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    Can the Auckland Trotting Club survive?

    "And I was thinking to myself, This could be heaven or this could be Hell , Then Tim lit up a candle and showed me the way "...............it's a lovely place ! And in the room we will invite all the big hitters ,especially those with the big ideas and money.....the NZRB ,Local Government , NZ Harness , even Auckland Racing Club etc , folk who should see it in their best interest to make ATC great again. But most of all the participants ,those who put the show on ....and many younger folk who will continue to put the big dance on long into the future ! Are they out there ?
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    mick guerin

    Unsure re this comment !! Did he get it wrong ? If he did , is this a big deal or game changer ? On the HRNZ website under Harness gears it pretty much confirms that spreaders are used on horses front legs to keep them apart while racing as to stop them striking their knees or shins. Please explain ?
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    Two

    I assume to keep faith with those that want to race along with the fact that the races were programmed. The much discussed Monte race is the saddle trot and it was advertised it would be a tote race [ for $6k] if 7 horses entered.So providing all start there will be 7 horses. I consider it similar to the two year old trots earlier in year .They were run for the advertised stake providing a minimum entry was received ,often there wasn't so they ran as a non-tote for $2k. Its absolutely demoralising if races programmed then not run ,and unfair to merge with older horses. The main trot had 9 entries but one stable been struck by virus so 3 x scratchings. It was going to be a good race even if very wide range so not like with like ,tho preferential draw .Also the main pace a very wide range ,so not like for like and highlights the lack of horses ......68 to 93 and 64 to 95 not ideal from mobile !I looked at nominations and feel they did all they could to put fields together.Unfair to advertise a non-winners Trot from mobile then merge with other horses ! Looking at the horses in recent weeks there has been an influx of South Horses [ including CD this week] so without those the meetings would be in jeopardy. June/ July also a good time to have a holiday ! The calendar and programs need looking at IMO.
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    mick guerin

    I hear on National Radio today media commentator Gavin Ellis made mention of Mick Guerin's journalism on the racing pages. He noted he puts 'human interest' into his racing stories. It seems like MG is a very talented Journalist .......knows an awful lot about Harness , learning more all the time about gallops and knows a lot of the big players. Add to this his knowledge on rugby ,his verbal talents ,he still looks good , he comfortable with MC roles and gets work with League as well and sports in general and one could conclude NZ Racing is lucky to have him. Brought up on the West Coast , surely the best pedigree around and putting more and more skin into the game with ownership he appears the complete package. Aussie harness use him and I gather he is currently on deck at Royal Ascot.....WOW ! I often read on here negative comments about his writing , his personality and his pronunciation etc. Is this just envy ? Yes I remember he was once sacked by NZ Racing Board.....but that 9 years ago...he well and truly back. He's very good IMO !
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    Can the Auckland Trotting Club survive?

    Well Tim , you and I have been discussing this situation most Fridays for past 4 years.......I even asked for a regular amateur race at an AGM to cater for the slower horses ! When possible savings are looked at to add a few pennies to the coffers ,maybe they/we [ its the member's club ] will cut down on some security folk e.g. the 3 who rallied around to move us from the stairs where we watch every race from ! Today relax by the pool and recharge those batteries , the club needs you and SW to be fighting fit to help put on the show / action . Bula Vinaka !
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    Can the Auckland Trotting Club survive?

    Good points john.........there were doubters from day 1 and obviously bad decisions were made early on with the project and particularly the choice of contractors etc. IMO its important to start with a 'clean slate ' on future plan and not get bogged down with the past , except not to repeat it. Desperate situations need urgent action and the major banker involved will be looking for significant monies to reduce its exposure. Collaboration from stakeholders is crucial and this not always evident in the Harness Industry....it seems .
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    Turn it Up-Operation

    Good memory there Jack I always been one to admire those with outstanding talents ,especially those from the wrong side of tracks. Plus if people treat me well ,and give me a bit of time I will support back strongly if I think a bit of balance necessary. I also put my head up to be shot at with A Clark and one of a few on here to support Tom Wood when he first started out. Plus I usually only talk from experience or from directly asking the person being savaged. I prefer good oil , not gossip or mother in law research. You should consider Journalism ...shame to waste your efforts on cafers only !
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    Mrs Cubes gets grumpy with the TAB

    Bloody poor show Cubes if this not paid. Contact John Allen personally !
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    Can the Auckland Trotting Club survive?

    Eternal optimist Tim , great win last night. But you can't train all the horses racing at AP....you need someone to race against ! As fast as the South horses coming in the sellers and others are vacating....last two weeks ,without you and the horses from South there would be NO meeting ! Relax by the pool now !
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    Can the Auckland Trotting Club survive?

