Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 24 Great result for Coolmore , top sales pitch on how good the ones they willing to sell are therefore ramping up the prices , they also get to take home a horse who's placed in a top race with plenty of life left in him for next year in Europe . Homesman earlier in card another out of their yard a few years back, be plenty more money from OZ tipping into their bank accounts now . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohokaman 4,172 Report post Posted October 24 17 minutes ago, Red Rum said: Great result for Coolmore , top sales pitch on how good the ones they willing to sell are therefore ramping up the prices , they also get to take home a horse who's placed in a top race with plenty of life left in him for next year in Europe . Homesman earlier in card another out of their yard a few years back, be plenty more money from OZ tipping into their bank accounts now . Nice trifecta there RR.... Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 24 14 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Nice trifecta there RR.... He got round Chester last year closest to the Valley I suppose There's a horse going tonight called Numarian at Leopardstown in listed race , got beaten in handicap last time but suddenly he's got a decent formline . Beat Sir Dragonet almost 3 lengths at Naas in March and pushed Armoury close couple starts back , then couldn't pick his feet up. He's up against it tonight with nearly 10 stone . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mckenzie 339 Report post Posted October 24 First four were all sourced from Europe. Looks like the Cox Plate is heading the way of the Melbourne Cup where the localbreds struggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stodge 286 Report post Posted October 24 I couldn't have got that more wrong if I tried. Over here. SIR DRAGONET has got a bit of a reputation as a "nearly" horse. You can't crab his second place to MAGICAL in the Tattersalls Gold Cup but he was beaten in the Wolferton at Ascot which is a Listed class race and BUCKHURST has beaten him twice in Ireland. I can only assume a change of scene has helped as he'd dropped 5 lbs in the rating since he was fifth to ANTHONY VAN DYCK in the Derby last year. We can use MAGICAL as a line through which to place SIR DRAGONET and ARMORY and there shouldn't have been much between them. I thought ARMORY was ridden wide enough and the gap opened ideally for Glen Boss. The other Europeans were well held and I thought it interesting the pacesetters were also well beaten - definitely a race for those coming off the pace. I can't believe this was the strongest Cox Plate ever run - HIGHLAND REEL was rated 120 so 3 lbs superior to SIR DRAGONET and WINX beat him nearly six lengths, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Berri 1,474 Report post Posted October 24 Let's face it. It wasn't a vintage renewal of the Cox Plate. The race could only be rated 118-120. The form is franked through Magical and Anthony Van Dyck. Probabeel ran to her rating although she probably wasn't in the best part of the track running for home. She worryingly changed leg at the 200m. Shows the detractors just how good the imports really are. When we get a good one down here, they're competitive. The problem is that we don't get enough of them Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trump 2,590 Report post Posted October 24 1 hour ago, stodge said: I couldn't have got that more wrong if I tried. Over here. SIR DRAGONET has got a bit of a reputation as a "nearly" horse. You can't crab his second place to MAGICAL in the Tattersalls Gold Cup but he was beaten in the Wolferton at Ascot which is a Listed class race and BUCKHURST has beaten him twice in Ireland. I can only assume a change of scene has helped as he'd dropped 5 lbs in the rating since he was fifth to ANTHONY VAN DYCK in the Derby last year. We can use MAGICAL as a line through which to place SIR DRAGONET and ARMORY and there shouldn't have been much between them. I thought ARMORY was ridden wide enough and the gap opened ideally for Glen Boss. The other Europeans were well held and I thought it interesting the pacesetters were also well beaten - definitely a race for those coming off the pace. I can't believe this was the strongest Cox Plate ever run - HIGHLAND REEL was rated 120 so 3 lbs superior to SIR DRAGONET and WINX beat him nearly six lengths, Don’t forget the Maher/Eustace Training polish. They are world class trainers and can get the “best” from a horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohokaman 4,172 Report post Posted October 24 3 minutes ago, Trump said: Don’t forget the Maher/Eustace Training polish. They are world class trainers and can get the “best” from a horse. Like Grandslam ? That was an owners wank..and cost them $200k to run last....... Memphis2, Red Rum and chelseacol 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scooby3051 4,752 Report post Posted October 24 41 minutes ago, Trump said: Don’t forget the Maher/Eustace Training polish. They are world class trainers and can get the “best” from a horse. I thought it was very ordinary he never even thanked the previous trainer...he had the horse for 2 weeks...the least he could of done was said thanks for the way the horse came to me.JMO. Red Rum and Archer 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 4 hours ago, Trump said: Don’t forget the Maher/Eustace Training polish. They are world class trainers and can get the “best” from a horse. In the two weeks he has had the horse by his own words , you believe he has improved him on what Ballydoyle could get out of him all year , he has been looked after at Newmarket for a while by David Eustace father I know but he has never improved Sir Dragonet, the ground came right for a decent grp 3 listed class horse . Armoury went out at 66 to 1 last time at Leopardstown , NumerIan almost done him giving him 8 lbs and beat the shit out of Sir Dragonet when they met . NumerIan will end up hurdling . WFA over 2000 Australian racing weak , Northern scribes like Chapman are laping it up , some asking what price Armoury for Triumph Hurdle in March . The 2019 Derby has suddenly looked excellent now AVD and SD have arrived in OZ , it looked pretty shabby formwise in Europe in the main , field done not a lot of note , Prix Foy aside . AVD couldn't win a Hardwicke and Sir Dragonet a Wolverton . Australian sprinters best in world IMHO, middle distance / stayers poor . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 3 hours ago, scooby3051 said: I thought it was very ordinary he never even thanked the previous trainer...he had the horse for 2 weeks...the least he could of done was said thanks for the way the horse came to me.JMO. Very average after , good on him selecting the horse but being charitable to Maher he looked like he was cut off early so let's hope he said something . Waller straight away thanked previous trainer when Shared Ambition bolted up on Cup day last year . Basically said he just saddled the horse . Doubt the big boys care it's just a sack full of money with likely more heading their way for the ones they want to move on . