tasman man 11

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    tasman man 11 reacted to Taku Umanga in Gavel house   
    Unrealistic reserves are the killer (Tardina Stud had the right idea) and the same reason claiming races will never thrive here - people have unrealistic ideas about what their horses are worth.  
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Memphis2 in Food for thought....   
    Rugby in NZ has been in serious decline in recent years ,the one thing saving it has been WOMEN !
    There's an idea !
    But women won't go if facilities too old !
    Now there's an idea !
    But the tracks with good facilities don't race too often ,cos of mainly wear and tear !
    Now there's an idea !
    But too boring a day and nothing to see and do but hang around and wait !
    Now there's an idea !
    Owners given up in droves cos often hard to get a start and not like v like !
    Now there's an idea !
    Divi's too low cos too many pools splitting $
    Now there's an idea !
    People at top don't seem to know what they doing except draw big bucks !
    There's an idea !
    Piss off Tassie , spend your pennies elsewhere !
    There's an idea !
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    tasman man 11 reacted to Eclipsed in Taroona Bromac   
    Gone and well sold.
    Currently, in Hong Kong and Singapore you race a thoroughbred and one win a year will pay your way.In NZ a good young one will be sold to either of these markets for money you’d never win here in a fit.
    In the standardbred market the numbers are way lower however the comparisons are not dissimilar. A six figure offer when weighed up for stakes vs expenses over, say, two or three seasons of racing in the top grade in NZ says “take the money.”
    There was a rule of thumb that said 2 or 3 wins here would pay your way for a year. It’s been many a year since that held true and as a result, when offered a decent offer, it becomes a no brainer as regards the choice you’d make.
    Sadly It’s hard to see this scenario changing for the foreseeable future.....  
     
     
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    tasman man 11 reacted to Spikecity in One of the Best   
    Being clear of the well clear of the field at Forbury and jumping a puddle -  think he fell if my memory is correct
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    tasman man 11 reacted to poundforpound in Tauranga gate Pa Racecourse Could Go.   
    Seems very sensible to me, and hopefully once they set a precedent many others will follow.
    The net result, we get a modern, current, improved and relevant track ...... and the industry frees up capital.....a no brainer surely 
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    tasman man 11 reacted to Memphis2 in Guptill   
    Spot on Gaz I doubt there was any hesitation picking Boult. You can't begin to imagine the pressure these guys were under. I doubt I would be able to get it on the pitch. Be a bit like John Howard's famous attempt at bowling. Nearly hit him on the foot .
    On the count back why didn't they go to 6s scored first instead of 4s. No one probably ever thought it would get that far. Unbelievable game regardless of the result. Proud of our boys. 
    PS. The Sharks form is a concern !!
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in The reason the TAB isn’t focusing on racing   
    Exactly.........
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Memphis2 in Novak Djokovic   
    Great win by Novak......the best player in world !
    But what sheer beauty from Roger....and nearly 38 years old.
    Staggering  that the top 3 still dominate.
    Amazing that Roger has rissoled Rafa 6 of last 7 matches !
    GOAT Roger losing that ranking to Novak.
    Who would have thought that after is form slump in recent times ?
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Memphis2 in Novak Djokovic   
    A great Wimbledon win by Djokovic ,on his day the best player in the World.
    Now in the running to become the best player ever.....the one to take the GOAT mantle off the beautiful Roger Federer.
    Some may say that the Wimbledon conditions....this year more of a bog like ,slower clay court grass surface....suited him but he did have to beat the King of Clay in a long zzzzzzzz behind the baseline slug fest...not pure tennis.
    He does have the all round record ,he's had to win all his titles when RF and RN at their best also he's had to come back from injury and with 2 x kids now has balance in his life.
    A true champion ....yes has thrown the odd racket etc....
    The next GOAT !!!
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Memphis2 in Guptill   
    Hindsight is great,,,,
    Personally I think Boult is one of NZ's best ever....a great bowler.....with X Factor.
    Ditto Williamson with his batting ,experience and decision making.
    Some of the other bowlers were too young ,too inexperienced or poor under pressure.
    The team did well , undone by freak occurrences.
    Remember Sylvia Potts ?
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Memphis2 in Guptill   
    Hindsight is great,,,,
    Personally I think Boult is one of NZ's best ever....a great bowler.....with X Factor.
    Ditto Williamson with his batting ,experience and decision making.
    Some of the other bowlers were too young ,too inexperienced or poor under pressure.
    The team did well , undone by freak occurrences.
    Remember Sylvia Potts ?
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Hermione in TAB account   
    I was rung by TAB recently ...they said I had to validate my account or it most likely closed after August 1.I did it at Alex Park last night ,by filling in a simple form and showing my Drivers Licence.
