shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 15 Cambridge might be a home track for NZ TAB, or even a place to promote NZ racing. Offer better odds to attract Oz punters to a NZ meeting. So how does the NZ TAB price a home meeting, they wait till Ladbrokes posts their prices and then copy them. You will see win prices are the same for all three bookmakers bar SportsBet being one point better for one runner. All books are priced at over 131% which is high for fixed odds but common for the night before midweek racing. So on the face of it NZ Tab appears competitive (albeit in an early market at 132%), however when you look at the place odds you can see that the NZ TAB is way, way off the pace. In fact over 13% behind SportsBet. This is a massive difference. Cubes, Huey, Memphis3 and 4 others 3 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TurnyTom 744 Report post Posted June 15 So true Shane, they copy and paste then reduce by 10 to 15%. It gets worse on Saturday premier meetings in Oz. Zappa, Huey, Baz (NZ) and 3 others 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Sparrow 381 Report post Posted June 16 You are spot on the money Shane and TT and good on you for highlighting this This has been going on for a long time now. Often they will be $2 shy of the win prices you can get in Aussie. They call themselves "bookmakers" but true bookies don't copy and paste, they assess the chances/risk and frame their market accordingly. I remember several years ago wanting to put a bet on and the TAB agent rang through to head office and they reduced the fixed odds on that bet while I was on the phone. It wasn't even a big payout for them. Why advertise a fixed odds price if you aren't going to honour it? I think that's called "false pretences". I didn't put the bet on as a matter of principle. Littletramp, Huey, shaneMcAlister and 2 others 3 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 16 If only for the purposes of balance i backed a horse at Scone yesterday in Race 1 called Endorfhins. The prices at my 3 betting options was 6.40 6.80 and 9's You guessed it the NZTAB gave me 9's which was gratefully received. Like most things it pays to shop around and get the best value. Guess that debunks some of the anti price competitive naysayers re NZTAB. that appear on here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 16 1 minute ago, JJ Flash said: If only for the purposes of balance i backed a horse at Scone yesterday in Race 1 called Endorfhins. The prices at my 3 betting options was 6.40 6.80 and 9's You guessed it the NZTAB gave me 9's which was gratefully received. Like most things it pays to shop around and get the best value. Guess that debunks some of the anti price competitive naysayers re NZTAB. that appear on here. That's what you call an outliner (if true). At the off today in Race 1 at Cambridge the NZ TAB was at 128%!!!!!! Where as ladbrokes was at 120% and Sportsbet at 122%. NZ tab was over 10% behind at the off for the place market. Below is my FACTS. I somehow find your facts a little harder to substantiate. If NZ Tab wants to attract overseas punters then it would need to drastically improve its odds. Keep up the NZTAB lobbying (its a hard job). 100 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 16 12 minutes ago, shaneMcAlister said: That's what you call an outliner (if true). Now your being a right tosser. Moan all you like about TAB but you really do need to get a life. As for suggesting i lied about the prices , go look them up. Of the 8 races at Scone yesterday Tabcorp had 4 best prices NZTAB 3 and one was the same. So much for your selective biased views or cant you take the truth like a real man In I might add that you dont have to bet with NZTAB , you have lots of choices so bet elsewhere. Eastwood Jaunty 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 16 12 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Now your being a right tosser. Moan all you like about TAB but you really do need to get a life. As for suggesting i lied about the prices , go look them up. Of the 8 races at Scone yesterday Tabcorp had 4 best prices NZTAB 3 and one was the same. So much for your selective biased views or cant you take the truth like a real man In I might add that you dont have to bet with NZTAB , you have lots of choices so bet elsewhere. JJ Flash I mean no offence I just back up my statements with facts (unless in pub and I tell massive pokies)...I believe (will stand corrected) you are looking at totalisler prices not fixed prices. Totalisler prices are not bookmaker prices, they are a pool betting with set take outs. You cannot bet with confidence of what the starting price would be in tote betting. Memphis3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TurnyTom 744 Report post Posted June 16 Must say JJ, your experience at complete odds with the reality I face with the NZ TAB. Tell me why they don't open multi markets on a Saturday until after the Aus markers open? Simple really they reframe after Aussie open their market and locally they are below the Aussie book virtually always The reality is we do not have genuine bookmakers framing our market IMHO our local market is a joke shaneMcAlister and Huey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 16 3 minutes ago, TurnyTom said: Must say JJ, your experience at complete odds with the reality I face with the NZ TAB. Tell me why they don't open multi markets on a Saturday until after the Aus markers open? Simple really they reframe after Aussie open their market and locally they are below the Aussie book virtually always The reality is we do not have genuine bookmakers framing our market IMHO our local market is a joke Don't bet with them then if you have so many issues. Simple really. PS I have no. association.with NZTAB and only bet where I get best price whether it be Fixed or Tote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 16 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Don't bet with them then if you have so many issues. Simple really. PS I have no. association.with NZTAB and only bet where I get best price whether it be Fixed or Tote. Just a side point, You don’t know tote price is best till after they jump. TurnyTom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TurnyTom 744 Report post Posted June 16 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Don't bet with them then if you have so many issues. Simple really. PS I have