RaceCafe..#1...Tipsters Thread.... Share Your Fancies For Fun...Lets See Who The Best Tipsters Here Are.
Pete Lane

Ellerslie track issues

Recommended Posts

3 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

Interestingly Sha Tin always waters the track leading into a meeting so the surface is always the same to allow punter confidence...maybe something to look at here.

If you watch the coverage on the internet, they always water on the morning of a meeting at Sha Tin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Alf Riston said:

My memory takes me back to teams of white coated gentlemen getting on the track between races and replacing clods of dirt and grass with their wooden stampers - obviously things weren't so rooted in the good old days 😁

and tractor towing a large bristled/broom harrows between races  - easy out nowdays - just move the running rail!

I doubt we had so many issues before moveable running rails came into play - the tracks were looked after with a lot more manpower. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Didn't they stop having those guys go out in between races to replace the clods etc when they had a miscalculation, and they went out and started doing their thing while the horses were still going around? I'm sure that happened at Ellerslie a few years ago.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

When I was going to races  i was there hours before the first race and never spotted any instrument of 'Condition even after walking the track. Just like anything in life the 'expert's are missing in action but telling you otherwise

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Leggy said:

Gosh Vinnie didn't sound too impressed with the track. Said it's going to take a lot of racing on it to get it right if I heard correctly.

Yep that's what I heard too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

26 minutes ago, nomates said:

I believe he said it was lovely before the other comment , I don't think anybody is under any illusions that the surface is going to need bedding in , it's how long it's going to take .

I've asked this before nomates but I don't really understand what bedding in means and Wilcox said it needed rest over the winter for that whereas Vinnie says it needs a lot of racing for the same thing. What does bedding in mean?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Leggy said:

I've asked this before nomates but I don't really understand what bedding in means and Wilcox said it needed rest over the winter for that whereas Vinnie says it needs a lot of racing for the same thing. What does bedding in mean?

A good humpty dumpty is my thoughts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Leggy said:

I've asked this before nomates but I don't really understand what bedding in means and Wilcox said it needed rest over the winter for that whereas Vinnie says it needs a lot of racing for the same thing. What does bedding in mean?

Look I don't know much about track maintenance but I've laid a few lawns in my time , where extra soil is brought in and the seed is laid , it is watered regularly and that watering is not only for the seed it is to help the soil settle and compact and I would assume with the amount of material that has been put down there that it is going to take time to find it's natural level .

Call it what you want bedding , settling in , whatever , but your a smart man I'm sure you know what was meant and understand that the track was going to take time to be what will be considered in top condition . You've spent too long arguing with Doug .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, nomates said:

Look I don't know much about track maintenance but I've laid a few lawns in my time , where extra soil is brought in and the seed is laid , it is watered regularly and that watering is not only for the seed it is to help the soil settle and compact and I would assume with the amount of material that has been put down there that it is going to take time to find it's natural level .

Call it what you want bedding , settling in , whatever , but your a smart man I'm sure you know what was meant and understand that the track was going to take time to be what will be considered in top condition . You've spent too long arguing with Doug .

Haha. I get bedding in for laid turf as something that involves the turf layer melding with the underlying soil but I don't really get it for seeded turf. Wilcox says it needs rest over the winter to bed in and Vinnie says it needs lots of racing to do that. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me but as Pete said, Weatherley sounded more positive and it looks to be racing fine whatever else it needs from here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Look I don't know much about track maintenance but I've laid a few lawns in my time , where extra soil is brought in and the seed is laid , it is watered regularly and that watering is not only for the seed it is to help the soil settle and compact and I would assume with the amount of material that has been put down there that it is going to take time to find it's natural level .

Call it what you want bedding , settling in , whatever , but your a smart man I'm sure you know what was meant and understand that the track was going to take time to be what will be considered in top condition . You've spent too long arguing with Doug .

I agree, I don't claim expertise but my interpretation would be;  " the consolidation of the structures from the subsoil to the racing surface"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, CeeMeNow said:

I agree, I don't claim expertise but my interpretation would be;  " the consolidation of the structures from the subsoil to the racing surface"

Well your expertise is far ahead of mine because that statement is above my understanding or pay grade .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought all tracks took time to consolidate.  Maybe bedding in is a modern term for same.

Vinnie Colgan has more experience than Sam Weatherley, the latter appears to be on the payroll after watching the promotional video prior to the last Ellerslie meeting.  I feel Vinnie is no yes man and I would be appalled if he was penalised for his comments.

Nomates, your lawn might have looked a little different had a field of 500kg (+ jockey) beasts run all over it.

It would be nice to think after consolidation then the winter off it will be up to more than just looking at.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes.  Absolutely.  So we rushed to show case NZ racing to the world and stuffed up.

Imagine a Premier League match kicking off on a substandard pitch.  How long would that caretaker last?  Maybe Mourinho needs to come and run NZ Racing.  He'd sort out the dead wood.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On 2/17/2024 at 3:03 PM, CeeMeNow said:

I agree, I don't claim expertise but my interpretation would be;  " the consolidation of the structures from the subsoil to the racing surface"

The world is full of experts these day, have you noticed, so the rest of us may as well jump on the bandwagon to.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Did we see a fair racing surface today?  Looked 'racing striped' yet again and after watching McNab thoroughly butcher the well placed Slipper Island in Race 4 it added to the confusion. What did Pike tell him to do pre race? And did he tell Assano to avoid being handy ( surely not) while he got circled 4 wide at Cambridge over 970 on the biggest drifting warm fav in years? $2.5 to $8... Anyone would of thought it turned up with 3 legs 😆Worth asking questions surely, when it looks and smells like horseshit is it 🤔 or is piss poor decision making explained away that easily?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm still not confident the Ellerslie surface is entirely fair, but there's no blatant bias I can point to yet either.

I don't know what McNab was supposed to do on Slipper Island. Maybe you can argue he should've gone under the leader; the head-on isn't available yet but from side on it looks like the leader didn't roll off the rail until the 300m, at which point Kingfisher had poked up under Slipper Island and so McNab couldn't go back to the inside. Ordinarily he could push the 1x1 horse out of the way late in the turn to go around the two leaders, but there was a 3-wide horse there too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.