tasman man 11

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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Cubes in Mrs Cubes gets grumpy with the TAB   
    Bloody poor show Cubes if this not paid. Contact John Allen personally !
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    tasman man 11 reacted to Boss Hogg in The good old days   
    Remember the good old days about six months ago when on a Saturday morning you sprung out of bed and skipped down the hall to the kitchen giving the missus a cuddle and a kiss .Sitting down at the table opening your laptop and spending a couple of hours going thru all the fields .
    You get your bacon and eggs while you put your bets together ew bets done multis done doubles done pick6 done ahh life was easy.Outside the kitchen window the birds are cherping in your favorite bottle brush tree boy they sound great .Giving the missus a little kiss goodbye you wonder down to the pub to compare and discuss your bets with your mates .Happy hour is on so a nice jug of Speights and a few bets life it doesnt get much better for an old digger.
    Fast forward six months Saturday morning you wake up knowing you have a mission you look down the hall it seems longer and narrower you finally reach the kitchen giving the missus a knowing nod. You circle the table and open laptop to tab,yeap click on buffering click buffering scratching click scroll,scroll on to feilds ,network down please click to restart.Click buffering scroll on and on .
    Breakfast arrives, it is muesli, seems that recently my blood pressure has risen sharply and wife says its good for me I can hear those f##*en birds squawking in the bottle brush tree must get the chainsaw out and chop that tree down.Not sure what bets I"ve on decide to watch an episode of Chernobyl to put me into a happier frame of mind to go to pub.
    Walking into pub which has changed hands two nice young chaps who have turned it into a craft beer bar,the tab is gone as takings were down and a Kiosk was put in which doesnt work because of technical problems, Im no technician but I think the axe sticking out of the screen after Bluey couldnt get his money out might be the problem.I walk over to the boys table with my handle that looks like horse piss and whiskey chaser.No one is saying much just mumbling about dont think their bets are on ,network down click on and try again .Its not good seeing grown men crying so decide to go home to watch big races from Wellington..Wife is watching boxset of Married and the First one in the sack on the big tv so watch on small tv in kitchen the big race was so close but no photo finish what were the numbers ?Waiting for judges call ,noooo Sweeeeenys burbling on no call Ahhhhh were did it all go wrong I sit with my head in my hands. Thats all I've got to say about that.
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Thejanitor in Turn it Up-Operation   
    Very thoughtful of you WAP to piggy back on the opening post informing of the horses knee issues getting treatment and a note of encouragement to one of the owners.
    As you say this was mentioned in the media and ongoing information regularly updated on the stable website.
    However even though all this information is in the public demand you add your own twist...."the stable though has a high % of horses with injuries".
    A high %%%%%%%......what is a high %. Is it higher than usual ,higher by industry norms , a higher %  than other ?
    Is this statement FACTUAL or a WAP guess.?
    I know they have more horses than others ,regularly running in big races at breakneck speed ,several doing a lot of travel and contesting a good number of races per horse . Individual programs seem well managed .
    Then your post attracts a tag from Jack....."you are right"....."quite an amazing attrition rate ".
    Another negative knife goes in.
    Jack would like that a list be made public , but doubts it would happen !.....conspiracy ?
    But isn't the information freely available on the stable website.....all stable racehorses are named and progress is updated regularly. Jack suggests 'secrecy' when the stable is not only the biggest but is open to the media as well.
    Maybe Jack refers to horses that never make it from the breakers but go to other trainers....Ive had shares in a couple of these....rejects !
    The stable obviously targets the group races , but the owners retain ultimate control hence several horses are sold at various stages.....the records of horses like Arden Rooney ,Messini etc suggest their horses are durable and last.There are dozens having long careers in Perth and South Australia as well as the main states.
    Turn It Up has had a brilliant career...had a low key start to racing in lesser races then was sprung into the NZ Free For All after a big handful of starts and has raced in Group races since. He's being looked after. Is he their TOP 4 yr old ? Ahead of Thefixer and Spankem on results to date ?