    No doubt its a messy situation and Financially very shaky. Lets not forget its a Trotting club first and foremost and the ambitious yet risky development to future proof the racing side has had a massive set back. But with interest rates low and a reasonable outcome of current issues including getting the apartments and retail completed all should not be lost. But I feel it needs a new broom and the incoming CEO needs to act with the best Board and racing brains he can find. Start with a clean sheet.[ and big debt ! ] Cos the racing side needs attention ,costs in North are prohibitive and land values etc are encouraging current participants to move on and certainly not attracting young players in. The high stakes are not gimmicks they are essential just to stay in the game. Harness needs to work together....its staggering that Auckland /Cambridge have 5 [ I read somewhere ] back to back meetings next season again. ATC racing facilities are good ....running them into the ground and lowering stakes as some suggest will just speed up decline which IMO has been evident for some time. 40 odd race meetings a year cannot justify the current profile....these other business interests needed to sustain racing. Too many Auckland sports been troubled by internal politics / jealousy and non-collaboration.
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    Turn it Up-Operation

    Very thoughtful of you WAP to piggy back on the opening post informing of the horses knee issues getting treatment and a note of encouragement to one of the owners. As you say this was mentioned in the media and ongoing information regularly updated on the stable website. However even though all this information is in the public demand you add your own twist...."the stable though has a high % of horses with injuries". A high %%%%%%%......what is a high %. Is it higher than usual ,higher by industry norms , a higher % than other ? Is this statement FACTUAL or a WAP guess.? I know they have more horses than others ,regularly running in big races at breakneck speed ,several doing a lot of travel and contesting a good number of races per horse . Individual programs seem well managed . Then your post attracts a tag from Jack....."you are right"....."quite an amazing attrition rate ". Another negative knife goes in. Jack would like that a list be made public , but doubts it would happen !.....conspiracy ? But isn't the information freely available on the stable website.....all stable racehorses are named and progress is updated regularly. Jack suggests 'secrecy' when the stable is not only the biggest but is open to the media as well. Maybe Jack refers to horses that never make it from the breakers but go to other trainers....Ive had shares in a couple of these....rejects ! The stable obviously targets the group races , but the owners retain ultimate control hence several horses are sold at various stages.....the records of horses like Arden Rooney ,Messini etc suggest their horses are durable and last.There are dozens having long careers in Perth and South Australia as well as the main states. Turn It Up has had a brilliant career...had a low key start to racing in lesser races then was sprung into the NZ Free For All after a big handful of starts and has raced in Group races since. He's being looked after. Is he their TOP 4 yr old ? Ahead of Thefixer and Spankem on results to date ? I note the Whitelocks have retired Kayla Maree to the breeding barn after earning $200k in a brief career ,when clearly a step below the top fillies.Their top filly Princess Tiffany is continuing but such is the meticulous planning and care of the horses welfare that she was sent to Matamata for a complete health check recently. Personally I marvel at the care and attention these horses get and Im confident it contributes to their success........as to a bit of soreness among young trotters ,it happens. From personal experience I know bone chips ,slivers ,feet issues ,growing pains etc are very common and recently I had shares in two[elsewhere] which were kicked by their paddock mates and that can do damage too. Me thinks jealousy and envy is very much alive.......if things are reported in the media and the stable website ,why the need to suggest you know better ?
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    Turn it Up-Operation

    My experience with many horses spread around many different trainers leaves me with a different perspective . I actually admire their horsemanship in recognising issues and then seeking the medical attention to correct things.Of course the owners pay for the treatment but the horses earning capacity often extended. High profile examples like Turn It Up get the headlines and its story to me is one to be admired. The horse is placed superbly thru its 3 and 4 yr old career racing brilliantly in top races .....no lameness..wins the Jewels. MP senses a niggle , does the tests and finds there is some small problem so nips it in the bud before it becomes a big problem....masterly horsemanship I say. Race on and things could be much worse.MP can do the right thing for the horse particularly as his stable has 4 or 5 others who can be set for the races the re-hab horse could be chasing. Many horses are asked to race on with issues ....many horses...if a trainer has one top horse his reputation/future may depend on it. My personal experience tells me that the best horses seem to try harder so are more prone to some injuries/issues.....many of my best have had very short careers ,sadly. I admire horse people who can manage horses that others would discard....I have experience of some in both codes. A couple of years back an old school friend self taught himself in harness ,developed a Group 1 performer and was getting constantly bagged not only on social media but also in the press......he is/will be breaking horses down etc by starting them off too early ..high attrition was the phrase then too. I spent a morning at his stable ,had lunch etc and talked horses.It turns out his horses were very happy hardly ever saw a vet and most [ all his horses were for sale] raced for very long careers. But its easy to sit at home get eaten up envy at other peoples success and quote perceptions and gossip as 'facts'.
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    It's finally

