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  1. Had a bit to do with Lion Breweries and their Auckland Cup sponsorship. Having the Auckland Trotting Cup on New Years Eve and the ARC on New Years Day was a fixed calendar event for many, particularly from the South Island who would holiday up here for a week or two with family and friends, and both events were hugely successful. Once the dates chopped and changed they didn’t fit in with usual holiday travel plans and people were confused as to what was on when….hardly surprising then that interest started to drop off. The ATC learned from their error, it will be interesting to see if the ARC do likewise.
    4 points
  2. Tasman Man You have got to be kidding. The fundamentals of the industry is to benchmark the merits of the horse populations’ ability so that we can peg the financial viability of the industry. That means race horses, stallions, mares, trainers and jockeys. To lose yet another group one race is inexcusable and for it to be the Auckland Cup, even worse. how can anyone let this happen? It was on New Years Day. It drew crowds and had prestige. Moved to March and we’re told it wouldn’t work as the pattern got screwed. For fucks sake. You people in the NZTR….get off your backsides and fight for this one. Change the game. Be courageous. Take the fight to the system and show us you have some leadership skills and ambition. No wonder I was rejected as a potential NZTR member. I applied and didn’t even get an interview which goes to show how protective of their failure model is.
    4 points
  3. AND IN THIS CURRENT DELTA OUTBREAK, THE SOUTH ISLAND HAS HAD HOW MANY CASES??? RULING BY MISINFORMTION AND FEAR. DISGRACEFUL, ESPECIALLY GIVEN ITS MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS WEEK. WELL DONE TO OUR REACTIONARY PM AND HER BOOT LICKERS!!!!
    3 points
  4. It is only 4.05 am here in Cubeville and your post made The Cubemeister smile Go buy a powerball ticket or somesuch Good things come to whom that wait And cream rises to the top Peter R S .......award for perservance
    3 points
  5. Baz (NZ)

    EDIT (NZ)

    Former Kiwi galloper EDIT (NZ) by Swiss Ace has won impressively fresh up today at Tamworth. Having not raced since finishing 4th over 1500m at Ellerslie on Boxing day... he cut out today's 1200m trip in 1:08.89. I'm not sure what times they usually run at Tamworth but that looks to be a fairly slick run on paper?? Could be one to watch over Spring in Oz?
    3 points
  6. Been there, tried that, ran 2nd from barrier 6. The winner drew the outside!
    3 points
  7. Had the odd interaction with the Police have we Archer
    2 points
  8. I’m not sure the demise of domestic racing is that simple It’s a bit like a Venn diagram, if failure ( the diminished quality of group racing ) is at the centre the contributing factors are numerous. NZ’s don’t bet so there’s no fuel for the engine The RIU investigative division has tarnished the racing brand so much with their chicanery, mind you I’m living in hope that Mike Clements might bring the word “ Integrity “ back into the RIU The handicapping model is totally inappropriate for this country and it’s forcing useful / decent horses out of the game far too soon We actually have too much of everything and could do with a huge rationalization of assets That said I do admire the passionate commitment of some, Peter Vela and NZB, Tasman Man is a beauty, Cubes in the south, Berrifruit and his delightful eccentricity, and the amazingly resilient breeders who just keep on keeping on. Then of course there’s the lure of actually getting involved, not just being a sideline critic as most here are…..and there’s no rush like owning a good one. That rush is never going to go away so I’m sure racing in NZ will survive well beyond every single one of us
    2 points
  9. There used to be a pattern. It was set up over a century ago where a sequence of races starting at the beginning of the year set up the Auckland Cup to test a horse over 3200m. That pattern included a number of staying races in both the north and south islands, where the "south island championship" was the New Zealand Cup. Along the way the likes of the Waikato and Avondale Cups made up some of those races. Not that long ago there were good horses in those races and the Auckland Cup. The Auckland Cup was looked upon across the ditch as a great indicator to the Melbourne Cup!! What has happened over this time. Staying races in this country are 2200m races and we don't have the staying races for younger horses. We can't compete with the Aussies over the shorter distances, so what we do?....reduce our distance program to the scrap heap. I know I've got to post some figures on staying races and numbers in races (forgot to follow up with my UK compatriots), and I will in due course, but we've become a sycophantically run nothing. We have no direction, no strategy, no real leadership and as a result, we have become nothing. I'm actually sick of it. I used to have shares in 15, now only three. Everywhere I look I see mediocrity and complacency. Losing group one status for the Auckland Cup is the fault of all of those useless bureaucrats who have been in charge for the past 5 years. That's when the warning came and no-one has fought for it, become courageous and brave to fight the cause, or intelligent enough to figure out what to do to make sure the race didn't fall between the cracks. And if any of you argue against this, go and find the same heap all the other useless people should have been put on. This is a disgrace. Wouldn't happen in Sydney or Victoria.
    2 points
  10. And Luk Chin was fined $200. Beats me (no pun sorry)
    2 points
  11. NZ has too many pattern races (aka black type) as a percentage of its total race population. It is 6% compared to desired international of 5%. So effectively we have roughly another 20% races to be removed. NZ has 150 black type races and that should be aboout 125. However the fly in the ointment is that our horse population is shrinking fast, 600 hundred less foals last year and more horses sold overseas (especially one winners). So our horse population will need less races, this means that suddenly that 125 desired number might become100. To meet overseas markets we are breeding more sprinter-milers rather than stayers. So the Auckland Club quality naturally reduces too. NZ racing ratings are tied to international ratings but done in NZ and these are the basis for pattern racing ratings (based on top 4 finishers ratings at end of season). However if the World Ratings are to be used for our pattern racing ratings then you will see number of group 1s, 2s dissapear fast. NZ breeders (and rightfully so) like to throw statistics around like with 5% of horses in Australia we win 20% of black type. These seems great on face of it, however horses that go to Australia are above average (brought at K1, brought as a trial or race performer, or campaigned as a good horse). I would say European horses would be less than 1% of population and win over 10% of black type races. My statistics are done here to show a point rather than total fact (but they will be close enough). The Auckland merger is our one shining light!!
    2 points
  12. Memphis3

