Iraklis

Hey there Blue, here's how I'm hopin it'll go for The Belle and I'm not all that sure she'll lead? if she gets cover then lookout, she got speed to spare has our Belle and on the pace with cover whoar she'll be hard to roll, she's come back from aus a tougher customer, and it's gunna be hard for me (in the who to cheer for dept) cos I reckon one of me fav stable runners will lead leavin the Belle hopefully with the drop on em, if that happens you'll hear me yellin from Auks......sorry AllStars I gotta yell for the NI girls (but if they can't do it I'll be yellin AllStars hard), Havtime aint no slouch either be interestin to see where she ends up in the runnin..... GOOOOO!!!! THE BELLE!!!!! ANNNNDDD, GOOOOOO!!!! THE MIGHTY ALLSTARS FOR THE DAY!!!!! Cheers Iraklis

So Mick are you sayin that using it to spray into lungs to help with the healin bleedin issue's is somehow usin the horses own serum to get away with somethin? what exactly? as any kind of performance enhancin additives would be picked up!......that aside, the pourin of the red blood cells down the sink on The Boxseat, a programme aired on Trackside TV; with two vets and all of the professionals involved in the makin of the article for all to see, was somehow laughable because? I mean, do you really think all involved in the makin of the article, would throw their reputations on the line that way for the sake of, ahh, what exactly? the programme was watched by a shitload of people all over, not just here in NZ; seriously......what I am sayin is, if anyone out there has concrete proof of the misuse of this treatment then lets see it! Jack has made allusions to it in several posts not only recently but sometime ago when this subject was brought up.....soooo lets see it! surmisin and or assumin somethin is happenin as opposed to actually seein it or havin proof of it, doesn't make it true my friend, and just because someone can't get, or use the treatment doesn't mean it's somehow bogus and or wrongful to use, and if they do they're some how gainin a performance advantage (only advantage I can see is faster healing of a horse so it can get back to doin what it does best), and the treatment is about to cause all this harm to the industry....... Cheers Iraklis

WhataP, it is in Jacks own mind alone the performance enhancin, and if you refer back to what the vet (Lindsay) actually said 'she doesn't see any benefits in using treatment as a pre race treatment, it's more post race' remember, the performance enhancing part of the blood is poured down the drain, and to lung performance the reference was to bleeders on both occassions......and if as you say in Jacks defence there's no hateful comments etc then what would you call continued ref to this products performance enhancing capabilities and its use in the manner he has? even after he had his questions answered.... Jack, your continued reference to its use and the products ability 'to skew the playin field' something you have alluded to from the beginning, when clearly 2 vets have attested to otherwise tells me and others that your the one with the clouded comprehension, and it's gettin bloody silly! Lee answered your questions above, right! but still you comeback with the pithy 'You may not have "personally treated" any Manawatu runners but you'd have to be happy with 8/14! It speaks volumes for ACS's "ability to skew the playing field"! if that aint an allusion to the product being used to somehow performance enhance then I'll eat my hat.....but in your statement 'This treatment is a disaster for the industry. But who can blame the opportunists for jumping on it. What it's doing is driving the wedge between the elite stables and the average stables even wider, which will force more people from the game. Effectively what it's doing is saying to the already struggling owners and trainers that "you need to folk out another grand for this or fall even further off the pace". there in, we now can see the crux of your argument, whats really behind your gripin and snipin... Once again I say it is NOT just a treatment for the elite alone! clearly you did not hear that part of the programme! (it was stated twice once by MickG and OConnor) it is for everyone and anyone out there in the performance horse industry! you're jumpin at shadows cos you can't afford it, and or your just jealous of those who can, gimme a break!....your not even thinkin of the benefits of a natural product produced by the horse itself, who's feelin it's joints etc or strugglin with bleedin etc.....don't knock it til you've tried it mate Cheers Iraklis

Agree Amati Sweet On Me will be tested from her draw but I reckon she'll be ok, and in all the rest races draws will test a few, it's gunna be great days racin..... Cheers Iraklis

Woohoo!!!! gooooo!!!! The Belle! she copped best draw for the Jewels go Bazza and the team yussss!!!!! Cheers Iraklis

Oh knock it off Jack! you're startin to allude to things (You may not have "personally treated" any Manawatu runners but you'd have to be happy with 8/14! It speaks volumes for ACS's "ability to skew the playing field"!) that with out any proof of, you need to keep to yourself! Lee answered your queries, which to me he didn't really need to as over previous posts sometime ago he has published answers to most; if you don't like his answers, seek answers elsewhere! you are the only one questioning treatments use, even after BoxSeat programme aired, I believe it wouldn't matter what is said as you are want to find fault no matter if no fault exists ie. worryin if there was nuthin to worry about syndrome......if you got proof of any kind of wrong doin, then publish it mate! cos you're startin to sound hateful! and fixated yourself, give over already....... Cheers Iraklis

