of the time honoured Wellington Cup was innovative.  Looking into people's backyards added a new dimension to the excitement of the horses looking to settle into position.  The only criticism would be perhaps in the future they could write the number on the back of the Jockey or horse so the punter can see where their horse has settled.

The General Admission price for the public was great value at what was it $50?  The raised concrete pad to view the race and then the "free" concert afterwards all added value to the experience.

Not to mention the world class times that were run on the Champagne Turf!

7,000 people although not quite the level of the 20,000+ that used to attend must be on the improve!

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2 hours ago, Palliser said:

I notice nothing has been posted about Trentham yesterday. I maybe wrong but racing appears to have gone stale in this country. Entain came in with all the bells and whistles, plied money into stakes etc which is great for owners and trainers.

But the rubbish advertising and ideas that have come from them seem to have driven race goers away. Why ? .. in my opinion what they are doing is cringeworthy and is definitely not the KIWI way.

It's really hard to watch Trackside these days as well, the mute button gets a good work out.

There was some good racing yesterday, and Sam Spratt again shone.

I'm really worried about racing continuing to become even more plastic, vanilla, and AI.

ENTAIN are going to ruin Kiwi racing

I don't think Sam did anything at Trentham. The southern lady did well winning the open sprint and second in both group 3s.

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42 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

I don't think Sam did anything at Trentham. The southern lady did well winning the open sprint and second in both group 3s.

Yes you are absolutely correct, I got mixed up with Thorndon Mile day. And yes Tina did very well.

A friend of mine said Andre Neill drove them all mad going on and on over the loudspeaker lols

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3 hours ago, Blaird said:

I would much rather watch the racing than the cricket last night. Now that was cringeworthy. 

The Crjcket was fine for what it is, the TV commentary was the spoiler from a viewing angle.

Strangely today both Blenhiem and Pukekohe had on course presenters but I didn't see any interviews of trainers, drivers etc etc,  i wasnt watching all day so i stanc to be corrected. so why not give them the day off for all the good they do.

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To be fair, there were comments on the Wellington Cup and I referenced KOMOCEAN missing the start,

LEICA LUCY did it well in the Desert Gold but CORNELLO got closer this time and she’s the one if they move up in trip. The front two were four lengths ahead of the others and are both decent fillies.

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4 hours ago, Palliser said:

I notice nothing has been posted about Trentham yesterday. I maybe wrong but racing appears to have gone stale in this country. Entain came in with all the bells and whistles, plied money into stakes etc which is great for owners and trainers.

But the rubbish advertising and ideas that have come from them seem to have driven race goers away. Why ? .. in my opinion what they are doing is cringeworthy and is definitely not the KIWI way.

It's really hard to watch Trackside these days as well, the mute button gets a good work out.

There was some good racing yesterday, and Sam Spratt again shone.

I'm really worried about racing continuing to become even more plastic, vanilla, and AI.

ENTAIN are going to ruin Kiwi racing

Did anyone notice Jane say at end of proceedings that was the coverage for the Melbourne Cup Carnival 2025

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30 minutes ago, stodge said:

To be fair, there were comments on the Wellington Cup and I referenced KOMOCEAN missing the start,

LEICA LUCY did it well in the Desert Gold but CORNELLO got closer this time and she’s the one if they move up in trip. The front two were four lengths ahead of the others and are both decent fillies.

It was a terrible field for a $200,000 group race. The first two were head and shoulders above the rest.

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57 minutes ago, stodge said:

To be fair, there were comments on the Wellington Cup and I referenced KOMOCEAN missing the start,

LEICA LUCY did it well in the Desert Gold but CORNELLO got closer this time and she’s the one if they move up in trip. The front two were four lengths ahead of the others and are both decent fillies.

I would be happy to stay with Leica Lucy over Cornello Stodge.  

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The trouble is Racing is just too long a day for most people, it’s slow & boring.

Even I find myself when on course bored as, having to wait 35 mins between races is just too long in a modern world.

Getting that time down to 25 mins is crucial for racings survival, yeah we know it’s a huge task but it’s not impossible.

25 mins between races, which start at 3pm in the summer & done by 6pm.

Winter start at 12 & finish at 3pm.