    We beat the Boks

    Yippee we knocked off the world champs although in an ugly game. Just saying. I know most people on here are more interested in whinging about politics and Covid protocols so I wonder if anyone watched it.
    1 point
  13. Since beginning racing 2 seasons ago, my 6yo gelding has been plagued by bad draws. Are these the worst of all time? From the first start 14/14 11/11 8/11 9/13 5/13 12/12 5/13 a win! 13/16 12/17 14/14 7/12 10/14 8/15 7/11 13/13 6/14 8/12 another win! 7/12 12/12 14/14 It's getting desperate, but what can I do?
    1 point
  14. Gruff

    We beat the Boks

    I broke up 5 hours on Studying immune response to watch . May of been an ugly game but still satisfied strangely regardless of the late penalty. The fact we face this gritty stop start style of Rugby again this week actually has me looking forward to the re match,particularly from a strategists perspective .Remove the Safs lucky first try and this game is turned on its ear, one thing is guaranteed and thats an overs All black win .
    1 point
  15. “NZ’s don’t bet so there’s no fuel for the engine” Betting on races right now is a spluttering engine. This latest lockdown environment appears to have created a permanent “correction” to the TAB’s weekly racing turnover and therefore a significantly reduced annual gross margin. Summed up well Leo. Racing here in all 3 codes will endure, however never to be run with competency at a legislative/governance level nor efficiency at an operational level. There’s forever been that $50m plus of costs in the industry that some would pluck from the low hanging branches however we have excess red tape wrapped around it all. Can’t see that changing in our life….
    1 point
  16. How are they going to police that, since most of the pigs ain't vaccinated ....
    1 point
  17. Take him to Whanganui mid winter. It’s beneficial to be wide. They come down the outside rail in the straight . But honestly you’ve had a poor run alright Ask any good jockey and he will take one all day.
    1 point
  18. It was in response to your off-topic post. I stated only one fact, and it was not incorrect. Thanks for your input though.
    1 point
  19. you didn't seem to have a problem veering away from the topic until your "facts" were proven to not be correct........
    1 point
  20. Was the change from New Years Day as a result of the Deloitte / Arthur Anderson Report that lead up to the decision to change the day of this Race? Those Reports and related surveys on Racegoers need to see Sunlight to have Open Conversations how to improve our industry. The lead up discussion and change of dates originated in the early 2000 era. I recall the reasoning behind it was because, 'People don't stay in Auckland after Boxing Day Races' - they are the words we were quoted by one of those on the ARC Board at the time and were mortified. I'm sure they are eating their socks now they are restricted with travel.... maybe they will see the error of their own short-sighted and selfish thinking Once again @Berri you raise very relevant points. With the change to March, along with the change to a later date for The Great Northern from Public Holiday weekends to random dates when people were not about it was because they aimed at the Corporate sector to have a day out from the office to drink and party. How many of those people are about now or have spare dosh? Those who were behind the date changes, as per reason we were quoted, people lack of knowledge of the wider industry has resulted in the Racing industry losing a lot of it's traditional supporters, including the mums and dads who have children looking for affordable entertainment in Auckland who stayed in Auckland for whatever reason. These children are are future in Racing. We are aware the Breweries were in part behind these changes to line there own pockets through our connections with those at Lion Breweries Marketing team who knew ZILCH about Racing. It annoyed us then and it annoys us even more now seeing the 'consequences' and lack of accountability of these NON Racing types who probably have probably never attended a day at the Races since. They are the same ones who are involved in Sponsorship dollars and partying with America's Cup and probably know stuff all about that to.
    1 point
  21. Uriah Heap

    Trump written off

    I would never click on any link you post 6xes. It's likely to take me to some virus laden, anti-vax, Trump loving, election conspiracy supporting, Bible Basher from the backwoods of Arkansas.
    1 point
  22. eljay

    We beat the Boks

    Wanted by N.Z. Rugby!! BRAINS
    1 point
  23. I don't find this surprising at all. The caliber of horse in the Auckland Cup over the past ten years doesn't warrant it remaining a Group One race, pure and simple. The date of the race would make no difference.
    1 point
  24. Uriah Heap

