Here we go again

[Insider 4,786]

Seriously, in my 45 years of firstly having horses trained on the track [Don Sellwood and winning 25+ races] then going back and winning even more with Tony Pike and Matthew Eales, since those days, camber out of the straight has never been an issue, so why is it now?

Yes I remember a meeting cancelled many years ago because of the negative camber into the straight [just like Ellerslie] but they fixed it and it hasn't been a problem since.

Trentham has the best camber into the straight in NZ, BUT Matthew Eales's horse slipped coming into the straight [earlier into the year] so they called the meeting off!

Why, what caused it when the track has the best camber in NZ?

Well the answer is simple.

 They put the rail out 12 or 14 metres and only a fraction of the irrigation got out that far, thus creating an identical situation to Saturday.

Too little water put on that didn't then penetrate the surface properly, thus it made the top slippery.

[nomates 4,967]

25 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Bullshit just cut the grass shorter and allow the sun to evaporate any moisture , problem solved the camber if any has been there for many years . 

Haha , you are a simplistic twat , who knew it was so simple to prepare a track for G1 racing , as ever you think you know way more than you ever will .

Perhaps give the HB track manager a call and pass on your pearls of wisdom .

[Idolmite 3,154]

Well one thing is for sure; it's not only the grass that is rooted 

[scooby3051 12,355]

So you were there Trojan were you???? maybe you should apply for the TM job there.....

[Insider 4,786]

26 minutes ago, nomates said:

Haha , you are a simplistic twat , who knew it was so simple to prepare a track for G1 racing , as ever you think you know way more than you ever will .

Perhaps give the HB track manager a call and pass on your pearls of wisdom .

Nomates, the previous manager moved on and the track manager has been there no time at all, so I am reliably informed. 

I think that says an awful lot.

Imagine how the poor fellow [the new track manager] is feeling?

I guess blaming the track and not the management will help him feel better, but that's not the reality of the situation in my opinion.

It's gut wrenching for everyone.

Our NZ CUP dream is out the window plus the fees. The costs of getting to HB and back for nothing. Having to go to the trials tomorrow, [more costs] otherwise the horse could hurt himself or could go sour.

It simply goes on and on, and yet the people in the suits simply say, we will have an in-depth review of the circumstances and report, or something similar

 

 

[tripple alliance 1,215]

46 minutes ago, nomates said:

Haha , you are a simplistic twat , who knew it was so simple to prepare a track for G1 racing , as ever you think you know way more than you ever will .

Perhaps give the HB track manager a call and pass on your pearls of wisdom .

You are pretty simple if you can't see reality , I read some where irrigation had been placed on the bend clearly the spread wasn't even and perhaps closer to the rail had some water protection from that rail,  any way an uneven spread and long grass would explain why the only horse racing 3 wide slid . Now from your vast knowledge of horses and racing please explain which of the gallopers new it was a G1 DAY , Wasn't the race an R65 ?? which makes the man made description of the day quite irrelevant and now enough of the  bellyaching you have been on about this for  long enough and in doing so demonstrating how much you really don't know , winge winge winge for zero .

[nomates 4,967]

1 minute ago, tripple alliance said:

You are pretty simple if you can't see reality , I read some where irrigation had been placed on the bend clearly the spread wasn't even and perhaps closer to the rail had some water protection from that rail,  any way an uneven spread and long grass would explain why the only horse racing 3 wide slid . Now from your vast knowledge of horses and racing please explain which of the gallopers new it was a G1 DAY , Wasn't the race an R65 ?? which makes the man made description of the day quite irrelevant and now enough of the  bellyaching you have been on about this for  long enough and in doing so demonstrating how much you really don't know , winge winge winge for zero .