    I note the Whitelocks have retired Kayla Maree to the breeding barn after earning $200k in a brief career ,when clearly a step below the top fillies.Their top filly Princess Tiffany is continuing but such is the meticulous planning and care of the horses welfare that she was sent to Matamata for a complete health check recently.
    Personally I marvel at the care and attention these horses get and Im confident it contributes to their success........as to a bit of soreness among young trotters ,it happens.
    From personal experience I know bone chips ,slivers ,feet issues ,growing pains etc are very common and recently I had shares in two[elsewhere] which were kicked by their paddock mates and that can do damage too. 
    Me thinks jealousy and envy is very much alive.......if things are reported in the media and the stable website ,why the need to suggest you know better ?
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Thejanitor in Turn it Up-Operation   
    Very thoughtful of you WAP to piggy back on the opening post informing of the horses knee issues getting treatment and a note of encouragement to one of the owners.
    As you say this was mentioned in the media and ongoing information regularly updated on the stable website.
    However even though all this information is in the public demand you add your own twist...."the stable though has a high % of horses with injuries".
    A high %%%%%%%......what is a high %. Is it higher than usual ,higher by industry norms , a higher %  than other ?
    Is this statement FACTUAL or a WAP guess.?
    I know they have more horses than others ,regularly running in big races at breakneck speed ,several doing a lot of travel and contesting a good number of races per horse . Individual programs seem well managed .
    Then your post attracts a tag from Jack....."you are right"....."quite an amazing attrition rate ".
    Another negative knife goes in.
    Jack would like that a list be made public , but doubts it would happen !.....conspiracy ?
    But isn't the information freely available on the stable website.....all stable racehorses are named and progress is updated regularly. Jack suggests 'secrecy' when the stable is not only the biggest but is open to the media as well.
    Maybe Jack refers to horses that never make it from the breakers but go to other trainers....Ive had shares in a couple of these....rejects !
    The stable obviously targets the group races , but the owners retain ultimate control hence several horses are sold at various stages.....the records of horses like Arden Rooney ,Messini etc suggest their horses are durable and last.There are dozens having long careers in Perth and South Australia as well as the main states.
    Turn It Up has had a brilliant career...had a low key start to racing in lesser races then was sprung into the NZ Free For All after a big handful of starts and has raced in Group races since. He's being looked after. Is he their TOP 4 yr old ? Ahead of Thefixer and Spankem on results to date ?
    I note the Whitelocks have retired Kayla Maree to the breeding barn after earning $200k in a brief career ,when clearly a step below the top fillies.Their top filly Princess Tiffany is continuing but such is the meticulous planning and care of the horses welfare that she was sent to Matamata for a complete health check recently.
    Personally I marvel at the care and attention these horses get and Im confident it contributes to their success........as to a bit of soreness among young trotters ,it happens.
    From personal experience I know bone chips ,slivers ,feet issues ,growing pains etc are very common and recently I had shares in two[elsewhere] which were kicked by their paddock mates and that can do damage too. 
    Me thinks jealousy and envy is very much alive.......if things are reported in the media and the stable website ,why the need to suggest you know better ?
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from JJ Flash in Turn it Up-Operation   
    My experience with many horses spread around many different trainers leaves me with a different perspective .
    I actually admire their horsemanship in recognising issues and then seeking the medical attention to correct things.Of course the owners pay for the treatment but the horses earning capacity often extended.
    High profile examples like Turn It Up get the headlines and its story to me is one to be admired. The horse is placed superbly thru its 3 and 4 yr old career racing brilliantly in top races .....no lameness..wins the Jewels.
    MP senses a niggle , does the tests and finds there is some small problem so nips it in the bud before it becomes a big problem....masterly horsemanship I say.
    Race on and things could be much worse.MP can do the right thing for the horse particularly as his stable has 4 or 5 others who can be set for the races the re-hab horse could be chasing.
    Many horses are asked to race on with issues ....many horses...if a trainer has one top horse his reputation/future may depend on it.
    My personal experience tells me that the best horses seem to try harder so are more prone to some injuries/issues.....many of my best have had very short careers ,sadly.