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 Tatts Cup Curragh few months ago , positions of SD and Armoury , both went out as outsiders , SD put a just over a couple of lengths on Armoury giving 9lbs wfa , yesterday was it 4bs or close to wfa ? And it's a length an quarter , so how much improvement has Maher squeezed out of SD ? . Interesting race to watch as both need oxygen tanks after Magical busted them to bits , who in turn has been busted up a few times by Enable . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 4 hours ago, Ohokaman said: Like Grandslam ? That was an owners wank..and cost them $200k to run last....... Owners race tactics to boot. Youve got the money why not? Couldnt have on the guineas run Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohokaman 4,172 Report post Posted October 25 48 minutes ago, Gruff said: Owners race tactics to boot. Youve got the money why not? Couldnt have on the guineas run Money and brains don’t mix.....ask Trump..... Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 Hes an unusual Character but hes getting things done Hokes, hes brought issues regarding racism and paedoohilia to the surface where they can be dealt with, Obama and Biden had 8 years while tensions were simmering... waste of time and space...Orange clown best clown in town Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 Sir Dragonets win at Chester was mindblowing.... can he join the other Seven to do the Double? Can he beat Surprise Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Gruff said: Sir Dragonets win at Chester was mindblowing.... can he join the other Seven to do the Double? Can he beat Surprise For a racetrack set up by the Roman's it's remarkably round old Chester as opposed the to roads they built . Magic Wand got a win there in Oaks trial . Those May meeting trials there sometimes light on numbers but produce some decent horses , listed Dee Stakes over 10 furlongs has produced 2 Derby winners in last 20 years , the group 3 12 furlong Vase 1 . Contributor placed in the Dee Stakes at one point . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohokaman 4,172 Report post Posted October 25 1 hour ago, Gruff said: Hes an unusual Character but hes getting things done Hokes, hes brought issues regarding racism and paedoohilia to the surface where they can be dealt with, Obama and Biden had 8 years while tensions were simmering... waste of time and space...Orange clown best clown in town Getting things done...? Racism is worse now than ever, that Q Paedophilia bullshit is just that ( worked out well for that idiot who went to the Pizza parlour looking for kids didn’t it ? ) mishandled the virus because he doesn’t care about ordinary Americans, case numbers rising every day and Winter still to come....?? Listening to his supporters lately they are completely detached from reality. Guess we’ll find out on November 4.....just before Guy Fawkes Night......I’ll get the fire ready...... Memphis2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NextPlease 117 Report post Posted October 25 5 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Getting things done...? Racism is worse now than ever, that Q Paedophilia bullshit is just that ( worked out well for that idiot who went to the Pizza parlour looking for kids didn’t it ? ) mishandled the virus because he doesn’t care about ordinary Americans, case numbers rising every day and Winter still to come....?? Listening to his supporters lately they are completely detached from reality. Guess we’ll find out on November 4.....just before Guy Fawkes Night......I’ll get the fire ready...... Racism is worse now than ever? Sure, but that's because you have people like Chelsea Handler forcing black people to vote for Biden without personal choice, much like the slaves. The racists are liberals and Biden is the leader. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 7 minutes ago, Ohokaman said: Getting things done...? Racism is worse now than ever, that Q Paedophilia bullshit is just that ( worked out well for that idiot who went to the Pizza parlour looking for kids didn’t it ? ) mishandled the virus because he doesn’t care about ordinary Americans, case numbers rising every day and Winter still to come....?? Listening to his supporters lately they are completely detached from reality. Guess we’ll find out on November 4.....just before Guy Fawkes Night......I’ll get the fire ready...... Forget Q big fella. Things needed to come to a head. Your no fool but seem to be blinded by some sort of ignorance. You and your mate Mighty are decent human beings and im sure the slightly deluded 100 is the same. Forget that shit it will devour you and reduce your living years, lets concentrate on more important issues, Spring racing and Surprise Babys Melbourne Cup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 I loved that lead through King of leogrance before the Geelong Cup, thats been franked historically through a very strong 2019 edition, ive consulted Critter and the moneys on Surprise Baby, all his tank profits heading that way ... the stablemate is the dark horse at long odds Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 Let's not forget how Kris Lees really improved Mugatoo and he's had him for decent length time , he has gone from 6k midweek handicaps at Doncaster to WFA Championship performer . That's some serious improvement from 81 rated . Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruff 1,734 Report post Posted October 25 One thing ive learned on this site...Red Rum is a lamp lighter. Thanks for your input much appreciated .... lets talk Tiger Moth... i cant see it Red Rum 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rum 1,549 Report post Posted October 25 20 minutes ago, Gruff said: One thing ive learned on this site...Red Rum is a lamp lighter. Thanks for your input much appreciated .... lets talk Tiger Moth... i cant see it Tatts HIT Lot 1153A English King , like SD by Camelot , 5th/ 16 in Derby this year , like AVD winner of a Lingfield Derby Trial , has only ran 6 times , mares produce by Montjou group 3 winner over 15 furlongs . Rated 111 , form with Kameko and Mogul , what sort of price he fetching in a few days on open market . He won't be cheap . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ohokaman 4,172 Report post Posted October 25 2 hours ago, NextPlease said: Racism is worse now than ever? Sure, but that's because you have people like Chelsea Handler forcing black people to vote for Biden without personal choice, much like the slaves. The racists are liberals and Biden is the leader. Oh Christ, another Village Idiot has popped up for some sunlight...... napier 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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