Yet again you hop onto this forum and tell people they are talking bullshit and it as simple as cutting the grass and letting the sun do it's job , who the fuck is being simplistic . Jog on you flake , your history is proven you to be as knowledgeable as a chocolate paper wrapper . Just so you know my horse travelled from up north for the meeting so I'm up for those costs like dozens of other owners , but I understand these things sometimes happen , but HB has a long history and if you honestly believe that isn't relevant your thicker than even I put you down for . What I do know for a fact is it's going to take more than a lawn mower and hopefully some sun to fix the issues there .

Now hop off back down your racist rabbit hole .

[Insider 4,786]

Ok guys, you have read my view on the subject [many years of skin in the game] plus the passionate views of others, some who I agree with and others that I think are well wide of the mark, inexperienced or simply ill informed.

Well here is the OFFICIAL VIEW FROM THE CLUB - HAWKES BAY RACING.

Subject: Arrowfield Stud Plate Raceday - Club update
 



Dear valued members

 

As a club, we share in the disappointment over Saturday’s race abandonment. The team has worked tirelessly over the last few months to bring the track up to a standard fitting of Group 1 racing, and we believe we achieved this for the Tarzino Trophy on September 7th.  Just three weeks ago, we received phenomenal feedback from key stakeholders and jockeys on the track and how well it raced, and it is that level of quality we aim to deliver every raceday.  Unfortunately, we did not meet those standards on this occasion. and we are committed to ensuring this does not happen again.

 

Our immediate focus is on ensuring that we fully understand what has caused the horse to slip on Saturday, so we are then in a position to target the root cause of the issue. In alignment with that investigation we are undertaking the following remedial work:

 

1. Vertidraining: From the winning post to the 1500m mark, we have completed vertidraining. This process de-compacts and aerates the track to soften the surface and break up compaction.
2. Penetrant/Surfactant Treatment: On Sunday morning, a special blend will be applied to help water distribute evenly through the track profile.
3. Irrigation Adjustments: We’ve improved the uniformity of the irrigation system to ensure consistent application.
4. Rail Adjustments: For the final day of the carnival, the rail will move back to its True position, the same as it was for day one of the carnival.

 

Following this work, Jumpouts that were previously scheduled will be run on Monday 30 September, this will confirm whether the above work has remedied the issues.  If further work is identified post Jumpouts we will extend the remediation to other areas of the track.

 

Once again, we sincerely apologise for Saturday’s outcome. We are determined to understand what led to this situation and make the necessary changes to prevent it from happening again. We fully understand that post Jumpouts a decision will need to be made by NZ Thoroughbred Racing, the RIB, Jockeys Association and HB Racing as to whether we are able to return in 2 weeks for the Livamol Classic, the decision will be made with respect to what is best for the industry, but we are focussed on ensuring the track will meet the highest standards, just as it did for the Tarzino Trophy raceday 3 weeks ago.

 

Thank you for your continued support.

 

 

Aaron Hamilton

Chief Executive

Ph  06 873 4097 |  M  027 771 8383

PO Box 1046, Hastings 4156  

300 Prospect Road, Hastings 4122

www.hawkesbayracing.co.nz

[nomates 4,967]

30 minutes ago, Insider said:

Nomates, the previous manager moved on and the track manager has been there no time at all, so I am reliably informed. 

I think that says an awful lot.

Imagine how the poor fellow [the new track manager] is feeling?

I guess blaming the track and not the management will help him feel better, but that's not the reality of the situation in my opinion.

It's gut wrenching for everyone.

Our NZ CUP dream is out the window plus the fees. The costs of getting to HB and back for nothing. Having to go to the trials tomorrow, [more costs] otherwise the horse could hurt himself or could go sour.

It simply goes on and on, and yet the people in the suits simply say, we will have an in-depth review of the circumstances and report, or something similar

 

 

I am not putting the blame on any one individual , this is an industry wide issue , and as you state another review will be done and nothing will change . But as usual the owners bare the brunt of the financial cost with these events . My horse also had to get back on a float and go back to Matamata along with plenty of others .