    I threatened to withdraw all my money and they said 5c coins now no longer available !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Hermione in TAB account   
    I was rung by TAB recently ...they said I had to validate my account or it most likely closed after August 1.I did it at Alex Park last night ,by filling in a simple form and showing my Drivers Licence.
    I threatened to withdraw all my money and they said 5c coins now no longer available !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from JJ Flash in Farewell J Teaz   
    Did you take your own water ?????
    Dunno if truth in it but they used to say a lot of visiting horses didn't like the water.
    And of course its cold ,its nearly at the South Pole.
    Galloping owner/trainer Jim Brown used to sell the hot chips stand ,that warmed you up not to mention the hot soup and toast when we got home !
    The races always ran late cos they kept the tote open even for an old lady with sixpence to spend and there was often an incident/enquiry in last race ! 
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    tasman man 11 reacted to poundforpound in Inca the stinker   
    I’ve only commented on matters I’ve seen supported by discovered evidence....or dealt with in other hearings under cross examination.
    I don’t need to name the individuals mentioned in Inca....they seem to be well enough known based on the feedback here 
    As for slandering another stable....really, which one ? I missed that bit, I have largely just talked about Inca and the RIU / Police activity,  but I’d love to hear who it is you’re so paranoid about....tell us what concerns you, name the individuals you think I’ve slandered and what you think I’ve accused them of please...
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    tasman man 11 reacted to LongOwner in Inca the stinker   
    The first comments made by the NZPolice and RIU after 18 MONTHS thorough investigation including telephone monitoring  they had all the evidence and were confident the action they took .
    Then  nearly 12 months later - that is 2.5 years of investigation - they are still asking for deferments because a NZPolice or RIU cannot add the dots .
    There is no trail from any lead .
    These guys have been put through hell by suit wearing lazy jealous people  - if serious fraud office arrest someone they are in court and charged in a month - tell me what is happening in INCA? 
    Totally not fair !
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    tasman man 11 reacted to JackSprat in Inca the stinker   
    I've certainly not claimed that the game is 100% clean. There always have been, and always will be people trying to game the system to gain an advantage. Mostly pushing the boundaries of legality, and occasionally overstepping the mark. That's human nature in any form of competition.
    What I will say is that the game is the cleanest at the moment that I've seen in my long involvement on both sides of the Tasman.
    Yes Operation Inca will eventually pin something on somebody, but it won't be in the realm of race fixing. It'll be misdemeanour level stuff that is part and parcel of any competitive environment.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Stables in Inca the stinker   
    Well written Jack.....you show potential ,if age on your side !
    The thing that troubles me is why/how the RIU thought it necessary to involve the police ,who were quick to announce INCA was a widespread investigation involving many incidents.
    All the talk here is around one lowly Nelson race ,which from memory chief believer WAP convinced us involved a mountain of money , yet at the time there was talk of Central Districts owners,punters , party drugs , weapons ,Group 1 races ,more party drugs hair dressers etc etc being involved along with our two top drivers ! A far reaching web of criminal activity.
    The RIU helps itself to a ton of funding as  the 'policemen' of our sport/industry ,yet they bring in the police who are perennially short handed in NZ.....and still they waste time on this !
    The Nelson race referred to was well over a year ago ,investigations ,undercover tapping etc has gone on much longer.
    Then I go to the Jewels and see false starts being called in races ,which seemed to be in violation of the 'rules of racing' then find out the Canterbury starter is a paid member of the RIU .
    Kinda confusing.......seems RIU not doing what mean't to be doing ,and not using its funding correctly.
    imagine in Rugby if every time there was a tip tackle or eye gouge or party drug that the police were called in !!!!!
    Some will argue that certain acts /dishonesty need to be escalated to 'criminal activity'.
    Shame on the RIU....bringing disrepute into the Industry they mean't to be watching over !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from john legend in Word on the streets is   
    Good to see you now looking for solutions for our fading industry John.
    Dunno if galloping grizzlies can help much though I impressed they were watching 'harness' but maybe thats because most of the participants are strong in galloping......Rogerson ,Northcott ,Wenn ,Cameron ,Medcalfe to name a few !I used to live in a galloping district too but then they woke up one year and most had left.
    Dunno if that code is travelling so well these days either .......many cynics had a field day with  recent happenings like tracks ,postponements ,lack of jockeys and the jumping races fuel that fire...had to roll the eyes in a recent jumps race at Wingatui when two of the field just slipped on the track at Puddle Alley corner ,apparently never to be seen again !
    Any way, Harness in the North faces greater challenges...the two big ones are the solvency of the ATC and the lack of horses to even hold the races ! Had the South Island horses not arrived of late ,meetings would have been canned at ATC. The ongoing stench of INCA and the Government's [and public's] growing dislike of 'gambling on horses' not helping .
