Berri 2,131 Report post Posted April 5, 2017 I don't know what you all think but when Melody Belle started racing I thought to myself "how could a horse be named Melody Belle again?" if I remember correctly ( and I'm prone to the odd bout of mad cow) Melody Belle about 40 years ago was a group winner that the Sartens bred from the famous "Belle" family. How can there be named two of them in our country? This seems like utter madness to me. Why don't the powers that be use common sense in our country and make a policy that if any horse wins/ places in a black type race in this country then no other horse can be named the same. Simple logic I would have thought. And while I'm onto names, and I know another thread is dancing around the edges of this one, but why aren't we keeping the base name(historical) for all of our stakes races and allow the sponsors to peg their name on the front of the Historical name? It is ludicrous to change these names because the breeder and follower of pedigree form can't/ won't be able to, be tracked in ones mind accurately. The Elerslie Sires Produce is a prime example of this. In a pedigree any international will see its former name but now it's the Sistema. Talk about screw with history and re-write the book. This does not make sense We're Doomed, Breeder, Pam Robson and 7 others 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted April 5, 2017 Mad cow ? You catch that from eating wedding cake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted April 5, 2017 Any marriage has the potential of giving a man Mad Cow disease. Thought you might have known that.... elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Lindsay 2 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 Names cannot exceed 18 characters, including the spaces. Don't apply for names whose spelling or pronunciation is similar to names already registered. A name cannot be reused until 15 years has elapsed since the foaling of a similar named horse. Names for broodmares cannot be used again until 12 years has elapsed since that name last appeared in a Volume of the Stud Book. Names of winners of Group One races are protected. Name of a Stallion cannot be used until 15 years after it last appeared in a studbook. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 The name should have been protected because of race record of the original filly. Group 1 races were not in place when she was racing. Too late now but they should be more careful to protect iconic names. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 The original Melody Belle was foaled in 1971 by Taipan 2 out of Belle Of Ascot. She won four Stakes Races viz the Te Aroha N.Z. Thoroughbred Breeders Stakes, the ARC Ladies Mile, The B.O.P. RC Centennial Breeders Stakes and the Avondale JC Pegasus Stakes. Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 Melody Belle also won the Listed ARC Bledisloe Handicap. Overall she won 10 races-2at2-from 1000m to 1600m. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wood 1,577 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 D.A.Peake regular rider? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 Chris correct David Peake was her regular rider. However when she won her debut at Dargaville on 23/11/73 she was ridden by Bob Skelton. David took over at her second start which she also won- the Goodwood Stakes at Ellerslie on 26/12/73. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 Remarkably when Melody Belle won her debut at Dargaville on 23/11/73 the runner up was also making her debut a filly called Perhaps who went on to win the 1976 Auckland Cup. Dont dismiss Dargaville form! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 On 4/6/2017 at 7:59 AM, Berri said: I don't know what you all think but when Melody Belle started racing I thought to myself "how could a horse be named Melody Belle again?" if I remember correctly ( and I'm prone to the odd bout of mad cow) Melody Belle about 40 years ago was a group winner that the Sartens bred from the famous "Belle" family. How can there be named two of them in our country? This seems like utter madness to me. Why don't the powers that be use common sense in our country and make a policy that if any horse wins/ places in a black type race in this country then no other horse can be named the same. Simple logic I would have thought. And while I'm onto names, and I know another thread is dancing around the edges of this one, but why aren't we keeping the base name(historical) for all of our stakes races and allow the sponsors to peg their name on the front of the Historical name? It is ludicrous to change these names because the breeder and follower of pedigree form can't/ won't be able to, be tracked in ones mind accurately. The Elerslie Sires Produce is a prime example of this. In a pedigree any international will see its former name but now it's the Sistema. Talk about screw with history and