My whole point is around whether the industry can take the risk of running the Livamol there and taking the chance , however slim that something goes wrong again . Even Balcombe admitted that they are still to decide whether they run at HB , they understand how bad a look it will be if things go tits up again . No matter how simplistic some plebs think it is to rectify this , it's not , and even the track manager would say that this isn't as simple as some suggest .

For certainty for the industry participants that in this instance the meeting is moved to give that surety .

 

[scooby3051 12,355]

14 minutes ago, Insider said:

Ok guys, you have read my view on the subject [many years of skin in the game] plus the passionate views of others, some who I agree with and others that I think are well wide of the mark, inexperienced or simply ill informed.

Well here is the OFFICIAL VIEW FROM THE CLUB - HAWKES BAY RACING.

Subject: Arrowfield Stud Plate Raceday - Club update
 



Dear valued members

 

As a club, we share in the disappointment over Saturday’s race abandonment. The team has worked tirelessly over the last few months to bring the track up to a standard fitting of Group 1 racing, and we believe we achieved this for the Tarzino Trophy on September 7th.  Just three weeks ago, we received phenomenal feedback from key stakeholders and jockeys on the track and how well it raced, and it is that level of quality we aim to deliver every raceday.  Unfortunately, we did not meet those standards on this occasion. and we are committed to ensuring this does not happen again.

 

Our immediate focus is on ensuring that we fully understand what has caused the horse to slip on Saturday, so we are then in a position to target the root cause of the issue. In alignment with that investigation we are undertaking the following remedial work:

 

1. Vertidraining: From the winning post to the 1500m mark, we have completed vertidraining. This process de-compacts and aerates the track to soften the surface and break up compaction.
2. Penetrant/Surfactant Treatment: On Sunday morning, a special blend will be applied to help water distribute evenly through the track profile.
3. Irrigation Adjustments: We’ve improved the uniformity of the irrigation system to ensure consistent application.
4. Rail Adjustments: For the final day of the carnival, the rail will move back to its True position, the same as it was for day one of the carnival.

 

Following this work, Jumpouts that were previously scheduled will be run on Monday 30 September, this will confirm whether the above work has remedied the issues.  If further work is identified post Jumpouts we will extend the remediation to other areas of the track.

 

Once again, we sincerely apologise for Saturday’s outcome. We are determined to understand what led to this situation and make the necessary changes to prevent it from happening again. We fully understand that post Jumpouts a decision will need to be made by NZ Thoroughbred Racing, the RIB, Jockeys Association and HB Racing as to whether we are able to return in 2 weeks for the Livamol Classic, the decision will be made with respect to what is best for the industry, but we are focussed on ensuring the track will meet the highest standards, just as it did for the Tarzino Trophy raceday 3 weeks ago.

 

Thank you for your continued support.

 

 

Aaron Hamilton

Chief Executive

Ph  06 873 4097 |  M  027 771 8383

PO Box 1046, Hastings 4156  

300 Prospect Road, Hastings 4122

www.hawkesbayracing.co.nz

Empty words and platitudes and NOTHING will change, like putting a band aid on the titanic a waste of time...a joke and heads SHOULD roll but they NEVER do so this will keep happening over and over...a joke.

[nomates 4,967]

19 minutes ago, Insider said:

Ok guys, you have read my view on the subject [many years of skin in the game] plus the passionate views of others, some who I agree with and others that I think are well wide of the mark, inexperienced or simply ill informed.

Well here is the OFFICIAL VIEW FROM THE CLUB - HAWKES BAY RACING.

Subject: Arrowfield Stud Plate Raceday - Club update
 



Dear valued members

 

As a club, we share in the disappointment over Saturday’s race abandonment. The team has worked tirelessly over the last few months to bring the track up to a standard fitting of Group 1 racing, and we believe we achieved this for the Tarzino Trophy on September 7th.  Just three weeks ago, we received phenomenal feedback from key stakeholders and jockeys on the track and how well it raced, and it is that level of quality we aim to deliver every raceday.  Unfortunately, we did not meet those standards on this occasion. and we are committed to ensuring this does not happen again.

