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5 hours ago, 2Admin2 said:

So if Chris Waller was training to last season's weight with Winx he would have been wrong by 11kgs.  Correct?

As I said weight is only one factor.

Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope...

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6 minutes ago, Berri said:

Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope...

Professor - how do you decide what is the optimum weight?  Signed idiot.

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41 minutes ago, Berri said:

Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope...

i dont think thats right in every issue

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46 minutes ago, Berri said:

Idiot...everyone knows that as a horse gets older they carry more weight. That's what you call physiological progression. This years racing weight may differ due to this....probably much like the swelling contained by your belt. You're no hope...

have you checked able friend did he get heavier

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9 hours ago, Berri said:

Horses have a skeletal muscular structure that at some point operate at an optimal level. Most horses have differing weights but are genetically within a range due to the limited genetic pool (3 stallions and 40 broodmares). Different trainers and food types have an influence over the ability for a horse to perform at a top level for the individual horse. The body condition and fitness is materially influenced by the management of both of these. Good trainers know how to optimise both. At a horse's peak ability, the body will have a weight that is genetically expressed. Less than, or more than this weight will have a correlation to performance. Depending on the grade of race and the opposition, the horse will need to be at their best to perform well. In the top grade (Gp 1) where all horses need to be at their optimal performance, fitness wise, to win, 10kgs difference from their optimal performance weight will make a difference.

 

There you go Berri

Won group races 1244 -1301     57lb difference...so tell us what his optimum racing performance weight is.....maybe the trainers an idiot?

Horse Form Records - ABLE FRIEND  
Race
Index
Pla. Date RC/Track/
Course
Dist. G Race
Class
Dr Rtg. Trainer Jockey LBW Win Odds Act.
Wt.
Running
Position
Finish Time Declar.
Horse Wt.
Gear Video
Replay
 16/17 Season
501
WV
19/03/2017
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1400
GY
1
--
127
--
---
133
--
--
--
--
--
446
02
26/02/2017
ST / "Turf" / "B "
1400
G
G1
3
130
3/4
2.1
126
6  6  4  2
1.21.45
1276
TT/CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
379
03
30/01/2017
ST / "Turf" / "B "
1600
G
G1
12
133
1-1/4
4.6
126
11  10  9  3
1.34.59
1276
TT1/CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
256
06
11/12/2016
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1600
G
G1
14
136
2
3.2
126
12  13  12  6
1.33.78
1256
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
201
04
20/11/2016
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1200
G
G2
2
138
2-1/4
6.6
123
7  6  4
1.08.61
1261
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
 15/16 Season
250
03
13/12/2015
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1600
G
G1
10
138
1
1.7
126
9  9  9  3
1.34.07
1277
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
194
03
21/11/2015
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1600
G
G2
6
138
1-1/2
1.4
128
7  8  7  3
1.33.96
1293
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
138
01
25/10/2015
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1200
GF
HKG2
14
134
1/2
10
133
13  14  1
1.08.35
1283
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
 14/15 Season
Overseas
06
16/06/2015
Ascot/ "Turf"
1600
G
G1
7
134
8-3/4
1.6
126
--
--
--
CP
--
586
01
03/05/2015
ST / "Turf" / "A+3 "
1600
GF
G1
2
134
1-1/4
1.2
126
5  5  5  1
1.35.39
1294
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
520
01
07/04/2015
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1600
GF
HKG2
3
134
1-1/4
1.1
128
5  4  4  1
1.33.76
1286
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
465
01
15/03/2015
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1400
G
G1
5
134
2-1/4
1.3
126
9  8  7  1
1.21.10
1263
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
344
01
25/01/2015
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1600
GF
G1
8
134
1-1/2
1.2
126
8  8  7  1
1.33.50
1279
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
239
01
14/12/2014
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1600
GF
G1
10
129
4-1/4
1.3
126
9  9  8  1
1.33.49
1297
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
183
01
23/11/2014
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1600
GF
G2
8
124
2-1/4
1.9
123
5  5  5  1
1.33.46
1301
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
118
04
26/10/2014
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1200
GF
HKG2
8
124
1
5
133
7  3  4
1.08.87
1315
CP
  Race Replay Aerial Virtual Replay
 13/14 Season
600
02
04/05/2014
ST / "Turf" / "A+3 "
1600
G
G1
14
122
4
1.7
126
11  12  8  2
1.34.75
1275
CP
  Race Replay
529
01
06/04/2014
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1600
G
HKG2
5
116
1-3/4
1.3
123
5  5  3  1
1.37.19
1244
CP2
  Race Replay
479
02
16/03/2014
ST / "Turf" / "A "
2000
G
HKG1
5
115
1/2
2.3
126
12  11  12  9  2
2.02.13
1260
CP-
  Race Replay
406
02
16/02/2014
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1800
G
HKG1
6
115
1-1/2
1.7
126
6  6  6  2  2
1.48.15
1286
CP
  Race Replay
339
01
19/01/2014
ST / "Turf" / "A+3 "
1600
G
HKG1
6
104
1/2
1.8
126
5  6  4  1
1.33.43
1279
CP
  Race Replay
226
01
08/12/2013
ST / "Turf" / "A "
1600
GF
2
7
094
2
2.3
131
7  10  5  1
1.34.72
1290
CP
  Race Replay
192
01
24/11/2013
ST / "Turf" / "C "
1400
GF
2
13
085
1-1/4
2.3
122
13  12  11  1
1.22.12
1287
CP
  Race Replay
082
03
12/10/2013
ST / "Turf" / "A+3 "
1400
GF
2
14
083
1-1/4
2.5
118
14  13  12  3
1.22.81
1291
CP
  Race Replay
 12/13 Season
679
01
08/06/2013
ST / "Turf" / "B+2 "
1200
GF
3
3
072
2-1/4
5.4
125
4  3  1
1.08.95
1235
CP1
  Race Replay