    I'm sure Jack was pleased ATC held a 'proper' meeting on Friday with 5 of the eight races being won by $1.20 to $1.50 favourites  and two at $3.- something,  races being processions of 6 horse fields !
    Then there's the small issue of only a few senior drivers getting a handful of drives with DButcher,JDickie and Poutama getting one each while only 4 x juniors got a drive [ 1 got 2].Then who will be training in the North in a few years with some of the big breeders/syndicators asking if its worth continuing.
    Keep those ideas coming John.
    But don't pay too much attention to the galloping grizzlies !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from We're Doomed in Word on the streets is   
    A bit tough on the riders as I believe they mostly are accomplished horse people with a lot of skill ,certainly a lot of gutz !
    Several of the riders have ridden in thoroughbred races ,others ridden in montes overseas where they are common and popular.
    Montes were new in NZ....seemed to be given an extended lease of life to some older horses who love to race e.g. Cool Kahli and Bert Munro.
    Bert was the horse who hadn't been under saddle for weeks...he won the race last Friday !
    It was really exciting IMO....harness followers complain about sit sprint racing ,boring favs winning and procession races [even the jewels].
    Watch the monte....the start was exhilirating , all horses right on the gate exactly even.
    IMO the mobile was too fast to start...should have been a stand !
    One horse just went too fast and broke ,but the field soon bunched and all girls were competitive [no males], one went 3 wide !
    Again it was so exciting when the pressure went on at 600m and winner made its move....a couple broke ,but at the 300m there was 4 of 7 still into win.
    Up the straight and it was a close finish between the horses with good previous Monte records......the fav and the winner Bert.
    What a dividend for a form Monte performer.....these were all monte non-winners !
    Unfortunately there was excessive breakers and some disqualifications...similar to most non-winner trotting races !
    Most meetings have several horses tailed off ,pulled up or disqualified...this latter group was exaggerated by fact that race only had 7 starters for 4 dividend paying positions.
    All horses paid a divvy.....First 4 's !
    This race was different and very exhilirating.....something NEW !
    Sure they should trial more and I'd suggest a stand start which can handicap the winners !
    But anything worth doing is worth doing poorly at first ......only way to learn.
    This was a non-winners monte ,so several other horses [better ones?] in wings.
    Some winning jockeys not there either.....so cream of crop not there.
    But these girls IMO turned on a great show so well done to them...skilful and gutzy !
    Nice ride Tayla....winning with a smile !And the others too !
    As to Betting on them.......horse racing is a gamble !
    What a dividend.....thanks Bert and Invictus......I see an ad coming !...great trifecta !
    Integrity......haha......I won't list what I could.......could be seen as an oxymoron !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Hermione in If u had to choose   
    Probably......kinda my point.
    Participants need to sit down and disclose what horses they have and what races they will line up in !
    Only certain trainers/ owners in north will feel for the plight of the junior driver  or have horses for that particular grade.
    Once you know this information then the program can be planned.
    If me and my mates bring ' 6 x Amateur horses' from the South we want to know there are races for these horses and that they not merged into races with horses than can run 2.40 for 2200m !
    And ,once again ,if horses aren't conjured up soon ATC meetings will be canned.Each time this happens $140k plus will not be distributed in stakes and the demise will speed up.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from what a post in If u had to choose   
    The exodus of young  committed people leaving the Northern area is already a big concern ,with Jack MacK , Troy L , Jacob W and others quite recently.A trainer also told me he purchased a horse or two to train to keep a Junior driver in the cart. Respect to that man !
    But the big issue  in Northern harness, without doubt is the lack of horses ......surely the fields this Friday with 66 horses is a clear indicator of this !
    This is desperate times ....there needs to be desperate measures...not next year ,but now.
    Hence I support both Amateur races and Montes being considered and being programmed to enable ATC to just hold their planned meetings.
    The Montes need to be handicaps with a stand start ,and the field from last Friday[ 7 x Monte maidens ] plus past winners could increase numbers .
    Amateur horses are established now and that class of horse should continue to race much longer ,with connections knowing they can earn part of their keep because they are racing similar standard horses. There may be two "Amateur Horse " races every night. One with Junior or pro drivers and one with Amateur drivers.
    Bring in claiming prices on horses too ,so maybe groups of people can experience ownership for a few months and experience the 'highs and lows' of ownership.
    Industry participants need to get their collective heads together to sort these issues out. Maybe the stables who appear not to be racing horses at present are in fact on their way out and have no intention of racing horses....the ATC should have a list of all horses intending to trial/race in the following month so they can plan and adapt their fields .Maybe a lot on holiday ??
    In recent months a number of horses have come from down south ...great......but as Rod Croon [CEO] said at last weeks meeting ,without them some meetings could not have gone ahead.
    So the situation already desperate.
    Lincoln Farms announced they currently only racing two year olds , that they own ...they train a few older ones sent north by an  owner.
