Ellerslie track issues

[Pete Lane 812]

6 hours ago, Gruff said:

 Petal is obviously a decent man and has earned his stripes, but why target me? What is an opinion?  And if you have a problem prove your point...the only God on these sites is Turny, so ask him

My last say on this. You were banned on the other channel because you started targeting other posters on the Punting forum. You called one of our regulars a 'dart thrower'.

You're simply not welcome there so get over it.

[scooby3051 11,580]

 

Seems Ellerslie is still not up to the required standard...to many issues after racing there and they keep continuing...obviously needs some remedial work.....

PEARL OF ALSACE (M McNab) – Trainer S Ritchie advised Stewards the stable was satisfied with the post-race condition of the mare, however, in his opinion PEARL OF ALSACE may have been feeling the effects of the firmer track. S Ritchie further advised the mare has now been sent for a spell. Race 7 ELSDON PARK 2200 SUPER SID (D Danis) – 

Trainer D Hollinshead advised Stewards SUPER SID pulled up lame in the fetlocks and has now been retired from racing. 

Race 8 SKYCITY HORIZON 1600 SUN AND HEIR (C Grylls) – Trainer M Van Lierde advised Stewards upon return to the stable the entire underwent a veterinary examination which included x-rays, with results showing a fracture to the lower lateral aspect cannon bone of the off foreleg with the entire undergoing surgery with pins being put in place. M Van Lierde further advised SUN AND HEIR has now been sent for spell and connections will also be reassessing its racing future.

[Chris Wood 1,606]

For gods Sake, horses break down on any track Scooby, you know that.

Super Sid has gone around a few times, Pearl of Alsace might have felt the firm track, some do some don’t.

Injuries  happen, it’s called an attrition rate, if you read all stripes reports from all tracks things will be pretty similar.

Give Ellerslie some time, I for one, along with a lot of others will race there when it is in use….

It’s Headquarters, and not the other Famous landmark at the Viaduct!

 

[Leggy 4,191]

35 minutes ago, Chris Wood said:

Give Ellerslie some time,

How long do you reckon it needs Chris?

[Ponderosa8 1,419]

Interesting that there's 7 races at Ellerslie on Wednesday... 5 Maiden races, a R60 and a R65.

So are they making these lesser horses (if you know what I mean) "crash test dummies" to give the track more racing and bed it in further.??

[Pete Lane 812]

1 minute ago, Ponderosa8 said:

Interesting that there's 7 races at Ellerslie on Wednesday... 5 Maiden races, a R60 and a R65.

So are they making these lesser horses (if you know what I mean) "crash test dummies" to give the track more racing and bed it in further.??

I think the meeting was originally to be held elsewhere(Avondale?) so it's just a typical midweek meeting.

It definitely wasn't originally going to be held at Ellerslie so I don't really see any conspiracy here.

[Ponderosa8 1,419]

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[Ponderosa8 1,419]

1 minute ago, Pete Lane said:

I think the meeting was originally to be held elsewhere(Avondale?) so it's just a typical midweek meeting.

It definitely wasn't originally going to be held at Ellerslie so I don't really see any conspiracy here.

oh okay, didn't realise that Pete.  Definitely makes sense now you've mentioned it.

Thanks for that.

[scooby3051 11,580]

2 hours ago, Chris Wood said:

For gods Sake, horses break down on any track Scooby, you know that.

Super Sid has gone around a few times, Pearl of Alsace might have felt the firm track, some do some don’t.

Injuries  happen, it’s called an attrition rate, if you read all stripes reports from all tracks things will be pretty similar.

Give Ellerslie some time, I for one, along with a lot of others will race there when it is in use….

It’s Headquarters, and not the other Famous landmark at the Viaduct!

 

Mate what you say is partially true...when was the last time multiple horses broke down in a meeting at any track...no good trying to bury the issues...it has issues and they need addressing keep burying your head in the sand but that wont fix the problems....JMO.

[Chris Wood 1,606]

How do you not know if any had issues before the Raceday?

[Chris Wood 1,606]

Not sure Leggy, it is very new obviously, and there was no real set racing pattern last time.

i just don’t believe the track is the problem of these horses going amiss,  and I am not tall enough to bury my head in the sand that’s for sure….

Opinions are like bottoms, we all have one and everyone will have a theory, be it right or wrong.

I think it’s a great idea ( just my opinion) to have more racing on it, I think that will be the making of the track….

[Leggy 4,191]

16 minutes ago, Chris Wood said:

Not sure Leggy, it is very new obviously, and there was no real set racing pattern last time.

i just don’t believe the track is the problem of these horses going amiss,  and I am not tall enough to bury my head in the sand that’s for sure….

Opinions are like bottoms, we all have one and everyone will have a theory, be it right or wrong.

I think it’s a great idea ( just my opinion) to have more racing on it, I think that will be the making of the track….

Chris, they chose to grow their own grass on it rather than follow the Strathayr standard used elsewhere in the world in which case it should have been fine for racing in 3 weeks according to Strathayr.