    I admire horse people who can manage horses that others would discard....I have experience of some in both codes.
    A couple of years back an old school friend self taught himself in harness ,developed a Group 1 performer and was getting constantly bagged not only on social media but also in the press......he is/will be breaking horses down etc by starting them off too early ..high attrition was the phrase then too.
    I spent a morning at his stable ,had lunch etc and talked horses.It turns out his horses were very happy hardly ever saw a vet and most [ all his horses were for sale] raced for very long careers.
    But its easy to sit at home get eaten up  envy at other peoples success and quote perceptions and gossip as 'facts'.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Thejanitor in Turn it Up-Operation   
    Very thoughtful of you WAP to piggy back on the opening post informing of the horses knee issues getting treatment and a note of encouragement to one of the owners.
    As you say this was mentioned in the media and ongoing information regularly updated on the stable website.
    However even though all this information is in the public demand you add your own twist...."the stable though has a high % of horses with injuries".
    A high %%%%%%%......what is a high %. Is it higher than usual ,higher by industry norms , a higher %  than other ?
    Is this statement FACTUAL or a WAP guess.?
    I know they have more horses than others ,regularly running in big races at breakneck speed ,several doing a lot of travel and contesting a good number of races per horse . Individual programs seem well managed .
    Then your post attracts a tag from Jack....."you are right"....."quite an amazing attrition rate ".
    Another negative knife goes in.
    Jack would like that a list be made public , but doubts it would happen !.....conspiracy ?
    But isn't the information freely available on the stable website.....all stable racehorses are named and progress is updated regularly. Jack suggests 'secrecy' when the stable is not only the biggest but is open to the media as well.
    Maybe Jack refers to horses that never make it from the breakers but go to other trainers....Ive had shares in a couple of these....rejects !
    The stable obviously targets the group races , but the owners retain ultimate control hence several horses are sold at various stages.....the records of horses like Arden Rooney ,Messini etc suggest their horses are durable and last.There are dozens having long careers in Perth and South Australia as well as the main states.
    Turn It Up has had a brilliant career...had a low key start to racing in lesser races then was sprung into the NZ Free For All after a big handful of starts and has raced in Group races since. He's being looked after. Is he their TOP 4 yr old ? Ahead of Thefixer and Spankem on results to date ?
    I note the Whitelocks have retired Kayla Maree to the breeding barn after earning $200k in a brief career ,when clearly a step below the top fillies.Their top filly Princess Tiffany is continuing but such is the meticulous planning and care of the horses welfare that she was sent to Matamata for a complete health check recently.
    Personally I marvel at the care and attention these horses get and Im confident it contributes to their success........as to a bit of soreness among young trotters ,it happens.
    From personal experience I know bone chips ,slivers ,feet issues ,growing pains etc are very common and recently I had shares in two[elsewhere] which were kicked by their paddock mates and that can do damage too. 
    Me thinks jealousy and envy is very much alive.......if things are reported in the media and the stable website ,why the need to suggest you know better ?
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from JJ Flash in Turn it Up-Operation   
    My experience with many horses spread around many different trainers leaves me with a different perspective .
    I actually admire their horsemanship in recognising issues and then seeking the medical attention to correct things.Of course the owners pay for the treatment but the horses earning capacity often extended.
    High profile examples like Turn It Up get the headlines and its story to me is one to be admired. The horse is placed superbly thru its 3 and 4 yr old career racing brilliantly in top races .....no lameness..wins the Jewels.
    MP senses a niggle , does the tests and finds there is some small problem so nips it in the bud before it becomes a big problem....masterly horsemanship I say.
    Race on and things could be much worse.MP can do the right thing for the horse particularly as his stable has 4 or 5 others who can be set for the races the re-hab horse could be chasing.
    Many horses are asked to race on with issues ....many horses...if a trainer has one top horse his reputation/future may depend on it.
    My personal experience tells me that the best horses seem to try harder so are more prone to some injuries/issues.....many of my best have had very short careers ,sadly.
    I admire horse people who can manage horses that others would discard....I have experience of some in both codes.
