Another Meeting Abandoned.

[scooby3051 12,366]

Seems it happens so much these days its not even mentioned...we really are a joke horses slipping on a slow 7...really...you really have to ask yourself WTF is going on....but nothing will change as NOBODY is ever held accountable...they will come out some bullshit platitudes report and then back to business as normal.

[nomates 4,979]

15 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Seems it happens so much these days its not even mentioned...we really are a joke horses slipping on a slow 7...really...you really have to ask yourself WTF is going on....but nothing will change as NOBODY is ever held accountable...they will come out some bullshit platitudes report and then back to business as normal.

Rinse and repeat the last abandonment statement .

Seriously if you can't prepare a safe track at this time of the year then you shouldn't have a job .

The biggest issue for me is that they are all trying to produce a billiard table .

If you asked them to produce a cow paddock they would f@#k it up .

[nomates 4,979]

Well the complete lack of response on here shows that NZTR have won the battle , the apathy towards just another abandonment is exactly what was required from participants and supporters for them to continue to run this industry into the ground for the average participant .

They have become such a common and run of the mill occurrences that we now just shrug our shoulders and put our shoulders back to the grind stone , just another day at the office .

This is not a dig at us for not commenting , it gets to a point where you think why waste breath on it , more important things to be trying to fix .

Well done NZTR , poor practice has become acceptable .

 

[scooby3051 12,366]

100% agree NM...they have got their wish...status quo is fine nobody cares.

[canon47 111]

 Beyond my expertise however a mate at our local asked me Could it have something to do with the type and fitting of the horses race day shoes , He said he noticed (owns a few) that the nail heads dont appear to protrude out as much like they did in the old days 

[Leggy 4,193]

8 minutes ago, canon47 said:

 Beyond my expertise however a mate at our local asked me Could it have something to do with the type and fitting of the horses race day shoes , He said he noticed (owns a few) that the nail heads dont appear to protrude out as much like they did in the old days 

Full racing Plates by not less than 5 (five)
nails; with nails placed and clinched. No
projections shall be permitted other than
nail heads which must not protrude more
than 2mm from the surface of the racing
Plate or Tip

[nomates 4,979]

8 minutes ago, canon47 said:

 Beyond my expertise however a mate at our local asked me Could it have something to do with the type and fitting of the horses race day shoes , He said he noticed (owns a few) that the nail heads dont appear to protrude out as much like they did in the old days 

Might , maybe , on a firm track it might make a difference but when the track is a S7 and the horses are going into it that wouldn't have an effect .

This about preparation . 

[scooby3051 12,366]

I just can't believe a Slow 7 needed to be abandoned what next a Heavy 10!!!!! It never ends.

[ADM 236]

Just sold our horse to Aussie, was in two minds but yesterday confirmed we have done the right thing

[We're Doomed 5,562]

4 hours ago, nomates said:

Well the complete lack of response on here shows that NZTR have won the battle , the apathy towards just another abandonment is exactly what was required from participants and supporters for them to continue to run this industry into the ground for the average participant .

They have become such a common and run of the mill occurrences that we now just shrug our shoulders and put our shoulders back to the grind stone , just another day at the office .

This is not a dig at us for not commenting , it gets to a point where you think why waste breath on it , more important things to be trying to fix .

Well done NZTR , poor practice has become acceptable .

 

I was going to say much the same myself, but I just thought what's the point, no one seems to care anymore.

[nomates 4,979]

It's called ambivalence .

1 minute ago, We're Doomed said:

I was going to say much the same myself, but I just thought what's the point, no one seems to care anymore.

 

[We're Doomed 5,562]

There are several aspects to yesterday's abandonment that no one seems to notice, or perhaps people have just given up.

I had a look at the meeting a few days ago and noticed there were about 55 Canty horses heading south. To race for $17,000. And they weren't going there for easier competition, they were basically going to race against the same horses they would race against in Canty. And they have a local meeting coming up this week, but of course that is on the AWT. And most of those Canty horses would have returned home without a race.