My question remains, how long will it take to become a safe racing surface and how many horses will have to be risked in helping it become so?

[Chris Wood 1,606]

I can’t deny or confirm this Leggy, heading up on Wednesday hopefully so I will speak with Paul Wilcox.

[Chris Wood 1,606]

Horses risked, not sure that’s the right terminology….

[Leggy 4,191]

4 minutes ago, Chris Wood said:

I can’t deny or confirm this Leggy, heading up on Wednesday hopefully so I will speak with Paul Wilcox.

Great. Please let us know what Paul has to say.

[Contentious 688]

If this new surface needs more racing on it - why has the rail consistantly been out 6 ,7 and 10 mtrs?

 

[Ohokaman 6,083]

They might be having second thoughts after watching the events at Randwick at the weekend. Pic at 6am.

Cannot imagine any course here running a meeting after 230mmm of rain in 24 hours, whatever the surface.

Incredible that they were running 1.10.4 in the TJ Smith, and 1.35.2 in the Doncaster was truly unbelievable.

I heard Radley say they had put 5000 tons of sand in the track base over 5 years of renovations…….that’s why.

[canon47 94]

Me hiding under the desk after making this comment ANY reason for not having say 2/3 trotting/pacing race days that might sort it

 

[Chris Wood 1,606]

I am not a track manager or don’t confess to be one, but have been around a wee while.

i will find out on Wednesday providing my horse lines up…..

[scooby3051 11,580]

1 hour ago, Chris Wood said:

Not sure Leggy, it is very new obviously, and there was no real set racing pattern last time.

i just don’t believe the track is the problem of these horses going amiss,  and I am not tall enough to bury my head in the sand that’s for sure….

Opinions are like bottoms, we all have one and everyone will have a theory, be it right or wrong.

I think it’s a great idea ( just my opinion) to have more racing on it, I think that will be the making of the track….

Not an opinion, just read and listen how many have pulled up with issues since the new track has been raced on...horses  have either gone amiss on Raceday or had issues and even in one case I know of  needed to be euthanised...it has issues and for the good of the industry I hope they are being addressed...not just close one eye and keep on going and hope for the best...even you know thats not a solution.

[scooby3051 11,580]

1 minute ago, scooby3051 said:

Not an opinion, just read and listen how many have pulled up with issues since the new track has been raced on...horses  have either gone amiss on Raceday or had issues and even in one case I know of  needed to be euthanised...it has issues and for the good of the industry I hope they are being addressed...not just close one eye and keep on going and hope for the best...even you know thats not a solution. So how many broke down or pulled up with issues at Trentham and at Otaki the week before...??? If its not right why not sort it out instead of just saying oh give it time it will be fine...how many will be gone amiss before then???

 

[chevy86 2,778]

16 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

They might be having second thoughts after watching the events at Randwick at the weekend.

Cannot imagine any course here running a meeting after 230mmm of rain in 24 hours, whatever the surface.

Incredible that they were running 1.10.4 in the TJ Smith, and 1.35.2 in the Doncaster was truly unbelievable.

I heard Radley say they had put 5000 tons of sand in the track base over 5 years of renovations…….that’s why.

 

Thought the same myself O'man, especially after that germ Guerin wrote that Imperatriz had performed very well "in a bog"! (yeah, 1.10.4). She did perform well, had her chance, but no need for the Te Akau suck-up.

I didn't even see much evidence of kick back or flying clods--amazing.

[scooby3051 11,580]

2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

 

Thought the same myself O'man, especially after that germ Guerin wrote that Imperatriz had performed very well "in a bog"! (yeah, 1.10.4). She did perform well, had her chance, but no need for the Te Akau suck-up.

I didn't even see much evidence of kick back or flying clods--amazing.

Why the need to mention TA...geez you must hate them...this thread was nothing even slightly to do with them or MG???

[Crow 232]

4 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

They might be having second thoughts after watching the events at Randwick at the weekend. Pic at 6am.

Cannot imagine any course here running a meeting after 230mmm of rain in 24 hours, whatever the surface.

Incredible that they were running 1.10.4 in the TJ Smith, and 1.35.2 in the Doncaster was truly unbelievable.

I heard Radley say they had put 5000 tons of sand in the track base over 5 years of renovations…….that’s why.

As shown, it does show how far we are behind in have tracks structurally built for purpose not only to take weather events but also irrigation. 

[TurnyTom 1,627]

No expert but reason that the Ellerslie track will need the benefit of 4 seasons to settle down

The frontal bias seems not so prevalent now, which is good 

I hope the track seasons to a good even surface but I would be more worried about the lack of crowds attending a bigger issue. That issue alone will stifle development.

Putting  it in perspective, Flemington has 9 full time Gardner’s tending the roses, flower beds and lawn and minor maintenance. Plus they have a head track specialist with 8 staff all attending the surface the horses race on. And that’s why HQ in MLB is a superb track and always will be, the investment is there.