Turny 1,224 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 And a modest fee Midge Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,559 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 What a silly mistake to make, the rules are clear cut, and why risk a black mark on his career, there was another McDonald in the news sum time ago, can't remember what it was about, may have been a trainer. DWJR 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 More than a black mark - Trump is on the mark - this is very serious Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,807 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Midget said: If he doesn't have Rumpole he'll get three months, if he does have him he'll get 12 weeks. Rumpy thought Nash was innocent in the Telegraph almost killing Vinnie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny 1,224 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, Gruff said: Rumpy thought Nash was innocent in the Telegraph almost killing Vinnie And he was Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,577 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 Sit back, get the facts and then pass judgement. Pre-empting things ain't gonna help know one. and really, bring another family member into it, for gods sake get a life! Jabba2, gubellini and elbow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,807 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, turny said: And he was 17 minutes ago, turny said: And he was How? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent 12 Report post Posted November 16, 2016 16 hours ago, turny said: More than a black mark - Trump is on the mark - this is very serious I agree. Theyre saying if he cooperates it would bring that 2 year sentence down IF he's found guilty. He *was* exceptionally excited crossing the line...." Fairfax Media understands stewards had their interest sparked by McDonald's celebratory punching into the air as he hit the line but until Tuesday they had no evidence to suggest why he might have been so excited". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,850 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 If true, this happened in December 2015, so it has taken a while to come to light. As for the "excited celebration", he has always been very positive about Astern and regards him very highly. The "bet" must have been a substantial one to take a risk like this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent 12 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 47 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: If true, this happened in December 2015, so it has taken a while to come to light. As for the "excited celebration", he has always been very positive about Astern and regards him very highly. The "bet" must have been a substantial one to take a risk like this. They are alleging it was $1,000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent 12 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, the shue25 said: I have been reading the village racing forum, an australian racing forum,. The aussie guys that make comments in that site are pretty ruthless in their observations of this particular saga. Hopefully that is just steam/hot air (you know how Aussies blow - just look at their cricketers). Hopefully it's just someone with a grudge or a nasty rumour. Wait and see, I hope it's just all settled quickly, and favorably, for JMc. the shue25 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the shue25 145 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 Totally agree, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,850 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 53 minutes ago, Kent said: They are alleging it was $1,000. If that is true, he's a bloody idiot. I expected more like 50-100k. Pales into comparison with what he will lose if convicted. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 $1,000 bet could cost James McDonald his million dollar job Posted by: Morgan Payne James McDonald steering Astern to victory in the race that could cost him his job An alleged bet of $1,000 could cost jockey James McDonald his million dollar yearly contract with Godolphin. McDonald voluntarily stood himself down from riding on Tuesday after stewards charged him for having an interest in a bet on Godolphin runner Astern in December last year. It is reported by Fairfax Media that stewards had their interest sparked by McDonald’s overzealous celebration for the class of race but it was not until Tuesday that they had a reason for him doing so. The evidence stewards found was a link between McDonald and a Sydney man Anthony Gardiner who is nicknamed “the tennis player.” It is understood Gardiner had placed a $1,000 bet on behalf of McDonald on Astern to collect close to $5,000 however stewards are tight lipped on the situation and are yet to confirm these allegations. Godolphin on Wednesday issued a statement regarding the matter. “(McDonald’s) decision to step down from riding, pending the outcome of the investigation, is the right one,” the statement said. “We will continue to support him throughout this process.” The inquiry is likely to take weeks or even months to be concluded with stewards set to interview both McDonald, Gardiner and other parties of interest. If found guilty McDonald faces a mandatory two-year ban from riding which will ultimately see him lose his position as Godolphin’s number one stable rider in Australia which netted him close to a million dollars in earnings last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,096 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 On 16/11/2016 at 1:37 PM, Trump said: Under the Rule 83 JMac has been charged, if found guilty, the rules state a "Minimum mandatory sentence of 2 years disqualification". He's in deep shit and the only way he can possibly get a reduction of sentence (if found guilty) is to plead guilty. They would not have charged him if they had not the info from the police. Racing will survive, as will Godolphin. In the meantime, poor young James must be asking himself some serious questions. Highly unlikely that a guilty plea could be argued to amount to special circumstances. I'd say 2 years is the minimum if guilty as charged. (5) Where a person is found guilty of a breach of any of the Rules listed below, a penalty of disqualification for a period of not less than the period specified for that Rule must be imposed unless there is a finding that a special circumstance exists whereupon the penalty may be reduced. (ii) AR83(d)–2 years And Trump, have another read of this: " the only way he can possibly get a reduction of sentence (if found guilty) is to plead guilty." TOM(the other Molloy) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,850 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 That "special circumstance" leaves some wriggling room though Leggy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slam dunk 1,317 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 What was the name of the Australian Jockey who tipped out a long term prospect for the English Derby and had 10,000 pounds on it along with a bunch of visiting Aussie personalities. UK10,000 nowadays very much more. However before the race he was replaced by Lester Piggott and ended up riding a 40:1 outsider. Coming with a late run he nudged Lester Piggott out to win. Who says the Aussie jocks aren't honest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 Ron Hutchison or Scobie Breasley ? Hutchy would be my guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 408 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 Am I hearing this right, he did not put the bet on, someone else did ! Clearly not guilty then ! Money would have had to change hands before the race to have any credence to any allegation . jack 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 You're clutching at straws Piper. The laws quite clear. Whether it's your Mother, Auntie, wife etc, a jockey can't bet. The police surveillance uncovered the connection. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,850 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 So he didn't actually place the bet but "had an interest"........?? Clear as mud. https://www.punters.com.au/news/Sydney-punter-interviewed-in-McDonald-investigation_155346/ Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racing84 254 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 Technically, a jockey can "have an interest" in a bet without evening knowing about it. It's not uncommon from my understanding for owners to put a few bucks on their horse as a gift for the jockey should the horse salute. I'm not suggesting that's the case here - I would rather not speculate on the facts until they all come out - I'm just saying that to "have an interest" in a bet could potentially have a very wide meaning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,096 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, Racing84 said: It's not uncommon from my understanding for owners to put a few bucks on their horse as a gift for the jockey should the horse salute. That would certainly seem to be an interest in a bet which is clearly a breach of the rules. Kent 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,873 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 People seem to be all coming out in his favour because he is a nice NZ boy. I'm sure if he was an Australian jockey you would all be saying throw the book at him. It sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do on his part. Must be hard to remain grounded when when you start getting all the adulation he does. gary1, Kent and the shue25 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted November 18, 2016 45 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: People seem to be all coming out in his favour because he is a nice NZ boy. I'm sure if he was an Australian jockey you would all be saying throw the book at him. It sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do on his part. Must be hard to remain grounded when when you start getting all the adulation he does. Probably because unlike Oliver the interest was on his own horse. I still think a jockey should be allowed to back his own mount and they were allowed to here until Cameron George stuck his nose in and stopped it. But back to James, under the current rules it was pretty silly thing to do but the penalty in my opinion no way fits the crime if that's what you want to call it and let's face it, it is a victimless crime anyway. A minimum of two years is the penalty, which will stop him making a living from his profession and what would amount to a huge financial penalty in real costs for him. With weight issues it could well a career ending penalty. A fine and A Stern warning would be more appropriate. Memphis2, bestbets, elbow and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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