It is 5 hours from ChCh to Wingatui. 3.5 hours from Canty to Blenheim, 4.5 hours from Matamata to Wairoa. Blenheim and Wairoa were wiped out because it is considered too far for horses to travel. But no problem driving 5 hours to Wingatui to race for $17,000 in the winter.

Canty trainers obviously want a grass track meeting at this time of year, but NZTR refuse to schedule one because of their bloody minded arrogance.

The big thing though, is that the trainers don't seem to care. They don't seem to care about abandoned meetings or about having to drive 5 hours for a low key meeting. Perhaps they do care, but do all of their complaining to NZTR behind closed doors. If that has been their approach it doesn't seem to be working and perhaps they should be going public with their concerns.

Meanwhile most of the rating 65 milers that missed out on a start yesterday will miss out again this week. Poor bloody owners. 

4 and 6 horse fields at Puke and Trentham for $45,000 and $40,000. Is the cunning plan to get the southerners to head north if they want a start?

[nomates 4,979]

You need to stop caring because they don't . You'll just give yourself a headache .

I simply don't give a F#$K anymore , take what I can over the next year or so then done .

I just consider myself lucky that I got to be a part of and get to see some of the best racing period in our history .

Unfortunately many , especially the younger ones know nothing better than the "1984" regime of racing .

[We're Doomed 5,562]

34 minutes ago, nomates said:

You need to stop caring because they don't . You'll just give yourself a headache .

I simply don't give a F#$K anymore , take what I can over the next year or so then done .

I just consider myself lucky that I got to be a part of and get to see some of the best racing period in our history .

Unfortunately many , especially the younger ones know nothing better than the "1984" regime of racing .

When you see the way they are pissing away all the Entain money it makes you sick to think what they will do when they get their wish and get to sell off Avondale.

You have to admire Hokitika who were sensible enough to see what was coming and made a sensible decision.

[We're Doomed 5,562]

I suppose the next thing to consider is next week's meeting at Wingatui. Will they go ahead with the next meeting or should it be transferred to Oamaru? Also, two maidens abandoned yesterday, no maidens programmed next week. Will they have the intelligence to add two maidens to next week's programme regardless of where it is held? You can never anticipate anything with this lot.

[Shad 1,629]

6 hours ago, ADM said:

Just sold our horse to Aussie, was in two minds but yesterday confirmed we have done the right thing

Can't beat the cash in the bank, not easy to win races over there, you'll be able watch on with interest. 

[Palliser 1,146]

I can't remember who it was on Trackside, but they said the positive is they have a few weeks to get the track right for the next meeting... W.T.F .. how about getting right before all meetings. But hey don't worry Entain will fix everything. Mark my words Cameron Rodger will stuff everything.

[stodge 2,346]

IF I were running NZ racing (and it's only a matter of time), the first question I'd ask is who owns the product.

Over here, while the British Horseracing Authority exercises a regulatory function (and does it well), racing is run by a triumvirate of the racecourses, the media providers and the horsemen (owners, trainers, jockeys).

It is in all their interests as much racing happens as possible and our problem is we have too much racing - the courses want to race so they can sell the media rights to the bookmakers and the specialist racing channels who beam it to shops, homes and onto devices so people can bet. The Horsemen like more races because it means income for owners, trainers and jockeys.

Recently, the Sunday evening racing trial was stopped but only because that was deemed too much by the Horsemen and didn't raise enough betting turnover for the bookmakers and media rights providers - the racecourses were isolated and had to back down.

That's your business model - the Clubs get together and act as one voice. They work up the fixture list with the horsemen by region and by race type so everyone gets the kind of races they need when they need them and then get a media rights deal in place to sell the product to TAB for use worldwide (I realise there won't be many takers in the UK at 3am for racing from Wingatui but they show South American racing so why not?)