 

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4 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Good to see they are being sensible and spelling her, so no Emirates. Hughie now riding Gingernuts.

Do you think they would be racing in the Emirates if Humidor hadn't lined up in the Cox?.....I believe they would have

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7 hours ago, Ohokaman said:

Good to see they are being sensible and spelling her,

Are they being sensible or a bit precious? One could say Humidor had a harder run in the Cox Plate chasing  a champion  and yet  he is now in the Cup 10 days later.  Are they just trying to maintain her unbeaten record and now going to select their races. Racing needs a champion  to focus on and I for one am disappointed that Winx  is not racing  on Emeraites day. Waller stated that she pulled up well so unless she has gone back why not race her. Two weeks is going to make no difference in their Autumn plans for The Championships and overseas. 

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

She was badly beaten up, Waller is a very smart guy, he’s doing what’s right for the great mare.

He says she is in great shape not beaten up.  The spell is timed to allow an overseas campaign.  Twist that whichever way you wish.

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6 hours ago, harewood said:

Are they being sensible or a bit precious? One could say Humidor had a harder run in the Cox Plate chasing  a champion  and yet  he is now in the Cup 10 days later.  Are they just trying to maintain her unbeaten record and now going to select their races. Racing needs a champion  to focus on and I for one am disappointed that Winx  is not racing  on Emeraites day. Waller stated that she pulled up well so unless she has gone back why not race her. Two weeks is going to make no difference in their Autumn plans for The Championships and overseas. 

Of course they are being sensible. They are looking after the horse first. Waller has said "she needs a holiday" which tells you some of those efforts, particularly in the Cox Plate on ground much firmer than she prefers, have taken their toll. If the intention is to go to Ascot to run in the Queen Anne Stakes in June, then giving her a good spell now makes perfect sense. 

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

Why don’t you keep demonstrating how little you know ?

 

I'm only repeating what Waller has said.  You are the one making it up to justify yourself.

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2 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Waller said "she needs a holiday" and in another comment "we might take her to NZ "

Should they both be taken literally, both dismissed as a piss take, or maybe do the sensible thing and just read between the lines ?

I thought he meant he was going to send her to New Zealand for a holiday?

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The owners/trainers get knocked if they over race their horses, and they get clobbered if they under race them as well. Winx can keep winning on the race track while the great online unwashed let personalities get in the way as they argue their trivial differences a week after the Cox. Maybe we should stage the Cocks Plate? Plenty of contenders for the win on Race Cafe. 

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1 hour ago, Leggy said:

I thought he meant he was going to send her to New Zealand for a holiday?

What he meant by that was, "Connections don't need the money but we would like to see Winx add 3 or 4 quick Group 1 wins to her record. So we are thinking of sending her to NZ to pick up the Railway, Telegraph, and any other G1's on the circuit over Xmas/New Year. She could get ready by winning the Waikato Sprint, the Te Aroha Breeders etc. Oh, and the Zabeel (is it still G1?). Now she's ready for the Sydney Autumn Carnival after her "NZ holiday". :) 

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10 hours ago, Trump said:

What he meant by that was, "Connections don't need the money but we would like to see Winx add 3 or 4 quick Group 1 wins to her record. So we are thinking of sending her to NZ to pick up the Railway, Telegraph, and any other G1's on the circuit over Xmas/New Year. She could get ready by winning the Waikato Sprint, the Te Aroha Breeders etc. Oh, and the Zabeel (is it still G1?). Now she's ready for the Sydney Autumn Carnival after her "NZ holiday". :) 

Not actually any reflection on our Group 1's Trump - she's done exactly that in Australia too remember!!! Does that make Aussie G1's weak too?? She's a CHAMPION mate. She would win any G1 anywhere!!! However, a nice spell on some decent NZ grass over the summer - in comparison to the Aussie dust bowls over the same period - doesn't sound stupid to me...even throw in a couple of 'practice' flights to tune her up for the trip to Ascot next year... :) Cheers.

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30 minutes ago, Lloyd Vivian said:

Not actually any reflection on our Group 1's Trump - she's done exactly that in Australia too remember!!! Does that make Aussie G1's weak too?? She's a CHAMPION mate. She would win any G1 anywhere!!! However, a nice spell on some decent NZ grass over the summer - in comparison to the Aussie dust bowls over the same period - doesn't sound stupid to me...even throw in a couple of 'practice' flights to tune her up for the trip to Ascot next year... :) Cheers.

BIG CALL THERE AUSSIE DUST BOWLS

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