Actually JJ has some good advice for yuh Jack, why don't you contact someone who can answer your queries, to your satisfaction; because as far as I can see Lee has done his best with you, that said if you 'know' just what your talkin about then why are you askin Lee? methinks your still tryin to make summit outta nuthin......I mean, 'you too can use this product' so why don't you try it before you knock it? as the product is legal and not performance enhancing I can't for the life of me see what yuh problem really is with it? and or Lee? and I don't blame Lee one bit for askin who you really are cos it's startin look and sound alittle weird mate etc etc..... Cheers Iraklis

Kool news Timbo, DD is very talented it won't take him long good for him..... Cheers Iraklis

Hey, hey, I'm back online (computer issues) at last, did yahs miss me Mick mate I am fully aware that injectin red blood cells is illegal, but as they are thrown out and only the serum that has been produced by the horse itself, is kept and used, how can it be 'artificial' that was my point, autologus as was pointed out in article is 'of the horse' itself..... JL no boat missed here buddy, as personally I'm not sure the article was edited, you're assuming it was, just sayin, when weather up here in Auks is bad bloody Sky reception is fricken terrible and we get interfence, blips and clicks all the time, I just took it as one of those moments it wasn't til I read here and saw someone had mentioned editing, to which I replied I have experience in editing and it's bloody hard to do to stitch to words in a conversation (as after takin part of it out, you have to look for another area to match said conversation to be able to make stitch), however if it was edited, then I believe it to be really crap editing....and I still have both versions of the article 1&2 with glitch, and have re-watched it numerous times..... The treatment is legal! it is available to all, so what's the problem? it aint like treatment is locked down for only a select few, is it? it is widely available to all, perhaps those naysayers should just try it, then let us all know in here how they found it? as Tim says much ado bout nuthin..... Cheers Iraklis

Point is Jack mate, 'it aint artificial' and it is of the horses own blood! you saw it for yourself! and if you carried those points/quotes you have listed above on, to include the rest of those sentences, you would come up with a totally different understanding......thus answerin all of your unfounded suspicions geez you're a bloody funny guy LOL Cheers Iraklis

gazza, and you would be wrong! both those athletes you mentioned had been supposedly runnin on 'artificial' products! ie. not produced in their own blood, there is a vast difference....dohh JL, not sure we were watchin same programme, no screech just 'blink' and conversation/interview carries on...(vet speakin) 'you have to give it one clear day a(blink)head of time' and she goes on explain its uses fully includin the anti-inflammatory portion of article.....personally didn't think it was editin, it would have to be the roughest I've seen, good editing you can't see the blink; I just thought it was Sky's normal service hiccups..... Jack, your green eyed monster has reared its ugly head, again...just sayin Ok, that said, this treatment is available to all, right! anyone can use it; it's not like it's performance enhancing, and illegal, and not only available to a very select few, anyone with an issue in their horse can use it! so what's really the problem here? The programme was there to debunk and inform, I believe it did just that...... Cheers Iraklis

Oh come on you two guys is that all yuh got? have a bleat about 'editing' (I've worked on videos, mostly wedding and birthdays editin out certain swear words etc and it is bloody hard to get it just right to where the sentence carries on mid word like that, no matter how shit hot your software is, seriously) hey for all the jumpin up down about ACS and its use there of, it is still 'legal' so why the hell you don't just go out and get it done for your horses? ahh, it's available to all! it isn't on lock for a select few, and that's the point, for all those naysayers I ask what really is behind your gripin and snipin? anyone can get this treatment for their horses; one thing it did point out, again, is it has to be used with one clear day before racin, so usin it on horse just before racin isn't/can't be done......this BoxSeat report has for me debunked alot, as I'm sure it has for alot of others (perhaps in a few much to their chagrin), and as a natural healing agent for the performance horse available to all, what helps a racehorse be able to race at it best, and continue to do so has gotta be good for em, and for us who get to enjoy seein em racin and kickin ass... Cheers Iraklis

Kool Rusty mate, tah fricken heaps for that Cheers Iraklis

U May Collect, I hope like fury he stays sound, and keeps on his winnin ways, and maybe just maybe hullo NZ Cup reckon the guns will have their work cutout, and at very least he could prove a fricken headache for em all, it's like right now he's runnin for the fun of it, come Nov they'll know he's in it for sure, fingers crossed for him.....to his connections, enjoy enjoy enjoy guys he's doin yuhs proud.... Cheers Iraklis

Oh bugga it! I loved their site it was informative, and at least I knew where to go to if I wanted to get my dose of AllStars guns racin and the photos of their AllStar racers were bloody magic.....mind you I don't blame em given the amount of rubbish they get from those naysayers etc.....NUTS!!!! Cheers Iraklis