[JJ Flash 2,466]

On 5/25/2024 at 9:48 AM, scooby3051 said:

I just can't believe a Slow 7 needed to be abandoned what next a Heavy 10!!!!! It never ends.

It would appear that 1 horse slipped and that means  pulling the plug with todays H and S  rules. Yes its easy to blame NZTR and the Club but Stewards have no choice. If they choose to continue racing and an accident happened then all hell would break loose. 

In days gone by the stewards would ask if anyone wanted to stand down they could and replacement riders found. Saw it many times in summer when a shower hit  an unirrigated track. But that is no longer an option these days.

[scooby3051 12,366]

You are missing the point it means the track was not prepared properly in the first place otherwise horses would not slip...yes agree stewards when it gets to that stage have no choice but why does it keep getting to that stage its a joke.

[We're Doomed 5,562]

8 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

You are missing the point it means the track was not prepared properly in the first place otherwise horses would not slip...yes agree stewards when it gets to that stage have no choice but why does it keep getting to that stage its a joke.

The incredible thing is that it is all of the top tier tracks, Ellerslie, Awapuni, HB, Trentham, Riccarton, Wingatui, the ones that have had all of the money spent on them at the expense of the lesser tracks that have to keep coming to the rescue. Of the top tracks, Te Rapa seems to be the only one that hasn't had an abandonment.

[Pam Robson 1,800]

On 5/25/2024 at 8:53 AM, nomates said:

Well the complete lack of response on here shows that NZTR have won the battle , the apathy towards just another abandonment is exactly what was required from participants and supporters for them to continue to run this industry into the ground for the average participant .

They have become such a common and run of the mill occurrences that we now just shrug our shoulders and put our shoulders back to the grind stone , just another day at the office .

This is not a dig at us for not commenting , it gets to a point where you think why waste breath on it , more important things to be trying to fix .

Well done NZTR , poor practice has become acceptable .

 

Just be aware that people can be held VERY accountable for adverse comments in public, to the point that many just aren't prepared to risk consequences.

And an attempt to get some acknowledgment that things must, and will, change, from H.Q is met with [ as aptly termed ]  a rinse-and-repeat of the same old.

[JJ Flash 2,466]

8 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

You are missing the point it means the track was not prepared properly in the first place otherwise horses would not slip...

Now while you may be 100% correct re Track prep  riders and horses could also be the issue  in this instance.

They ran  previous races without any issues then one slipping  incident occurred. Seems to me to be a statistical anomaly. JMO

[coro fan 116]

On 5/25/2024 at 1:49 PM, We're Doomed said:

There are several aspects to yesterday's abandonment that no one seems to notice, or perhaps people have just given up.

I had a look at the meeting a few days ago and noticed there were about 55 Canty horses heading south. To race for $17,000. And they weren't going there for easier competition, they were basically going to race against the same horses they would race against in Canty. And they have a local meeting coming up this week, but of course that is on the AWT. And most of those Canty horses would have returned home without a race.

It is 5 hours from ChCh to Wingatui. 3.5 hours from Canty to Blenheim, 4.5 hours from Matamata to Wairoa. Blenheim and Wairoa were wiped out because it is considered too far for horses to travel. But no problem driving 5 hours to Wingatui to race for $17,000 in the winter.

Canty trainers obviously want a grass track meeting at this time of year, but NZTR refuse to schedule one because of their bloody minded arrogance.

The big thing though, is that the trainers don't seem to care. They don't seem to care about abandoned meetings or about having to drive 5 hours for a low key meeting. Perhaps they do care, but do all of their complaining to NZTR behind closed doors. If that has been their approach it doesn't seem to be working and perhaps they should be going public with their concerns.

Meanwhile most of the rating 65 milers that missed out on a start yesterday will miss out again this week. Poor bloody owners. 

4 and 6 horse fields at Puke and Trentham for $45,000 and $40,000. Is the cunning plan to get the southerners to head north if they want a start?

Shame they don’t use Timaru more………

[Pete Lane 1,196]

Timaru this time.