Here we go again

[TurnyTom]

10 hours ago, mikenz said:

Thinking of Auckland, I think they have to win the Ranfurly Shield to stay in the NPC,  just like racing for the number of people there it certainly is disconnected with the rest of NZ, ie the provinces.

Interestingly Hawkes Bay played Auckland in Napier today, now I know Rugbys not what it use to be but why have both events at same time ?

Both are struggling big time and will do anything to get folk on board

Must check if the rugby was abandoned or not 

[Gezzah Potts]

I wasn't going to comment on here as more than enough good comments on this thread, but what a Mickey Mouse circus it's all become. And as others have pointed out, there's no accountability and no heads will roll. I was surprised to read the next meeting at Woodville after today is July 13th next year. How ridiculous is that? Didn't Woodville used to have 2 big meetings in January as a lead up to the Wellington Cup. The Pahiatua Stakes was one of the big races they had at the January meeting. I've been reading results from The Press online Papers Past from tracks like Woodville where they had horses of the calibre of Black Rod, Beatnik and Kirrama racing there. How times have changed. 

[Alf Riston]

20 hours ago, TurnyTom said:

Entain must be furious 

 

Au Contraire, Turny Tom

The mob with a 'dodgy betting platform' that give you all sorts of options (including betting on Racing in India & Panama with $4 pools to name a few), will merely use this as an opportunity and open a few new books.

Including, but not limited to:

NZ RACING CONSECUTIVE MEETINGS WITHOUT AN ABANDONMENT

10 MEETINGS - $20 

20 MEETINGS - $15 

30 MEETINGS - $10 

40 MEETINGS - $5 

BEFORE CHRISTMAS - $1.04

CHANCES OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THOSE RUNNING THE CIRCUS - $1.01

 

 

 

[chiknsmack]

17 hours ago, Tauhei Notts said:

Actually I think Matamata is a better course to run a Group One 1600 than Hastings.

At Matamata the run to the first turn, over 1600 metres, is the longest straight run of any course in New Zealand.

Okay, the straight is not all that long, but it is not a Rotorua or Moonee Valley dash. 

The 1600m start point at Hastings is terrible, even when the track surface isn't. If we need to close tracks then Hastings and New Plymouth are at the top of the list.

[Zakhu]

6 minutes ago, chiknsmack said:

The 1600m start point at Hastings is terrible, even when the track surface isn't. If we need to close tracks then Hastings and New Plymouth are at the top of the list.

New Plymouth is in a geographically horrible position. Always the first place to rain.

[nomates]

24 minutes ago, Zakhu said:

New Plymouth is in a geographically horrible position. Always the first place to rain.

First place , never stops .

[Nerula]

The evidence was in the photos of the "Slips."

Long, lank grass  - no sign of root structure in the tears. Just slimy wet topsoil with no doubt bad ph.

Ellerslie all over again. Cretins are causing these situations

[chevy86]

2 hours ago, Nerula said:

The evidence was in the photos of the "Slips."

Long, lank grass  - no sign of root structure in the tears. Just slimy wet topsoil with no doubt bad ph.

Ellerslie all over again. Cretins are causing these situations

But Milden's a genius apparently. Mow the grass you morons or take hay before a meeting!

[chevy86]

23 hours ago, SameOld said:

And hats off to Matamata losing their cup day to accomodate 

Has Matamata ever had an abandonment due to slipping on a negative camber?

[Idolmite]

2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

Has Matamata ever had an abandonment due to slipping on a negative camber?

How, and why, on earth, after just reopening after months of supposed track rectifications, do they still have a negative camber on the turn out of the straight (what about the home turn?) with the "crown" only 2-3 horse widths off the inside fence running line?

[JJ Flash]

18 hours ago, chiknsmack said:

The 1600m start point at Hastings is terrible, even when the track surface isn't. If we need to close tracks then Hastings and New Plymouth are at the top of the list.

Haven't HB racing already purchased a greenfield area for a new track in the future ?

[racingoutsider]

51 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

Haven't HB racing already purchased a greenfield area for a new track in the future ?

That fell over years ago, being quashed by the local Charitable Trust that owned the land.

[nomates]

Has anyone heard anything about where the LIvamol meeting is going to be run ? , surely they aren't going to take the risk of running it at Hastings .

