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Disgusted by NZ Herald article on upcoming apprentice

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this article was bought to my attention today on Wiremu Pinn. How does this article shed a positive light on Racing at all, we are supposed to be encouraging young people to get involved in the industry but all they ever seem to get is knocked and ridiculed. 

Anyone who has spent time in the racing industry will know it’s not an easy game, especially for kids so rather than bringing up the boys past which is not anyone else but his own business, why don’t we encourage not only Wiremu to continue on his success and help shape him into a role model for aspiring young jockeys. Media needs to help encourage young people in the game to excel and advance in the industry as they are the future of racing, not bring them down and bring up a checkered past when life moves forward not backwards.

Wiremu is a pleasant young man who has had a tough past but is making the most of every opportunity on the track to build a successful career for himself and create a good lifestyle for his young family. He’s in capable hands with Mr Sharrock and long may his success continue. 

 

 

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No name on the article but it's not a bad one. You have to work to be successful, that is true of any occupation.

Pinn has started with a hiss and a roar, so is attracting attention. Noel Harris clearly recognised his ability, and Alan Sharrock is just the bloke to make sure he makes the most of it. No doubt he has had a word with him about a couple of his rides today.

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Who writes this rubbish? 

Personally I am disgusted by this article, Wiremu is a humble young man, who yes, has gone through his share of hardships in life prior to racing. 

As far as I am aware, he is focusing on his career and making the most of the opportunities given to him for his young family who are still further north. 

Why would any young rider with talent want to be in the industry when all that the media can mention of them is negative and not relevant to who they are today, it drives them away, and for someone who only had the chance to be involved with horses and racing due the the premature death of their best mate (as previously reported) isn’t this the last kind of article the need to see regardless of their past which is slightly chequered. 

Happy to see this young man in the more than capable hands of Allan Sharrock, not only because he will only grow as a rider, horseman and all round person during his time there. 

Absolutely disgusted, and NZHerald be expecting and email of my complaint in the morning. Such a shame they would rather focus on Wiremus past which he is trying to leave there, and not the present or the future in which is he is very focused on to create the best life for his young family.

 

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8 minutes ago, puha said:

Whys it disgusting ? I actually enjoyed the article and insight into the Aussie jockeys mentioned.

Because knowing Wiremu Pinn, a lot of assumptions have been made in this article. 

Isnt this industry crying out for young people to be involved? Young ones don’t cope with criticism too well, and this is harsh and unnecessary. And I doubt very much anyone would want to read this about themselves, and be compared to having an attitude like Josh Parr’s.

Why not an article about Wiremu venturing South for the first time to ride Oamaru tomorrow?  

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Why create a negative outlook to it. He’s had a tough time and moving forward wants to make a go of it. Has ability, he’s in the right place with the right mentors. Like mentioned in any occupation what you put in is what you get out of it, if he’s prepared to put in the hard yards he deserves every piece of success he has. Why create a negative article on the boy when he’s done nothing wrong since starting his race day riding career. He’s moved on since his times at Te Akau and trying to create a successful career let’s get behind him and encourage him to be the best he can as he looks to be oozing potential. Good luck boy head down work hard and you will reap the rewards. 

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1 minute ago, Horsegirl94 said:

Why create a negative outlook to it. He’s had a tough time and moving forward wants to make a go of it. Has ability, he’s in the right place with the right mentors. Like mentioned in any occupation what you put in is what you get out of it, if he’s prepared to put in the hard yards he deserves every piece of success he has. Why create a negative article on the boy when he’s done nothing wrong since starting his race day riding career. He’s moved on since his times at Te Akau and trying to create a successful career let’s get behind him and encourage him to be the best he can as he looks to be oozing potential. Good luck boy head down work hard and you will reap the rewards. 

To go from never riding a horse 2 and half years ago to what he’s done so far, shows he is more than prepared to work hard. 

Good luck to the kid, it’s a tough game but he’s in the right place like you said. Let’s see where he is in a few years time. 

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Still wouldn’t say it’s a disgusting article saying that it’s abit disjointed  and like you say does focus on negative aspects.Saying that if and when WP makes it it will be all the more sweeter for him.Go hard and good luck I say .