Gallops Friday Sat & Sun only 2 meetings each day.

 

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5 hours ago, nomates said:

Mate , NZ racing was on the downward spiral long before Entain came along .

Whatever you may think of Entain they have at least given owners some decent stakes at least in the short term .

The rest is just wrapping , if you don't like it don't listen , as you appear to be doing . The industry has far larger issues than how the TAB presents racing .

As Fred Dagg sung , trev bang on the nail.

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4 hours ago, Canterbury Man said:

Full credit to the WRC - Trentham was a show case for NZ Racing yesterday.

Great low grade racing on a track that was variable enough that every horse was suited at some stage during its race.

The drone coverage of the first 600m of the time honoured Wellington Cup was innovative.  Looking into people's backyards added a new dimension to the excitement of the horses looking to settle into position.  The only criticism would be perhaps in the future they could write the number on the back of the Jockey or horse so the punter can see where their horse has settled.

The General Admission price for the public was great value at what was it $50?  The raised concrete pad to view the race and then the "free" concert afterwards all added value to the experience.

Not to mention the world class times that were run on the Champagne Turf!

7,000 people although not quite the level of the 20,000+ that used to attend must be on the improve!

Loving the positivity .

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1 hour ago, barryb said:

The trouble is Racing is just too long a day for most people, it’s slow & boring.

Even I find myself when on course bored as, having to wait 35 mins between races is just too long in a modern world.

Getting that time down to 25 mins is crucial for racings survival, yeah we know it’s a huge task but it’s not impossible.

25 mins between races, which start at 3pm in the summer & done by 6pm.

Winter start at 12 & finish at 3pm.

Gallops Friday Sat & Sun only 2 meetings each day.

 

I think you might have some issues with the jockeys trying to get a 25 minute gap between races though 30 minutes is the norm in the UK.

The other problem is the volume of racing and allowing one race to finish before the next. In an ideal world, your Trackside type channel wants a race every 10 minutes but given what they are contractually obliged to show that’s probably not an option especially on Saturdays.

Trackside covers thoroughbred and harness as well as dogs so if you have a pace at Westport or wherever it has to have it’s time. Once the kiwi dogs are gone it will be a little easier.

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35 minutes between races is still better than what we once had. Mind you, back then there were thousands queuing for a bet on-track, and all of the tickets would have been written out by hand. At the TAB we had to bet about half a day ahead if we wanted to put on a double (l can't remember what all of the advance times were, but it's hilarious to think of it now), and everything was phoned through to betting central and dividends calculated. Seperate on-course and off-course pools. And petrol was almost free. But as you were driving around the countryside you could find a TAB in every one-horse town. These days you only need a bit of internet access 🤣

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8 hours ago, Palliser said:

But the rubbish advertising and ideas that have come from them seem to have driven race goers away. Why ? .. in my opinion what they are doing is cringeworthy and is definitely not the KIWI way.

You could be right there. Surely it would be better to try and suck people into thinking they can win by studying form to beat the book rather than trying to get people to bet on hunches.

The current economic climate doesn't help matters. A friend of mine was a big punter, but has had to give it away due to their business being put into liquidation. Another friend has given it away as they say they can't be bothered sitting there waiting until the last minute to put their bets on. Anything less than a few minutes before start time means betting into a high percentage market and basically you're going to be ripped off. The tote is obviously a complete waste of time now with tiny pools. I think the end of no deductions was the last straw for them.

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12 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

It was a terrible field for a $200,000 group race. The first two were head and shoulders above the rest.

But only half the stake of the Group 3 Wellington Cup which arguably didn't have any better rated horses.

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12 hours ago, Crow said:

Did anyone notice Jane say at end of proceedings that was the coverage for the Melbourne Cup Carnival 2025

It wasnt just once either that she said that. They went on abut the crowd coming in but it was no where near previous years. Its a carnival that is dying quietly.

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17 minutes ago, TurnipOrange said:

30 Minutes between races is easy too achieve, Jockey should be allowwd to weigh out for the 2 races ahead, Just means jockeys may need 2 saddles

30 minutes has been standard in the US for ever as well as  the UK and seems quite feasible to me. That would be a good start.

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