Would be mad if they did .

 

[racingoutsider]

6 minutes ago, nomates said:

Has anyone heard anything about where the LIvamol meeting is going to be run ? , surely they aren't going to take the risk of running it at Hastings .

Would be mad if they did .

 

Ellerslie?

[nomates]

17 minutes ago, racingoutsider said:

Ellerslie?

Nah , it's a CD meeting , got to stay here , Trentham if it's available otherwise Otaki , they have a middling meeting the next week and haven't had a meeting there for over 2 months .

I would go Otaki myself .

[nomates]

On Weigh In the HB CEO is suggesting that Livamol will go ahead at Hastings , I'm sorry but that's just Russian roulette , they are going to do all sorts of stuff to ensure a safe  track but is it just going to be a ploughed paddock .

A strong NZTR Executive has to make the decision that the industry simply cannot afford to take a chance on there being no problem , and move the meeting to guarantee certainty to participants .

But money is on nobody having pulled their heads out of the sand in time to do that .

 

[Insider]

Well guys I disagree with you.

There is no reason whatsoever that the Livermol Meeting can't proceed at Hastings, so long as the water is being poured on now, so that it soaks right through, then back right off.

Any showers or rain close to raceday will not have a detrimental effect from a the safety aspect.

It was pure and simple, a man made cock-up.

 

[racingoutsider]

27 minutes ago, Insider said:

Well guys I disagree with you.

There is no reason whatsoever that the Livermol Meeting can't proceed at Hastings, so long as the water is being poured on now, so that it soaks right through, then back right off.

Any showers or rain close to raceday will not have a detrimental effect from a the safety aspect.

It was pure and simple, a man made cock-up.

 

Don't see how they can fix the camber or grass rooting in 2 weeks though I agree it's a man made cock-up.

[Insider]

1 minute ago, racingoutsider said:

Don't see how they can fix the camber or grass rooting in 2 weeks though I agree it's a man made cock-up.

It's not a grass rooting or camber problem.

Did they not successfully race on it a three weeks ago without an incident?

 

[racingoutsider]

4 minutes ago, Insider said:

It's not a grass rooting or camber problem.

Did they not successfully race on it a three weeks ago without an incident?

 

Well Balcombe certainly suggested the camber was a contributing factor and the photos suggest that the grass rooting is very shallow.

[nomates]

47 minutes ago, Insider said:

Well guys I disagree with you.

There is no reason whatsoever that the Livermol Meeting can't proceed at Hastings, so long as the water is being poured on now, so that it soaks right through, then back right off.

Any showers or rain close to raceday will not have a detrimental effect from a the safety aspect.

It was pure and simple, a man made cock-up.

 

I love your confidence , and I agree it was a man-made cock up , and it is going to require input from men again .

My point being can the industry afford to gamble that it will be all good and without incident , and a gamble it will be , no matter how much confidence is shown .

Do you trust them to back off , what if it is a fantastic week leading up to it ??

[racingoutsider]

Whether the grass is rooted or not they have stated that the camber is a risk. How could they possibly race on it?

 

 

[We're Doomed]

I was in Hastings for the week. They had perfect weather all week, a shower on Friday afternoon/evening and a perfect sunny day on the Saturday. 

How could you cock that up?

If a race track is unusable in those circumstances there is something seriously wrong, and the track should probably be closed down or else management replaced.

[tripple alliance]

8 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

I was in Hastings for the week. They had perfect weather all week, a shower on Friday afternoon/evening and a perfect sunny day on the Saturday. 

How could you cock that up?

If a race track is unusable in those circumstances there is something seriously wrong, and the track should probably be closed down or else management replaced.

Bullshit just cut the grass shorter and allow the sun to evaporate any moisture , problem solved the camber if any has been there for many years . 

[Canterbury Man]

3 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Bullshit just cut the grass shorter and allow the sun to evaporate any moisture , problem solved the camber if any has been there for many years . 

The camber is part of the problem.

Moisture wasn't the problem on 95% of the track.  Just the 100m that has always been a problem.

Yes the grass was too long.  A quick fix was to mow it, verti-drain it and flood it with water.  Sure 100m of the track would have played differently for TWO races but they would have continued.

Did you all notice that they didn't inspect any other parts of the track?