Breeder

Juddmonte Stud breeding from top to the bottom of the page. It does not surprise to see Kingman doing well. I had not really heard of him until Valachi Downs put a colt up for sale in the 2018 Karaka Sales. ( First in the SH for sale. There was a weanling filly sold at the MM sale last month) But when I did some research and looked at his races I was hooked. An amazing race horse. I just hope Kurt ( the Kingman colt that was passed and retained from the Valachi draft) fires as a 3 year old for Kevin Hickman and the team.

But Boss Hogg this is just incredibly bad "work" from the TAB. If they have to comply with new Government regs they should put out a note to all TAB account holders explaining what is about. Simple customer service 101 stuff.

Anyone who wants an OP weanling there are plenty on Gavel House in the current auction along with weanlings by Tivaci and Sacred Falls from Waikato Stud .

She was withdrawn weasel57. ( Lot 823 )

I stand corrected on the 5yr old racing. Finished in March 2013 and the 2040 is why I used the word "slightly" but again I take your point. But my initial comment was meant to say he did not really get into gear until the spring of his 4 year old year. I am not meaning to knock OP --I agree with you that really good ones will come in time. I was surprised to see how he had fallen out of favour at the sales this year. Some wise old guy ( cannot remember who it was) once said that patience is the best thing you can have as a horse owner / trainer.

It does not surprise some / many of OPs progeny take time. His damsire is Zabeel. The damsire is not taken into account anywhere near enough in a lot of people's thinking re a stallion, in my view. Also OP was best at 4 & 5 and better at 2000m or slightly over.

I see Roaring Lion's book is full already. Well done Cambridge Stud.

I will not pretend to understand stallion valuations --- The Taj Mahal sold for A$560,000. That seems quite cheap to me, given Gleneagles has started off quite in the NH. Maybe in this fickle business it was the fact that he did not win a Grp 1 race. I hope he stays in Australasia as it will be interesting to follow his progress. The other two sold for $50k --Good Project and $20K-- Merovee ---looks like both going to China.

It will be interesting to see if a NZ stud has a go at this stallion on Tuesday at the MM sale https://magicmillions.online/viewLot/240/1895 The Taj Mahal 4 wins , 2 @ Grp 2 level by Galileo and a full brother to Gleneagles. Also selling Good Project --by Not a Single Doubt Merovee --by Frankel out of More Strawberries. The last two are Chris Waller horses. I think it is fair to assume all three would have been offered to Australian studs before being entered in to the sale. So it will interesting to see what happens

Thanks Ruby. He was owned by Eric Watson ( former Westbury Stud owner) and has been on the market for a couple of years. I had seen him advertised on a number of Aussie online sales sites including the Inglis Online Auction recently.

Where is Howard be Thy Name standing ?

I think a lot of those high priced Aussie stallions have a heap of shareholder nominations so there are not many outside spots available. Therefore they can put these high figures up and may attract a few but it does not really matter to them . Well that is the promotional spin! This is what Newgate said about Deep Field's fee which has been doubled for 2019. “We believe Deep Field has a big future ahead and we want to look after him for the long term,” Newgate Farm general manager Bruce Slade said. “Outside of his shareholder group there will only be a limited number of nominations available in the market for the 2019 season.”

From a strictly "on paper" pedigree point of view I would go with Snitzel from those three. The fact that he is commercially successful , while an important consideration, is a secondary for me.

Fitzy Race performance summary ( and pedigree details ) https://www.pedigreequery.com/roaring+lion2

Berri and MisterED I think you would have talk to Dennis Ryan privately to gauge what the costs of continuing are, before going ahead with anything . It might also mean looking at the costs of various options. My initial thoughts would be the same as MisterEds but I would love to be proved wrong.