    Of course it happens but surely a number of horses should not be solely running around week after week to lose points so they then have a chance to place. Asking participants what they want would be a good starting point , can't please everyone but may be some common ground there. Anyway the special ATC AGM is being held next week and they are holding 2 x workshops for members prior. The first is at 6.30pm tonight. Second at 4.30pm Friday. If anyone can't make these bit has some crucial/sensible questions they want answered or some game changing ideas then state on here NOW and I will endeavour to make the effort to ask them, Before 5.15pm please as I will have to fight the traffic to make it !.....its a little further than a 9 iron !
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    It's finally

    I guess we will know a lot more in the next week. Certainly needs to be dramatic changes in thinking. Between Auckland and Waikato there are still enough horses for a program with decent sized fields but last week there were 2 x meetings in 2 x days plus 40 plus horses at trials and workouts plus the over 20 horses returning from Jewels some of whom will keep racing. It needs to be planned better plus ATC will need to swallow pride and realise the quality has largely gone No Doctor Needed no longer apt.....time for an About Turn ,a Changeover or MT Pockets will be On The Cards. Such Fun again !
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    Only

    IMO the ATC's intention's were sincere and sound to future proof the sport. Promise good sustainable stakes with budgeted increased cash flow from the apartments and retail rentals of their developments. It was expected this would give owners and trainers the confidence to increase horse numbers. As a newcomer to club I asked at a recent AGM why more 'like v like' races weren't planned among lesser grade horses including even amateur type of horses to get the field sizes up and the answer was that ATC should be catering for and aiming for a better quality of racing. This answer infers that the lower classes belonged at Cambridge etc.This would be OK except that horse numbers have continued to dive in the North. A couple of my syndicate horses have been sold but when races are cancelled through lack of entries or you are racing in wide bands of ratings and your horse has little or no show of even placing ,then it soon leads to moving them on.Then the rating system which can hammer your chances adds to the frustration. What is puzzling to me is the fact that the ATC and Cambridge don't control the calendar and programming and work together to ensure even decent sized fields. e.g. this week.....we are into winter racing now so instead of having 2 x meetings in two days with fields patched together...only 7 races at ATC surely a record low.....there should have been just the one meeting with decent sized and more even fields.Surely a win /win/win.All horses racing for better stakes ,more like v like , a better spectacle for betting and one club can cool heels for a week ! At this time ,desperate measures are needed and though you would not cancel a meeting a very short notice , some flexibility and collaboration would surely have a better outcome. There are the horses in Waikato/Auckland area ....but expenses are much higher than in south ,even feed I believe.
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    Only

    Not sure eljay but as the Herald racing journalist and Trackside presenter I'd imagine MG only contracted for certain events at ATC. As you say the Special GM on 19 June should include an announcement re the current situation of the Building project. Rumours are that there have been serious issues past and ongoing so few in the club including the new CEO will know the exact position of the club as there must be much to unfold in the months ahed. MG then would not be privy to information before stakeholders including members. Im sure the clubs intentions re their harness meetings and future stakes are still relevant. The desire to future proof the club and sustain good racing was admirable but the lack of horses has been even more dramatic than decreasing breeding/foal numbers indicated. Fewer horses than predicted have come north from the South and horses in the Intermediate grades still being sold .
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    Only

    Yes Tim...nominations were dire ,I think they did a good job getting 7 together. Surely better planning with Cambridge is a 'no brainer'. Without your passion and others bringing a few north from South Island things would be worse ,if that possible ! I note there is a special AGM on June 19.
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    jewels fields

    And I noticed Nigel the Westview man doing sterling work in a number of roles. Firstly ,his witches syndicate was in glowing form and attendance , their horse ran a valiant second , and he was out in the elements ensuring after race rituals were carried out as planned during the rest of the day ! Great job westview.......well done !
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    Wow

    Well the anti racing folk sure knew about it. As usual they were out on the busy road with their " Horse Racing Kills " signs. As did all club members , all staff ,Board etc and horse owners in the dozens of syndicates and those who like a bet know Ellerslie was on. These days the number of people prepared to give 5 to 8 hours to a day at the races including travel is seriously limited. Even to see some good jumping races plus a few poor flat fields running for $10k.....a disgrace ! TV coverage ,now available on phones is now outstanding and easy to access ,ditto to have a bet. Interest in say 4 -5 races takes about 20 mins from anywhere in the province. Even live rugby faces the same challenges. To me , BGP [ Boys Get Paid] is the most exciting/ progressive movement I've seen for a long time and they made the effort to attend Addington on Saturday at the Harness Jewels. These are challenging times for Racing.
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    Wow

