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CCB you are bashing people for wanting to have the option of betting offshore for their own betterment , as it is of no benefit to NZ racing . Yet just a couple of days ago you defended some of our best young horses going to Aust for their betterment , after I said it didn't help NZ racing . Which side of the fence are your nuts swinging ???

The jury's out, but the numbers simply don't stack up for me. Even the DIA warned of the risks in the RIS for the amendment but the industry and the government believed the numbers or accepted the bribe rather than questioning those. It is difficult to determine the total value of offshore online sports and racing betting but by New Zealand residents, TAB NZ estimates $180 million p/a but based on POCC figures, in 2023 the reputable online market was worth a minimum of $45 million/pa. Whatever the amount this would be the potential new revenue to TAB NZ with the monopoly if all this business were to shift to it. That's a huge unexplained discrepancy on which to base this legislation.

Spot on the money Jack!!!  I'm appreciating your posts and have hated the taste of the whole Entain scenario right from the get go. The 100 million was seen by many as a 'saviour', but for mine it represents no more than a short term sugar fix which obviously has some appeal to those putting on the show, with little to no chance of a viable return. As the man in charge, Winston apparently thinks this is all that is required for his 'fix', as I am yet to see or hear anything else that will change the current course away from the slippery slope. It's his 3rd attempt so maybe 3 times a charm?  I'd say the odds are pretty long (although quite a bit less on TAB) that he will do anything of significance.       

I'd say no. A verifiable residential address.

Racing Victoria finds $316m to deliver prizemoney changes Racing Victoria has announced a bevy of prizemoney changes for the new season. Picture: Racing Photos via Getty Images   By Gilbert Gardiner 08:09am • 10 July 2025    Victorian racing is united behind a $316m distribution of prizemoney and bonuses set to support participants from grassroots to elite levels in the upcoming 2025-26 season. Racing Victoria has managed to retain prizemoney levels year-on-year despite ongoing financial and wagering pressure. RV worked closely with partners, including Country Racing Victoria, metropolitan racing clubs and stakeholder groups for trainers, jockeys, owners and breeders, to achieve its objective through strategic reallocation of funds and internal cost savings. View All    RV chief executive Aaron Morrison has appreciated the industry-wide support and collaboration. "We understand the importance of prizemoney through the ecosystem," Morrison said. "Grassroots is just as important as the top end." Key prizemoney changes include: • 1400 country maidens, a third of all Victorian races, increased by $5000 across the board from Non-TAB ($20,000 up from $15,000) to premium ($55,000 up from $50,000); • $55,000 (day/twilight) and $60,000 (night) maidens will be programmed on midweek metropolitan cards; • Group 1 Sir Rupert Clarke Stakes and Group 1 Underwood Stakes increased from $750,000 to $1m; • Group 3 Thoroughbred Club Stakes now $1m (up from $200,000) ; • Minimum prizemoney for all Listed and Group 3 races during the Caulfield Cup, Cox Plate and Melbourne Cup carnivals to increase from $175,000 to $200,000 (Listed) and $200,000 to $240,000 (Group 3). Racing Victoria chief Aaron Morrison has raised prizemoney at the lower levels of racing. Picture: Racing Photos • Resilient hoop has milestones in sight after rejections "The prizemoney model for 2025-26 reflects a broad range of valuable submissions from our clubs and stakeholder groups whom we thank for their insights," Morrison said. "We also acknowledge the commitments from the MRC, VRC and MVRC to increase their contributions to lift prizemoney for key races next season. "Prizemoney is the lifeblood for participants and owners and provides confidence to continue to invest in Victorian racing. "At the heart of next season's prizemoney model is a strategic realignment to primarily turbo charge country maidens and to invest in flagship races that deliver maximum returns to the industry." RV has brought forward its planned scaling back of participant wellbeing and WorkCover levies – built into prizemoney – to August 1 (from February 2026) and freed up $1.4m as a result. The overall welfare contribution (3.5 per cent) from August 1 will support equine (2 per cent), jockey (1 per cent) and participant wellbeing/WorkCover (0.5 per cent) initiatives.    

And if it all goes tits up, you are a mile away and got his shoes…..😆

This response is most unhelpful. We were using the competition because the NZ TAB was largely inept. It provided poor, inaccurate or no information at all on runners, its odds were consistently unders when compared race to race with those competitors. Refer to the several posted examples of this, already on the thread. In other words The TAB lost market share to superior service, odds and information. It was they that failed the NZ racing industry, not the punters who sought and found better odds, far superior information and statistics elsewhere. Its not rocket science, it's how the Universe functions in a democracy. And those competitors contributed to the country's economy by way of taxes. Its not up to punters to donate to incompetency and greed on the premise it  "benefits NZ Racing".  The Tab has been severally managed and governed for decades by inept, almost negligent Peter Principal appointees who failed to grasp the challenge of competition and failed the industry miserably, eventually becoming a basket case. In the real world punters only obligation is to beat the book consistently and win; to take their business where the best chance of that occurring resides. In the writers case, along with many others on here, have and continue to contribute to the industry significantly as owners, breeders, racing club members and general consumers. Also, until this Neanderthal amendment bill off of the back of a shameful bribe, removed all competition, as significant punters. But no more from me whilst there is none of the later. So It's best therefore not to assume anything until at least walking a mile in that persons shoes.

Maybe a post office box😁

saw it happen. was riding without a helmet and doing wheelies and decided to run a red light. entirely preventable. 

I should say that will be so at a minimum. It remains to be seen what overseas bookies will require and what the DIA will regard as reasonable in their efforts to not take bets from NZ residents. Seems like more questions than answers on this at this point.