    We beat the Boks

    You know me, I do try to put a positive spin on things, especially rugby which I am very fond of. However......... This was the most turgid, mind numbing dross imaginable and I take my hat off to you Memphis in that you manage to find some small enjoyment in viewing the game. For mine, by the end I barely cared who won. It might be "Test Match rugby" and might be what wins World Cups, but if they keep feeding us this up, there will soon be no one watching Test Match Rugby or wanting to play the game in this country. By way of contrast I was lucky enough to watch an age grade Rep rugby game on Saturday afternoon, which was one hundred times superior. I was further fortunate that following the Rugby Test Match came the AFL Grand Final, with all it's non-stop flow and excitement. Chalk and Cheese compared to the Rugby.
    1 point
  25. which would surely be 2018/19....and the number there was 34,000........that's the problem with you head wearers of tinfoil...you seem to prefer "alternative facts" to the real ones
    1 point
  26. Trump was responsible for the ‘Vaccines’ through Operation Warp Speed and was told by Fauci the Virus was nothing to worry about, the Seasonal Flu is more of a concern ’ Appreciate a response Mighty but unfortunately there is significant information not allowed for ,the most obvious being who exactly are being included in this US Death count ? The other is the huge number of auto immune diseases the Vaccine is creating on top of the fact Vaers numbers have historically been seriously under reported.People don’t normally even consider a vaccine could be responsible for death or injury because of how safe and effective experts claim they are We have had ‘Delta’ released into our communities from isolation previously with ZERO consequence , and now we have 1,000 so called cases of the most deadly contagious disease we have ever seen in our most populous City in our supposedly most prone group of Pacific Islanders and Maori and seen one 91 year co morbid deceased.. more people have died here from ‘a safe and efficacious vaccine’ than the disease 40 to 27 and they claim these can’t be proven They need everyone Vaxxed up to try and cover the fact unvaxxed people will have more robust immunity .. to force vaccines on people already claimed to be Covid positive and recovered is utter insanity and given this would easily be 95% of the population on known figures Adern has done nothing, these ‘security ‘ measures have been terribly managed and these lockdowns are creating far more mental issues as well as economic. Masks DO NOT WORK so how is this ‘virus’ not replicating . They are turning a blind eye to PROVEN therapeutics and in the face of numerous Studies by leaders in their fields . Nothing to see here but Fraud
    1 point
  27. I chose the most recent year unaffected by Covid, actually....
    1 point
  28. chevy86

    Trump written off

    That is what is SO frightening, YOUR reality.-- Biden, Harris, the Squad, BLM, Pelosi, Schummer, Schiff, Antifa, Chairman Dan, Ardern ,Mahuta, -----
    1 point
  29. Will be plenty more to follow too...ever since they moved it and changed the conditions of the race it has gone downhill in my opinion.its like moving the Easter handicap from easter.Makes no sense.
    1 point
  30. its the crown(corona) of oppression plain and simple everyone is feeling the effects, in every industry and every part of life and although people feel the effects... some people are completely oblivious to the source from which it originates!! (Revelation 12:3)
    1 point
  31. 8,000 people die everyday in the US. You can throw numbers and stats around until the Cows come home. From what we are hearing of the 1,220 deaths in Oz from the very understated 100,000 cases the average age of death is 85.... Australian life expectancy is 83.64... Highly Contagious and Deadly Tom isnt a healthy individual and he’s got Delta, given what we’re told he shouldn’t be around to worry about paying the fine or Suspension But what we are told isnt the full truth .
    1 point
  32. 61,000 people died of influenza in the US in the 2017-2018 season. (pre-covid) In comparison to those figures, there isn't much difference.
    1 point
  33. Tony

    Welfare Contribution

    I notice that NZTR continue to put GST on the 1% Welfare Contribution. The Welfare Contribution is neither a Goods or a Service and most owners would not be able to claim it back. I know that the Owners Federation has brought this up with NZTR but to no avail. Why NZTR just don't take the 1% out of the total stake to begin with like Australia do is beyond me. Instead they have gone for a very complicated and long winded approach that takes more money out of owners pockets. I guess that when the people setting up the system don't participate in Horse Ownership then they are not going to worry how much comes out.
    1 point
  34. Idolmite

    Trump written off

    I'm not a fan of them either. Between the two countries we are really spoilt for choice at the moment. And the choices are ALL bad. Is Trump the worst of two evils? I say yes, because he has made blatant and continual lying acceptable. He can't help himself. You can't even allege he made it an art form, because he doesn't even try to hide it. He's not clever enough. Having a compulsive liar as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world - although even that is in dispute after only 4 years at the helm - is hardly a good thing. He wanted to be a dictator, like his buddies Putin, Kim Jong-un and Xi Jingping, but all he could manage was being a Dick. And a bit of a potato, so maybe the title "DickTata" does suit him. He wasn't there for "we the people", he was only there for Donald Trump. That is the only reason he's ever done anything in his entire life.
    0 points
  35. And the Easter Handicap has gone down to Group 3 as a result……
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