 

Our immediate focus is on ensuring that we fully understand what has caused the horse to slip on Saturday, so we are then in a position to target the root cause of the issue. In alignment with that investigation we are undertaking the following remedial work:

 

1. Vertidraining: From the winning post to the 1500m mark, we have completed vertidraining. This process de-compacts and aerates the track to soften the surface and break up compaction.
2. Penetrant/Surfactant Treatment: On Sunday morning, a special blend will be applied to help water distribute evenly through the track profile.
3. Irrigation Adjustments: We’ve improved the uniformity of the irrigation system to ensure consistent application.
4. Rail Adjustments: For the final day of the carnival, the rail will move back to its True position, the same as it was for day one of the carnival.

 

Following this work, Jumpouts that were previously scheduled will be run on Monday 30 September, this will confirm whether the above work has remedied the issues.  If further work is identified post Jumpouts we will extend the remediation to other areas of the track.

 

Once again, we sincerely apologise for Saturday’s outcome. We are determined to understand what led to this situation and make the necessary changes to prevent it from happening again. We fully understand that post Jumpouts a decision will need to be made by NZ Thoroughbred Racing, the RIB, Jockeys Association and HB Racing as to whether we are able to return in 2 weeks for the Livamol Classic, the decision will be made with respect to what is best for the industry, but we are focussed on ensuring the track will meet the highest standards, just as it did for the Tarzino Trophy raceday 3 weeks ago.

 

Thank you for your continued support.

 

 

Aaron Hamilton

Chief Executive

Ph  06 873 4097 |  M  027 771 8383

PO Box 1046, Hastings 4156  

300 Prospect Road, Hastings 4122

www.hawkesbayracing.co.nz

I appreciate why you have put this up , BUT ! 

 

59 minutes ago, Insider said:

It simply goes on and on, and yet the people in the suits simply say, we will have an in-depth review of the circumstances and report, or something similar

 

Rinse and repeat , as Scooby says heads should roll , not necessarily in this case , but somewhere , should have happened a long time ago , it might have sharpened some others into focus and prevented this becoming a rolling problem .

[Insider 4,786]

3 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Empty words and platitudes and NOTHING will change, like putting a band aid on the titanic a waste of time...a joke and heads SHOULD roll but they NEVER do so this will keep happening over and over...a joke.

I am prepared to give the Track Manager and the Club a chance in this instance even though [as stated, I am definitely on the losing end] because I don't believe that there is a problem with HB that cant be remedied, unlike; say the camber at Ellerslie or the man made road like surface underneath Riccarton. 

God, I hope that Manawatu is the exception with their rebuild, but I hold my breath given the man made cook-ups at Eagle Farm and the Gold Coast.

DO I NEED TO SAY ANY MORE?

[Canterbury Man 113]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

So you were there Trojan were you???? maybe you should apply for the TM job there.....

Yes I was there.  Where were you?

I walked the track.  Did you?

[Canterbury Man 113]

@nomates will you be there on Wednesday?  You'll be a shoe in race 2 with Billy on board.

 

[Canterbury Man 113]

@nomates will you be there on Wednesday?  You'll be a shoe in race 2 with Billy on board.

1 hour ago, Insider said:

camber out of the straight has never been an issue, so why is it now?

It has been an issue but no one has fixed it.  Just look at why the previous meetings were abandoned.

[nomates 4,967]

3 minutes ago, Insider said:

I am prepared to give the Track Manager and the Club a chance in this instance even though [as stated, I am definitely on the losing end] because I don't believe that there is a problem with HB that cant be remedied, unlike; say the camber at Ellerslie or the man made road like surface underneath Riccarton. 