    A couple of years back an old school friend self taught himself in harness ,developed a Group 1 performer and was getting constantly bagged not only on social media but also in the press......he is/will be breaking horses down etc by starting them off too early ..high attrition was the phrase then too.
    I spent a morning at his stable ,had lunch etc and talked horses.It turns out his horses were very happy hardly ever saw a vet and most [ all his horses were for sale] raced for very long careers.
    But its easy to sit at home get eaten up  envy at other peoples success and quote perceptions and gossip as 'facts'.
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    tasman man 11 reacted to JJ Flash in Turn it Up-Operation   
    Im in full accordance and agreement with everything you posted TM. Any good trainer wil tell you that most injuries occur to those animals with the most abilty as they  try harder. It happens in both codes as well with TB's having many knee and joint issues that require chips removed etc.
     
    Greg
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from JJ Flash in Turn it Up-Operation   
    My experience with many horses spread around many different trainers leaves me with a different perspective .
    I actually admire their horsemanship in recognising issues and then seeking the medical attention to correct things.Of course the owners pay for the treatment but the horses earning capacity often extended.
    High profile examples like Turn It Up get the headlines and its story to me is one to be admired. The horse is placed superbly thru its 3 and 4 yr old career racing brilliantly in top races .....no lameness..wins the Jewels.
    MP senses a niggle , does the tests and finds there is some small problem so nips it in the bud before it becomes a big problem....masterly horsemanship I say.
    Race on and things could be much worse.MP can do the right thing for the horse particularly as his stable has 4 or 5 others who can be set for the races the re-hab horse could be chasing.
    Many horses are asked to race on with issues ....many horses...if a trainer has one top horse his reputation/future may depend on it.
    My personal experience tells me that the best horses seem to try harder so are more prone to some injuries/issues.....many of my best have had very short careers ,sadly.
    I admire horse people who can manage horses that others would discard....I have experience of some in both codes.
    A couple of years back an old school friend self taught himself in harness ,developed a Group 1 performer and was getting constantly bagged not only on social media but also in the press......he is/will be breaking horses down etc by starting them off too early ..high attrition was the phrase then too.
    I spent a morning at his stable ,had lunch etc and talked horses.It turns out his horses were very happy hardly ever saw a vet and most [ all his horses were for sale] raced for very long careers.
    But its easy to sit at home get eaten up  envy at other peoples success and quote perceptions and gossip as 'facts'.
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    tasman man 11 reacted to slam dunk in National may scrap Super Gold Card   
    I queried why for the new TAB online ID requirements  the Super Gold Card was not listed as a form of ID. The response being "The Gold Card is not permanent and may be scrapped by a National Government" Seemingly inside knowledge as the Racing Board is stacked with National activists.
    I despise any business that after dealing with them for forty years suddenly they ask for extra ID. Thats the worst form of public relations I can think of. "F**K you we couldn't care a hoot if you were dealing with us for 100 years" That's the TAB attitude.
    The TAB have taken the money laundering laws to another level. i.e.Their own. The act is not as restrictive as the TAB makes out. There is leeway for businesses to use their discretion. Some acknowledgement of loyalty would be appreciated.
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    tasman man 11 reacted to eljay in It's finally   
    Tassie - the traffic should be no problem to you on your treadle pedal!      
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Patiti in It's finally   
    Of course it happens but surely a number of horses should not be solely running around week after week to lose points so they then have a chance to place.
    Asking participants what they want would be a good starting point  , can't please everyone but may be some common ground there.
    Anyway the special ATC AGM is being held next week and they are holding 2 x workshops for members prior.
    The first is at 6.30pm tonight.
    Second  at 4.30pm Friday.
    If anyone can't make these bit has some crucial/sensible questions they want answered or some game changing ideas then state on here NOW and I will endeavour to make the effort to ask them,
    Before 5.15pm please as I will have to fight the traffic to make it !.....its a little further than a 9 iron !
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    tasman man 11 reacted to SMD is rife in waimate   
    What meeting was that? Would have lucky to have been 2000 people.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Patiti in It's finally   
    I guess we will know a lot more in the next week.