    It's a public holiday ,so racing should be popular especially as beaches and picnics not so popular in June. Fewer folk go to races these days ....and ways to turn this around are unknown ! But $10 k stakes are a disgrace !
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    jewels fields

    I'm sure the weather put off a good percentage of the potential walk up crowd ........it WAS that bad ! As a few posted on here , the day looked in doubt...I seriously wondered if the track would be usable and thought there could be a delay of up to 2 hours while the weather bomber ran out of steam.The forecast suggested things would get better. They did marginally. But Eljay ,as you say there was a lot of pre-sold attendance and I note a lot of people bet on their phones nowadays. The small punter is not too important when it comes to punting numbers ,John Allen confirmed this. Elite punters ,gold ,silver and bronze are the ones that matter.! The top 2% do over 56% of the turnover. Them the FACTS ! If you and your mates get washed out the door ......who cares ! And the TAB has lost a few of their huge punters recently !
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    jewels fields

    Not really cos its a grand final situation. All the other Group 1's for 2,3 and 4 yr olds are spread over the calendar and this is the final fling for the season. And as its contested by the biggest earners its something that you build up to. Sure a few of the qualifiers drop out ,are injured or need a spell but I think the concept is sound. It was designed originally to be shared around provincial tracks but really facilities and ability to run a 'showcase ' day doesn't really allow that. But the theory was sound. With June weather what it is ,especially in South ,it was bound to become an issue at some stage. The very first year [ in Ashburton ] a big issue was averted by a few days when on the Wednesday the track was covered in snow !
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    jewels fields

    Doubt it.....it's hard to believe how adverse the conditions were ,few people moved around and presentations etc just done inside yet speeches etc on the excellent sound system.Folk just didn't move around the weather was wet and numbing ,water everywhere even taxis who tried to drop by door !
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    jewels fields

    Cheers Tim ...it was nice to get a bit of luck this year after 2018 when it was mostly bad luck.From the excellent filming/ coverage I doubt if it was able to guage how bad the weather was. Very heavy rain , serious wind and freezing cold...ZERO.....the camera people were remarkable ,wrapped in plastic bags. The track stood up real well and of course the covered barn right next to track a real winner. As usual the trainers and strappers did a great job ,helping others by walking horses and escorting them to swab box etc...chipping in. No complaints at all ,everyone was quite excited, it seems, to be involved. Let's try and get a couple qualified for next year ! The Northern horses ,trainers and drivers were very prominent and did well. Racing was great ,despite the conditions and there were some very close finishes . Personally I thought it was a step up , even though weather tried to ruin the day. A great vibe to the day IMO. You can't imagine how bad that weather was ,especially prior to the start ......walking in, the water was lapping into my shoes !
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    jewels fields

    I see things a little different. At the Jewels yesterday a contributor to this forum when it was set up said what a great idea it was for like minded people to discuss the sport/industry they love. Social media ,including this forum ,are now mainly used to point out every negative ,mistake or to denigrate individuals. To many ,this is a turn off ,especially when the key board warriors are those who claim to love the industry. Misery loves company ,and for some reason many feed on the negativity of others . So the industry tends to eat itself up from the inside. There are many challenges as horse racing is basically dependant on 'gambling' which is viewed dimly by many and faces much competition . No longer is racing part of our DNA. The Jewels is one of the few days on the calendar when Harness racing can show case itself. The weather intervened ,always a risk in June especially in the South Island.....and the fact that the day proceeded on time was a real tribute to the facilities ,the track itself and the people . The people involved with the day put on a fantastic showcase in atrocious conditions and the day seemed to go off very smoothly. Preparation seemed very thorough and in very trying conditions they performed extremely well. Ive been to many Jewels and thought it was a step up in many ways......the trainers and horse people just rolled up their sleeves and turned on a show .The race books were excellent ,the food and coffee etc outstanding , racing was exciting and on time ,the coverage ,filming , communications were top-class and the excellent entertainment did its best to soldier on. I had trouble performing my best dances as puddles on the dance lawn and the fact my shoes filled with water before the first race slowed me down a bit. Boys Get Paid [BGP] were in attendance as were many harness enthusiasts from all around NZ and parts of Australia. I spoke to dozens of folk involved with horses and all were pleased to be part of the day.......it was exciting to be part of. Its a shame the weather had a crack at washing the whole thing out !! My only query would be the starter.....how can he continually allow horses to have second chances when they just fire up the others doing things right...and why don't they make the perennial trouble makers UNRULY !