God, I hope that Manawatu is the exception with their rebuild, but I hold my breath given the man made cook-ups at Eagle Farm and the Gold Coast.

DO I NEED TO SAY ANY MORE?

No , we are all on the same page , I'm not sure going on HB's history that they can solve the problems without major work taking place as they have had issues at different parts of the track . I share your hope around Awapuni otherwise it's going to be a long couple of years , especially with Trentham closing for extensive work .

Collectively holding our breath .

[Insider 4,786]

Nomates, I simply put it up to give the Club and their Management's point of view.

Nothing else.

My point of view is totally independent [and possible different] and furthermore other than regularly having horses run there, I have no connection with the Club.

The news release was sent to me by a member of the HBJC [or whatever they are called these days]  and I thought that it was worth sharing.

[nomates 4,967]

4 minutes ago, Canterbury Man said:

@nomates will you be there on Wednesday?  You'll be a shoe in race 2 with Billy on board.

 

No .

[Insider 4,786]

7 minutes ago, nomates said:

No , we are all on the same page , I'm not sure going on HB's history that they can solve the problems without major work taking place as they have had issues at different parts of the track . I share your hope around Awapuni otherwise it's going to be a long couple of years , especially with Trentham closing for extensive work .

That wont happen over my dead body, come hell or high water.

 

[nomates 4,967]

4 minutes ago, Insider said:

 

So is Trentham not closing down once Awapuni is up and running for a full track replacement ?? I thought it was . 

[Insider 4,786]

4 minutes ago, nomates said:

So is Trentham not closing down once Awapuni is up and running for a full track replacement ?? I thought it was . 

Don't always believe what you hear or read. In this day and age change is always on the cards and as I said....over my dead body. 

When I am dead and gone, I will have no control, but up until then, it is a different matter, and quite a number are in agreement.

[nomates 4,967]

4 minutes ago, Insider said:

Don't always believe what you hear or read. In this day and age change is always on the cards and as I said....over my dead body. 

When I am dead and gone, I will have no control, but up until then, it is a different matter, and quite a number are in agreement.

Interesting , didn't that come out in some NZTR information around tracks ?

So is any work going to be being done to Trentham ?

[Insider 4,786]

6 minutes ago, nomates said:

Interesting , didn't that come out in some NZTR information around tracks ?

So is any work going to be being done to Trentham ?

So now you believe everything that comes out of NZTR? 
After Riccarton, Te Aroha, Ellerslie and now Hastings I am starting to doubt you

As I said… Over my dead body. 

Please stop questioning me on the subject, as I’ve made my point of view very clear.

Liz
 

 

[nomates 4,967]

9 hours ago, Insider said:

So now you believe everything that comes out of NZTR? 
After Riccarton, Te Aroha, Ellerslie and now Hastings I am starting to doubt you

As I said… Over my dead body. 

Please stop questioning me on the subject, as I’ve made my point of view very clear.

Liz
 

 

You need to climb off your high horse , your the one making the big statements , and don't doubt me , whilst I admire your passion for Trentham it's has also my home track for 50+ years and I have many fond memories of the track , but don't be blinded , you forgot to add Trentham to that list of tracks with issues , so whilst I certainly have little faith in anything coming from NZTR I can only go on what information I have till someone comes out with something more definitive , unfortunately you putting your body on the line isn't definitive in my book .

Now as for things happening over "your dead body" if you do have that sort of conviction it is a shame it wasn't used more strenuously in defence of WRC when they were getting shit all over in regards to cup dates and ensuring it held it's place as the #2 club in the land , and making sure facilities were kept up to decent standard and overall not being treated like a raggedy old football , the place is a dump .

So stop talking down to me , and I have made my point of view very clear .

[racingoutsider 207]

Trentham aside, it doesn't sound like Sharrock sees much hope of the Livomol meeting going ahead at Hastings and he also cited the camber as a key factor in Saturday's incident whether you like it or not Insider.