no. association.with NZTAB and only bet where I get best price whether it be Fixed or Tote. Never said I bet with the NZ TAB, and in fact haven't for some years as they are uncompetitive. But I do access their site for local trial information then bet offshore. A very simple and logical decision IMHO JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Memphis3 168 Report post Posted June 16 1 hour ago, TurnyTom said: Never said I bet with the NZ TAB, and in fact haven't for some years as they are uncompetitive. But I do access their site for local trial information then bet offshore. A very simple and logical decision IMHO yes mate and they are paying for ads begging us to bet with them.Obviously JJF is not associated with the Tab NZ as he is telling us to bet elsewhere..Which we do. Huey and shaneMcAlister 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 16 16 hours ago, TurnyTom said: But I do access their site for local trial information then bet offshore. A very simple and logical decision IMHO Im sure they are pleased to offer their info for free to you although Shane posted elsewhere that it was not very accurate at times. They forgot that Tegan claims 2 kgs Knucckledragga has posed a conundrum for you and other NZTAB naysayers re where to bet in another thread "Most of the problems relate to money and as the biggest punters on NZ racing are from OZ we should be aiming to give THEM a better product to maximise their spend." As i have consistently said , i bet where i get best price and have found NZTAB to be more competitive in the last 12-18 months. More important than this back and forth over a minor issue IMO is whether your horse actually wins!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 16 15 hours ago, Memphis3 said: yes mate and they are paying for ads begging us to bet with them.Obviously JJF is not associated with the Tab NZ as he is telling us to bet elsewhere..Which we do. Keep up the good work, you are obviously not an owner and if you are your likely to also moan about low stakes. That said your not alone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 16 41 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: although Shane posted elsewhere that it was not very accurate at times. They forgot that Tegan claims 2 kgs I admire how finf the form TAB present acceptable, have a look at HK form below. All horses are 4yo geldings, allrated 39, all have no starts statistics etc. Baz (NZ), Memphis3 and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chelseacol 2,283 Report post Posted June 17 5 hours ago, JJ Flash said: As i have consistently said , i bet where i get best price and have found NZTAB to be more competitive in the last 12-18 months. More important than this back and forth over a minor issue IMO is whether your horse actually wins!! Actually if you talk to, or study the very serious punters they will tell you that the price you get is critical to long term results. The pros work on relatively thin margins already - so odds offered/takeout rates/rebates etc are all very important Black Kirrama, Baz (NZ) and JJ Flash 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, chelseacol said: Actually if you talk to, or study the very serious punters they will tell you that the price you get is critical to long term results. The pros work on relatively thin margins already - so odds offered/takeout rates/rebates etc are all very important Correct, infact it is often the rebate rate that is their profit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LightsOut 486 Report post Posted June 17 They would struggle to price at a $2.00 shop Charlie Bukowski, Memphis3, Baz (NZ) and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 17 17 hours ago, LightsOut said: They would struggle to price at a $2.00 shop Surprised by you absence up till now , after all its your fav subject. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaneMcAlister 1,078 Report post Posted June 21 Note Betfair will have up to 6% commission on winnings, so you would only get odds of $20.40 for India.... Above is the cricket odds comparison, I can understand the TAB being shorter on NZ as home support may unbalance their book. So by that logic they should be longer on draw and India, but oh no they are shorter on them too. How will the ever compete, or attract overseas punters with this?!?! 100 1 and Memphis3 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 21 15 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said: Note Betfair will have up to 6% commission on winnings, so you would only get odds of $20.40 for India.... Above is the cricket odds comparison, I can understand the TAB being shorter on NZ as home support may unbalance their book. So by that logic they should be longer on draw and India, but oh no they are shorter on them too. How will the ever compete, or attract overseas punters with this?!?! #Obsessed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nerula 839 Report post Posted June 21 Its just a case of who is leading and who is following. Big fish - small fish JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 22 8 hours ago, JJ Flash said: #Obsessed Haha careful Shane you're giving JJ an aneurysm ... the delusion and denial in this one runs deep , I think its called the cult of TAB! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJ Flash 1,044 Report post Posted June 22 14 hours ago, Huey said: Haha careful Shane you're giving JJ an aneurysm ... the delusion and denial in this one runs deep , I think its called the cult of TAB! More nonsense from our resident bitter and twisted poster. My health is superb according to the Doc on Monday. Keep making negative posts and piggy backing on anything anti about NZ racing. Its amazing what makes people feel important and happy. Hows your good mate Bob doing after been shown the door, still as miserable as ever? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 22 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: More nonsense from our resident bitter and twisted poster. My health is superb according to the Doc on Monday. Keep making negative posts and piggy backing on anything anti about NZ racing. Its amazing what makes people feel important and happy. Hows your good mate Bob doing after been shown the door, still as miserable as ever? Hello resident fairy dust!! It's not a Doc's job to check you for delusion now is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