re-write the book. This does not make sense Think similarly Berri, especially with Melody Belle though fortunately this one might be just as good as the earlier one. I't bound to happen though given a new generation who are not aware of earlier names. I wasn't thrilled though when I saw a horse in Southland named Dhaulagiri (sp??) albeit an Aussie champ and one of the few to beat the mighty Tulloch I think. The Kiwi horse can hardly raise a sweat but I guess if you don't know then ignorance is bliss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted April 28, 2017 17 minutes ago, gubellini said: Remarkably when Melody Belle won her debut at Dargaville on 23/11/73 the runner up was also making her debut a filly called Perhaps who went on to win the 1976 Auckland Cup. Dont dismiss Dargaville form! haha, that's one horse in 100 years of racing at Dargaville Gubes. No horses trained there any more so it may not exist for much longer. I know Rogie is a staunch supporter but he was a staunch supporter of Paeroa too. That's life. gubellini and bazach 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 I note a horse in at Matamata on Wednesday having it's first start, Ironbark. Ironbark was not a bad horse that was trained by Bill Sanders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted April 30, 2017 Ted the original Ironbark raced 85 times for 7 wins. 5 on the flat and 2 over hurdles. His first win was at Tauranga on 21/3/64 ridden by Gary Willetts. His main flat win was the Taumaranui Cup at Te Awamutu on 29/7/67 ridden by Brian Andrews. His main hurdle win was the Waikato Hurdles on 10/5/69 ridden by Colin Lewis. He was by The Summit out of Fair Ann. Black Kirrama, rdytdy and the shue25 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,425 Report post Posted May 1, 2017 I think you should be allowed an undo with naming. There is nothing worse than finding you have a great name to give to your trial winner and find the name never leaves maiden class :-) Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogo(aus) 885 Report post Posted May 2, 2017 No one has re used ouroene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted May 3, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 2:37 PM, rdytdy said: I note a horse in at Matamata on Wednesday having it's first start, Ironbark. Ironbark was not a bad horse that was trained by Bill Sanders. Made a pretty good fist of it too Ted at 7s a place. rdytdy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted May 21, 2017 Noticed a few more re-runs on the weekend. Maiden Cologne, Trevor McKee had a stakes-winning filly by that name in the 60's. Cashel - Ray Verner had one of these. From memory won his first 3 or 4 on end and later was a handy jumper. Yardarm and Yardstick were winter gallopers in the 60s too (can't understand why George Simon pronunces it Y'darm when it's obviously Yard Arm. Obviously not a sailor). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,009 Report post Posted May 21, 2017 Blue Cologne won the Wellesley Stakes at Trentham on 13/10/84 ridden by David Walsh. She raced six times at 2 for two wins then went to Australia where she won a race over 1900m. Cashel raced five times at 2. Unplaced first start then won at Rotorua 27/5/61, Avondale on 1/7/61 and 8/7/61 and Matamata on 14/7/61. Norm Holland the rider. Yardarm was a full brother to Mainbrace. He won 2/29. Ellerslie 10/10/53 ridden by Grenville Hughes and Ellerslie 6/11/54 ridden by Wally Hooton. Yardstick won 9/104. Main wins South Auckland Cup 28/11/64 ridden by Noel Riordan. Te Awamutu Cup 19/12/64 ridden by Noel. Founders Plate at Te Rapa 8/5/65 ridden by John Humphries and Paeroa Cup 18/3/67 ridden by Snow Sheat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD is rife 211 Report post Posted May 22, 2017 On 28/04/2017 at 1:54 PM, Greg Lindsay said: Names cannot exceed 18 characters, including the spaces. Don't apply for names whose spelling or pronunciation is similar to names already registered. A name cannot be reused until 15 years has elapsed since the foaling of a similar named horse. Names for broodmares cannot be used again until 12 years has elapsed since that name last appeared in a Volume of the Stud Book. Names of winners of Group One races are protected. Name of a Stallion cannot be used until 15 years after it last appeared in a studbook. Where did you get these from? We had a horse named Verify run the other day - foaled in 2012. There was also a (in)famous horse of the same name foaled in 2000. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted May 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, SMD is rife said: Where did you get these from? We had a horse named Verify run the other day - foaled in 2012. There was also a (in)famous horse of the same name foaled in 2000. Possibly now dead, officially a hack or officially de-registered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...