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I think he also would admit to his past and good to see he has moved on from it and is working hard but the fact is that he was a little wayward earlier but good on the kid for knuckling down and having a go...but I agree i dont think you should only write the good bits about him after all his past has helped to shape him and make him who he is... now it seems that he really wants to leave that part of his life behind so good on him, lets all wish him well and hope he keeps doing what he is doing working hard and staying level headed.

I think he is a huge talent but everybody has a past in some form, no need to be ashamed of it if you turn your life around.

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10 hours ago, Nash95 said:

 

Because knowing Wiremu Pinn, a lot of assumptions have been made in this article. 

Isnt this industry crying out for young people to be involved? Young ones don’t cope with criticism too well, and this is harsh and unnecessary. And I doubt very much anyone would want to read this about themselves, and be compared to having an attitude like Josh Parr’s.

Why not an article about Wiremu venturing South for the first time to ride Oamaru tomorrow?  

You have just discredited Josh Parr - I never saw his name in the Herald article.

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I can't see any problem with the article. Basically it is all about attitude and professionalism which goes along with ability. Billy Pinn obviously has ability however the former two factors have been sadly lacking in his career to date.

If it wasn't for apprentice mentor Noel Harris's persistence by keeping at Allan Sharrock to take him on then he would not have a career in racing. He had exasperated the patience of former employers and no one was willing to take him on. If Allan Sharrock had not done so then he would not be currently riding and the opportunity of making  a career as a jockey would have evaporated. None of you would ever have heard of Billy Pinn.

 Horsegirl, if you take in what Allan Sharrock has to say there is still a fair way to go. So I will highlight that part for you.

Sharrock says in most ways Pinn is more difficult to handle than Walker.

"Mickey was never easy, but thankfully you could get through to him when it really mattered. He knew what a payday was and how to achieve it.

"When Mickey was apprenticed I'd set The Gifted Shifter for the Marton Cup and I gave him the ride.

" The night before the race he came home at 2am as pissed as he could possibly be. He got up early and I told him to go back to bed.

"All the way to the races I abused him like you can't believe.

"The horse drew the outside of the 18 runners and before he got to the winning post the first time he had it in the one-one.

"I remember thinking 'You might be a dickhead at times, but you're a gifted dickhead'. He always had enough street savvy to know when to pull it together."

After nearly four months Sharrock admits he's not sure Pinn has that quality.

"He has to learn it's my way or no way at all.

"It's all very well getting the headlines he's getting, but he has to learn to be professional. If you don't conduct yourself in a professional manner, people quickly lose faith in you."

Only time will tell whether Pinn goes down the path drawn by Clipperton or follow the opposite direction of Adams.

It will come down to one element - attitude.

The article on Billy Pinn is factual and hopefully he will go the way of being a positive, professional jockey. He has at present the support of Noel Harris and Allan Sharrock who are doing their best to guide and shape him for the future and it is now up to Billy if he will embrace the opportunity that is being given to him.       

   

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In my opinion it was a good article. Let’s face it, if he had been a perfect child the article wouldn’t have been written. The media need a ‘story’ and this is a good one with a sensible message about needing to knuckle down to turn your life around.

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The kid has been in the game for how long? About 2 and a half years? Troubled past due to best mate committing suicide which we all know would hit anyone hard especially at a young age, went down wrong track and when on mend found a love for horses and possessed natural talent. I also believe these quotes from Mr Sharrock were in an article when Billy had opened up about his best mate and how that has given him strength and drive to achieve his goals, and these quotes have been used again in this article to express that the kid is some sort of drop kick. 

The boy was never involved in racing industry when his life took a spiral, so I don’t see why it should be anyone but his own and families business. He’s in capable hands now with Mr Sharrock and Mr Harris, he’s made his mistakes when under the care of Te Akau and hopefully learnt from them. Let’s encourage this boy and see where he can go. 