    The main participants this Friday appear to be the Wallis/Hackett stable who 98% train trotters and the irrepressible T.Vince !Good one guys !
    Where are the others ?
    And as the 1 - win and above horses are often not racing 'like v like' they likely to be sold overseas by the sellers lurking behind the stable door sensing owners frustration at the rising costs and the reality of their horse being uncompetitive.
     
    An "Amateur Horse' should be able to earn its keep !
    Northern Racing need them right now !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Hermione in If u had to choose   
    Probably......kinda my point.
    Participants need to sit down and disclose what horses they have and what races they will line up in !
    Only certain trainers/ owners in north will feel for the plight of the junior driver  or have horses for that particular grade.
    Once you know this information then the program can be planned.
    If me and my mates bring ' 6 x Amateur horses' from the South we want to know there are races for these horses and that they not merged into races with horses than can run 2.40 for 2200m !
    And ,once again ,if horses aren't conjured up soon ATC meetings will be canned.Each time this happens $140k plus will not be distributed in stakes and the demise will speed up.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from what a post in If u had to choose   
    The exodus of young  committed people leaving the Northern area is already a big concern ,with Jack MacK , Troy L , Jacob W and others quite recently.A trainer also told me he purchased a horse or two to train to keep a Junior driver in the cart. Respect to that man !
    But the big issue  in Northern harness, without doubt is the lack of horses ......surely the fields this Friday with 66 horses is a clear indicator of this !
    This is desperate times ....there needs to be desperate measures...not next year ,but now.
    Hence I support both Amateur races and Montes being considered and being programmed to enable ATC to just hold their planned meetings.
    The Montes need to be handicaps with a stand start ,and the field from last Friday[ 7 x Monte maidens ] plus past winners could increase numbers .
    Amateur horses are established now and that class of horse should continue to race much longer ,with connections knowing they can earn part of their keep because they are racing similar standard horses. There may be two "Amateur Horse " races every night. One with Junior or pro drivers and one with Amateur drivers.
    Bring in claiming prices on horses too ,so maybe groups of people can experience ownership for a few months and experience the 'highs and lows' of ownership.
    Industry participants need to get their collective heads together to sort these issues out. Maybe the stables who appear not to be racing horses at present are in fact on their way out and have no intention of racing horses....the ATC should have a list of all horses intending to trial/race in the following month so they can plan and adapt their fields .Maybe a lot on holiday ??
    In recent months a number of horses have come from down south ...great......but as Rod Croon [CEO] said at last weeks meeting ,without them some meetings could not have gone ahead.
    So the situation already desperate.
    Lincoln Farms announced they currently only racing two year olds , that they own ...they train a few older ones sent north by an  owner.
    The main participants this Friday appear to be the Wallis/Hackett stable who 98% train trotters and the irrepressible T.Vince !Good one guys !
    Where are the others ?
    And as the 1 - win and above horses are often not racing 'like v like' they likely to be sold overseas by the sellers lurking behind the stable door sensing owners frustration at the rising costs and the reality of their horse being uncompetitive.
     
    An "Amateur Horse' should be able to earn its keep !
    Northern Racing need them right now !
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from flockofewes2 in How y’all looking now   
    A general comment to Berri.
    Berri ,I have been reading race cafe and making the odd comment for around 15 years.....a bit after Brew.
    You have been coming up with many excellent suggestions and some IMHO not so bright.
    Still you persist even though interest in horse racing in NZ has gone backwards at the rate of knots. Kiwis now simply are not interested in punting on horses.
    yes they love a meat raffle , Lotto and a gamble on something, especially sport which is  only growing sector in NZ punting....and property speculation !
    But interest in horses is shrinking , and tho many will go annually on a 'special' occasion......Boxing day or Melbourne Cup day ....most young people and immigrants don't give a damn.
    Owning horses is too expensive for kiwis and stakes are miserable.....we still run $10,000k races [many] and our population is too small for a dramatic turn around.Aussie has over 4 x times our population plus have not lost their racing DNA.
    Add in the TAB....they don't want winning punters ,they turn down the business of big punters.Big punters aren't offered generous odds or huge Hong Kong type pools like Lotto ! The TAB has to make money and has a lotto of staff and infrastructure to pay.
    So the few big punters around are likely to be winners so the NZ TAB bans them.
    How can the Industry survive in NZ ?
    NZ 's past had a time when a high % of people punted on horses...on the TAB ,and attended race meetings cos FA else to do.Money was scarce ,wants were minimal , little entertainment around and you certainly couldn't spend overseas.Most loved a flutter on horses.Your interest grew in that era.
    NZ's racing product is poor...a good breeding ground and place to grow but no good to race and no good to bet.
    Work the future and any of your ideas around that reality.
    I am a positive person.....on most things , but not Horse racing and punting !