    Certainly needs to be dramatic changes in thinking.
    Between Auckland and Waikato there are still enough horses for a program with decent sized fields but last week there were 2 x meetings in 2 x days plus 40 plus horses at trials and workouts plus the over 20 horses returning from Jewels some of whom will keep racing.
    It needs to be planned better plus ATC will need to swallow pride and realise the quality has largely gone
    No Doctor Needed no longer apt.....time for an About Turn ,a Changeover or MT Pockets will be On The Cards. Such Fun again !
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Patiti in It's finally   
    I guess we will know a lot more in the next week.
    Certainly needs to be dramatic changes in thinking.
    Between Auckland and Waikato there are still enough horses for a program with decent sized fields but last week there were 2 x meetings in 2 x days plus 40 plus horses at trials and workouts plus the over 20 horses returning from Jewels some of whom will keep racing.
    It needs to be planned better plus ATC will need to swallow pride and realise the quality has largely gone
    No Doctor Needed no longer apt.....time for an About Turn ,a Changeover or MT Pockets will be On The Cards. Such Fun again !
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from Patiti in It's finally   
    I guess we will know a lot more in the next week.
    Certainly needs to be dramatic changes in thinking.
    Between Auckland and Waikato there are still enough horses for a program with decent sized fields but last week there were 2 x meetings in 2 x days plus 40 plus horses at trials and workouts plus the over 20 horses returning from Jewels some of whom will keep racing.
    It needs to be planned better plus ATC will need to swallow pride and realise the quality has largely gone
    No Doctor Needed no longer apt.....time for an About Turn ,a Changeover or MT Pockets will be On The Cards. Such Fun again !
     
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    tasman man 11 reacted to tripple alliance in waimate   
    How much more proof do you need that restructuring is imperative , one of the reasons stakes have fallen is the bottom has been propped up at the expense of the better grades , money down the drain .
    Racing must change , it's in a similar position to where movie theatres were when home video were all the rage , they restructured , went upmarket , comfortable seats , coffee and food delivered to your seat , they turned going to the movies into a desirable experience and have never looked back , it can be done but not with crap facility's in the middle of nowhere , it's time to wipe the board clean and rebuild . Do nothing and failure is guaranteed 
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from We're Doomed in Only   
    IMO the ATC's intention's were sincere and sound to future proof the sport.
    Promise good sustainable stakes with budgeted increased cash flow from the apartments and retail rentals of their developments.
    It was expected this would give owners and trainers the confidence to increase horse numbers.
    As a newcomer to club I asked at a  recent AGM why more 'like v like' races weren't planned among lesser grade horses including even amateur type of horses to get the field sizes up and the answer was that ATC should be catering for and aiming for a better quality of racing.
    This answer infers that the lower classes belonged at Cambridge etc.This would be OK except that horse numbers have continued to dive in the North.
    A couple of my syndicate horses have been sold but when races are cancelled through lack of entries or you are racing in wide bands of ratings and your horse has little or no show of even placing ,then it soon leads to moving them on.Then the rating system which can hammer your chances adds to the frustration.
    What is puzzling to me is the fact that the ATC and Cambridge don't control the calendar and programming and work together to ensure even decent sized fields.
    e.g. this week.....we are into winter racing now so instead of having 2 x meetings in two days with fields patched together...only 7 races at ATC surely a record low.....there should have been just the one meeting with decent sized and more even fields.Surely a win /win/win.All horses racing for better stakes ,more like v like , a better spectacle for betting and one club can cool heels for a week !
    At this time ,desperate measures are needed and though you would not cancel a meeting a very short notice , some flexibility and collaboration would surely have a better outcome.
    There are the horses in Waikato/Auckland area ....but expenses are much higher than in south ,even feed I believe.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from We're Doomed in Only   
    IMO the ATC's intention's were sincere and sound to future proof the sport.
    Promise good sustainable stakes with budgeted increased cash flow from the apartments and retail rentals of their developments.
    It was expected this would give owners and trainers the confidence to increase horse numbers.