 

As we know NZ has had a lot of top apprentices head across the ditch over the years who have performed well on the other side of the Tasman. Wasn’t it great to see Sam Weatherley ride a double yesterday at Randwick on Our Malambo and Kaonic (which was an absolute pearler of a ride). Rather than bringing up Billy’s past let’s help him to maintain focussed on his future and doing well, he’s a kid in a men’s game and professionalism will come with experience. Let’s hope Billy can carry on the run of good NZ apprentices and potentially one day head across to Australia and beyond for success. 

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As for Te Akau, don’t apprentices go to the next level when they leave there! Look at Jasmine Fawcett. Struggled to get rides whilst there and look at her now. Te Akau should stick at what they know best, training horses, not mentoring apprentices. 

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I thought the article was tracking ok, until the author went off on his tangent about being a jockey’s agent himself, and how some young Aussie kid behaved badly ( do the Australians ever behave any other way ?)

That was very unprofessional and shameless self promotion.

I should add that if I had Dillon as a manager I’d definitely go off the fucking rails ( I presume this was a Dillon article ).

As for Wiremu Pinn.....column inches won’t kill him.....and there’s only one bloke who’ll decide which path he takes in life, and that’s Wiremu Pinn. If he’s strong and disciplined like many who’ve gone before him he’ll do well, if he’s a weak prick who makes bad choices he’ll be consigned to the scrapheap of life soon enough, and like all other weak pricks who make bad choices he’ll blame everyone else

Your choice Wiremu, you either want to be a winner or a loser....I’d have thought it’s a rather easy decision to make.

A footnote if you’re reading this Wiremu.

Go buy a book called The Subtle Art Of Not Giving A Fuck ...by Mark Manson.....read it three times....you’ll be a far better person for it, and every time you catch yourself thinking you’re famous, important, or an elite human being, read it again.

 

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Horsegirl and Nash must be rellies....talk about making a Mountain out of a Molehill.

This isn't the first such article and won't be the last. Anything can be overcome if you are big enough to cope with this sort of stuff.

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As far as I’m aware he’s from a non horsey background, and dare I say it Wiremu is from a younger generation who probably has no idea this site exists. He’s well aware of his past and if anything he’s trying to move past it and make something of himself. 

It’s this bad media coverage that discourages young ones from the industry. And why would parents let their kids get involved with the industry especially if they know nothing about racing when there are articles like this portraying the ‘bad boys’ in racing? 

If anything the media are making a mountain out a molehill. 

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31 minutes ago, Nash95 said:

As far as I’m aware he’s from a non horsey background, and dare I say it Wiremu is from a younger generation who probably has no idea this site exists. He’s well aware of his past and if anything he’s trying to move past it and make something of himself. 

It’s this bad media coverage that discourages young ones from the industry. And why would parents let their kids get involved with the industry especially if they know nothing about racing when there are articles like this portraying the ‘bad boys’ in racing? 

If anything the media are making a mountain out a molehill. 

We all jump on the media when a negative is written but bad boys come good is good reading and other sports are full of such stories.  Rugby and league get great stories from their bad boys.  The apprentices are taught to not read my their own press, Racecafe especially!!   

Having witnessed a cocky attitude to the media there is some work to be done there      , how you deal with people leaves a lasting impression  

Can he come good, yep sure can but only one person can make sure that happens.  Work hard, and stay humble. 

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Very interesting article. In this modern PC world it is rare to see people's privacy invaded so dramatically. As a racing person I did find it interesting, but there is an uneasy aspect to it. There is obviously some particular event that has encouraged him to write the article. I can see both sides to this argument. As an aside, I am always impressed with how well the young Australian jockeys speak when interviewed on the TV.

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In my opinion he is as stylish as any young apprentice I have seen ride raceday from the outset.  The only other I can remember so stylish from the outset was William Buick in the UK.

The reference to Michael Walker being pissed till 2am and riding under the influence could have been left out.....

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5 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said:

In my opinion he is as stylish as any young apprentice I have seen ride raceday from the outset.  The only other I can remember so stylish from the outset was William Buick in the UK.

The reference to Michael Walker being pissed till 2am and riding under the influence could have been left out.....

Maybe Mike was pissed at 2am and writing under the influence ?

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