Here we go again

[We're Doomed]

It will be interesting to see what sort of crowd they get today. I have always had the feeling that Waikato meetings never get the crowds you might expect being in the centre of the racing industry. Although that is just the impression I get watching on TV, the bars might be packed for all I know. 

The last Waikato meeting I attended was Te Aroha, so that must have been a while ago now. I don't think it is used anymore is it?

[scooby3051]

1 hour ago, Blue said:

Perhaps a bit harsh Nomates? I think it's been established if the grass was shorter or had been mowed close to raceday the problem may well have been alleviated. All history now anyway, just back to the drawing board.

Who said that was the problem, the problem is not because the grass was short the problem is because the track is stuffed a negative camber and a little sprinkling of water and FFS who decided to run a 2200m race as the first race, nobody running the show has a brain cell between them, that's the real issue.

[mikenz]

Looking at weather for next few days wouldn't surprise me some more meetings get put off.

Ascot Park a heavy 10 and heavy rain on top of that.

Not much different for Timaru and Hawera, not much you can do about i guess

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Blue said:

Perhaps a bit harsh Nomates? I think it's been established if the grass was shorter or had been mowed close to raceday the problem may well have been alleviated. All history now anyway, just back to the drawing board.

I'm sorry but there was clearly more in play than just cutting the grass and letting the sun do it's thing .

And if it was that simple then it's a bloody huge indictment on the track manager , who from all accounts is highly qualified .

For clarity , my "harsh" comments were more in response to said posters "bullshit" comment to WD .

I'll try and be a little more PC next time , maybe .

[nomates]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

Who said that was the problem, the problem is not because the grass was short the problem is because the track is stuffed a negative camber and a little sprinkling of water and FFS who decided to run a 2200m race as the first race, nobody running the show has a brain cell between them, that's the real issue.

Exactly , the problem was not as simplistic as was made out .

[nomates]

11 minutes ago, mikenz said:

Looking at weather for next few days wouldn't surprise me some more meetings get put off.

Ascot Park a heavy 10 and heavy rain on top of that.

Not much different for Timaru and Hawera, not much you can do about i guess

And that everyone can live with , uncontrollable , as long as the make the call early .

[scooby3051]

So IF Hastings is not safe to race on how in the bloody hell was it safe to run 10 jump outs last Monday??? What if something had happened to one of the crash test dummies, oops sorry the jockeys if one had fallen...how can this NOT be fit for racing but fit for experiments.

[Canterbury Man]

26 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

So IF Hastings is not safe to race on how in the bloody hell was it safe to run 10 jump outs last Monday??? What if something had happened to one of the crash test dummies, oops sorry the jockeys if one had fallen...how can this NOT be fit for racing but fit for experiments.

How else do you test it?  They ran one jump out then inspected the track.  It appeared safe.  They were jumpouts so not full flat out racing and the horses wouldn't have got to the tired stage.  They did that again after the next jump out.  No issues.  None of the Jockeys appear to have been concerned enough after each jumpout to stop riding.

As for shifting the last day of the Carnival - how influential was the past CEO of HB in that descision?  I would say they are extremely gun shy and can't risk that it might be a problem on the last day and then look stupid for not having shifted it.    

[scooby3051]

Oh Mr know it all is here again...Hows the coffee going up your way??? I said I would not comment on your rubbish posts but you just have no clue on this one.

And so you are suggesting horses at trials are fit??? Then you really know zero...the purpose of the trials is to get unfit horses ready to race so 100% sure many of them would definitely have "got to the tired stage"...you rally have no clue.

[CVance]

I think what CM is saying is they don't go all out at jump outs.....sure they may get tired but less chance of an incident. Racing has it's risks and nobody held a gun to these Jockey's heads saying "you must ride" at these jump outs. 

Would be interesting to know how many serious incidents are caused by unsafe tracks as opposed to careless riding ?

 

[scooby3051]

8 minutes ago, CVance said:

I think what CM is saying is they don't go all out at jump outs.....sure they may get tired but less chance of an incident. Racing has it's risks and nobody held a gun to these Jockey's heads saying "you must ride" at these jump outs. 

Would be interesting to know how many serious incidents are caused by unsafe tracks as opposed to careless riding ?

 

Less chance not no chance...would of been interesting legally where they stood IF there had been an incident two days after deeming it unsafe for racing.

[mikenz]

I read track inspection later today for Timaru,, Ascot Park Sunday must be in doubt too.

[CVance]

Your legal question is a sign of the times...not saying that's bad but if that same Hastings incident had happened 30+ years ago I think they would have just carried on.

Or were the tracks better back then and they just didn't have slips ? (ie watering to "make safe" is a double edged sword)

 

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Canterbury Man said:

How else do you test it?

Certainly not with horses and human beings . Don't have a solution for the question but risking life isn't the answer .

[nomates]

1 minute ago, CVance said:

Your legal question is a sign of the times...not saying that's bad but if that same Hastings incident had happened 30+ years ago I think they would have just carried on.

Or were the tracks better back then and they just didn't have slips ? (ie watering to "make safe" is a double edged sword)

 

It's all in the manicuring of tracks . 3mls applied to one area that had a reading that was slightly drier than the rest .

[Canterbury Man]

4 minutes ago, nomates said:

It's all in the manicuring of tracks . 3mls applied to one area that had a reading that was slightly drier than the rest .

But that is an intelligent approach when you have a difference in underlying soil profiles.  A racetrack is a very large paddock which will have a wide variation in soil profiles.  Unless of course the whole track was built up from a consistent drainage base with the same sub and top soil applied evenly.  

The new track manager at HB is actually very good and would know his soil profile.

[mikenz]

On 10/2/2024 at 12:52 PM, mikenz said:

Looking at weather for next few days wouldn't surprise me some more meetings get put off.

Ascot Park a heavy 10 and heavy rain on top of that.

Not much different for Timaru and Hawera, not much you can do about i guess

Looks like I got 2 out of 3 right , might get money back as a bonus bet