    As a newcomer to club I asked at a  recent AGM why more 'like v like' races weren't planned among lesser grade horses including even amateur type of horses to get the field sizes up and the answer was that ATC should be catering for and aiming for a better quality of racing.
    This answer infers that the lower classes belonged at Cambridge etc.This would be OK except that horse numbers have continued to dive in the North.
    A couple of my syndicate horses have been sold but when races are cancelled through lack of entries or you are racing in wide bands of ratings and your horse has little or no show of even placing ,then it soon leads to moving them on.Then the rating system which can hammer your chances adds to the frustration.
    What is puzzling to me is the fact that the ATC and Cambridge don't control the calendar and programming and work together to ensure even decent sized fields.
    e.g. this week.....we are into winter racing now so instead of having 2 x meetings in two days with fields patched together...only 7 races at ATC surely a record low.....there should have been just the one meeting with decent sized and more even fields.Surely a win /win/win.All horses racing for better stakes ,more like v like , a better spectacle for betting and one club can cool heels for a week !
    At this time ,desperate measures are needed and though you would not cancel a meeting a very short notice , some flexibility and collaboration would surely have a better outcome.
    There are the horses in Waikato/Auckland area ....but expenses are much higher than in south ,even feed I believe.
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from We're Doomed in Only   
    IMO the ATC's intention's were sincere and sound to future proof the sport.
    Promise good sustainable stakes with budgeted increased cash flow from the apartments and retail rentals of their developments.
    It was expected this would give owners and trainers the confidence to increase horse numbers.
    As a newcomer to club I asked at a  recent AGM why more 'like v like' races weren't planned among lesser grade horses including even amateur type of horses to get the field sizes up and the answer was that ATC should be catering for and aiming for a better quality of racing.
    This answer infers that the lower classes belonged at Cambridge etc.This would be OK except that horse numbers have continued to dive in the North.
    A couple of my syndicate horses have been sold but when races are cancelled through lack of entries or you are racing in wide bands of ratings and your horse has little or no show of even placing ,then it soon leads to moving them on.Then the rating system which can hammer your chances adds to the frustration.
    What is puzzling to me is the fact that the ATC and Cambridge don't control the calendar and programming and work together to ensure even decent sized fields.
    e.g. this week.....we are into winter racing now so instead of having 2 x meetings in two days with fields patched together...only 7 races at ATC surely a record low.....there should have been just the one meeting with decent sized and more even fields.Surely a win /win/win.All horses racing for better stakes ,more like v like , a better spectacle for betting and one club can cool heels for a week !
    At this time ,desperate measures are needed and though you would not cancel a meeting a very short notice , some flexibility and collaboration would surely have a better outcome.
    There are the horses in Waikato/Auckland area ....but expenses are much higher than in south ,even feed I believe.
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    tasman man 11 reacted to westview in jewels fields   
    Cheers Tasman and Col , the highlight on the day for me was the cheer Spellbound got when she was called in second. On the day 675 owners were represented on the track of which 250 were involved with Spellbound , next year I want 350.
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    tasman man 11 reacted to Stables in Only   
    It says that going by the stakes that the ATC are paying and the official information available, the club is thriving and any other opinion is based on conjecture and heresay, not fact
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from chelseacol in jewels fields   
    And I noticed Nigel the Westview man doing sterling work in a number of roles.
    Firstly ,his witches syndicate was in glowing form and attendance , their horse ran a valiant second , and he was out in the elements ensuring after race rituals were carried out as planned during the rest of the day !
    Great job westview.......well done !
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    tasman man 11 reacted to chelseacol in jewels fields   
    Well said Tasman
    Nigel certainly loves the game and puts in the hard yards - as does Belinda.
     
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    tasman man 11 got a reaction from chelseacol in jewels fields   
    And I noticed Nigel the Westview man doing sterling work in a number of roles.
    Firstly ,his witches syndicate was in glowing form and attendance , their horse ran a valiant second , and he was out in the elements ensuring after race rituals were carried out as planned during the rest of the day !
    Great job westview.......well done !