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32 minutes ago, bloke said:

Poor Ted he is wandering around all day screaming Jacinda, he is having headaches grabbing at pills, he is rushing onto google to find Jacinda's latest news and shaking madly. Ted go back to what you know and talk about racing. Please for the sake of your health.

Nah Bloke, let him make a complete twat of himself being the adult debater of issues, boldly going where no man has gone before, holding Ardern to account., with photoshopped pics and comment on her speech impediment :D

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1 hour ago, hesi said:

Nah Bloke, let him make a complete twat of himself being the adult debater of issues, boldly going where no man has gone before, holding Ardern to account., with photoshopped pics and comment on her speech impediment :D

You are the one who debates with the masses (in vain usually), in fact I'd I would go as far to say you are quite an expert mass debater.  :P 

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Trying to make out this is an isolated event, come on. We now have a second case of someone coming forward, we have Mike Williams talking of similar things occurring when he was president and have they forgotten about the Darren Hughes incident or Hamish Goulter?

Covering up, doing nothing, hoping it will go away and then only acting when the incident is about to be broken by the media is a really bad look. Bringing in a former PSA activist now working in counselling services to say silence is important to protect the victims is a load of crock. Victims actually need a voice.

Now Jacinda Ardern is saying nothing further because a police investigation is underway. In fact all this it is going against what she wrote in 2016.  She obviously has a short memory. Remember all the controversy surrounding the Chiefs and the stripper in 2016. 

Here is what Jacinda Ardern wrote:

I’m a big believer that conversations can be the start of change. So let’s talk about the Chiefs.

I should disclose up front that they’re my team – have been since the very beginning. I’m a Morrinsville girl.

In part I blame my early onset tinnitus on moo loo bells. That’s how I know that, regardless of whether you are a rugby fan or not, these players are role models for a lot of young people. And that’s why headlines like the ones we’ve seen this week are so depressing to read.  

It’s 2016, and these are professional players – and that means being held to a high standard on the field as much as they are off it.

In an interview revealed this week, Kevin Roberts, the kiwi global advertising boss, suggested that gender diversity wasn’t an issue in his field. I obviously don’t work in his world, but many who do have stated that Roberts is unequivocally wrong.

But what do we do about that? In fact, what do we do about the vast range of fields where we continue to have massive under representation of women in senior roles? We should be asking why.

If there are claims that some are apparently choosing not to take on management roles, why is that? Are they completely unappealing work environments? Is there unconscious bias?

How about we ask women. Find out what’s going on and address it. I’m not holding my breath that will be the outcome in this particular case.

These conversations stop the moment there’s a resignation. It’s the PR quick fix – usher the source of the controversy away. But that solves nothing.

I don’t think Kevin Roberts should have been shown the door, or chosen to walk through it as the case may be – not when he needs to be a part of the conversation.

After all, apologies followed by silence changes nothing, and change is what we need.

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Personally I question the fact that Ardern knew absolutely nothing about this prior to being asked on Monday at the press conference. However a leftie journalist insisted yesterday that Jacinda is teflon clean because "she knew nothing about it" and that it won't affect her image. Really!!! Doesn't the buck stop at the top???

Mike Hosking: Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has failed miserably on summer camp sex abuse

So this, I think we can all agree, is the new Government's first major crisis - and it's into day four.

The good news for them is the lawyer they've hired takes the heat off them until the report is published, due to the fact that they can, with their most earnest of expressions, every time they're asked from here on in, say we have placed it under review.

And they can add, as the until-yesterday-invisible president of the party so extravagantly said, this is the most comprehensive review of a political party ever carried out.

But - and here's where they've failed and are still failing - no heads will roll. How on earth can they say that, if they don't know what the report says?

Unless, of course, the report will say pretty much what they want it to say. There were parental consent forms signed, under-age kids present, an MP supposedly looking out for trouble. All of that, ultimately, as we know only too well, turned to mush.

They've admitted guilt in terms of care and responsibility, they failed to call police or parents, they failed to do anything until weeks later. And with all that already on the table - and God knows what else coming - they can sit there and say no jobs are in trouble?

They've got rocks in their heads, and why this has been badly handled was there for all to see. Politics 101, I think even they would privately admit it now: never keep the party leader in the dark.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern failed miserably in terms of leadership in not owning this.

She failed miserably in trying to protect Labour Party general secretary Andrew Kirton and his actions. She failed miserably in waiting till Wednesday to get hold of this and own it.

No one cares about Andrew Kirton or the president, they care about the Prime Minister. And they want to be reassured the prime minister is strong forthright, knowledgeable, capable and on top of matters. Both with the state and within her Cabinet, her party and wider organisation, she has not been.

It is James Shaw and Metiria Turei all over again: pretend it's not a big deal, bluster your way through for a day or two hoping it will go away, and then when it's all too late and the damage has been done, it ends up the way it was always gong to end up - but with more victims and casualties dragged in for good measure.

This isn't a case of denial in which a report can offer solace or escape. There are already too many damning details and admissions.

This report will either be ugly, or really ugly, and by failing abysmally on that night in question they dug a hole for themselves, and then when it went public, kept digging. It's not a hole they can't get out of. They're six months into three years.

But the opening stanza of any government is about developing credibility and professionalism and, as so many who have contacted me so rightly ask, if after six months they're shown not to be able run a youth camp, how they going to run a country?


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Kiwis are more trusting?

by Christie on March 15, 2018 at 12:30pm

It really surprised me that this article came out on a day when the government is embroiled in a sexual assault scandal which was clearly covered up, and everyone is ducking for cover. I did notice, however, that it came off the front page of Stuff very quickly.

New Zealanders have generally become slightly more trusting of the nation’s institutions, a new report shows.

In particular, people have more trust in the Government and the media, less trust in non-governmental organisations (NGOs) and the same level of trust in business compared to a year ago, according to this year’s Acumen Edelman Trust Barometer

When compared to other countries, New Zealand bucks the trend with one of the highest levels of trust in the Government. About 51 per cent of the general public trust the Government, compared to 46 per cent last year.


Overall New Zealand has moved up one point on the global trust index to 44 points. China has the highest level of trust at 74 points while Australia has a rating of 40 points.

China? Oh please. If they are at the top of the list of trusted Governments, what on earth is the criteria? Not low corruption, obviously.

“This can be linked to our trust in the transparency of our Government and New Zealand’s status as one of the least corrupt countries in the world.”

However, the Government still had work to do, as it was failing to meet expectations on building infrastructure, driving economic prosperity, and ensuring the poorest were catered to, she said.

And on a few other things… illegally giving alcohol to minors, hushing up sexual assault at YL meetings. Oh, and promising to build 10,000 houses in 3 years, of which they do not have a hope in hell of achieving.

The media has become slightly more trusted by the general public, rising to 31 per cent, up from 29 per cent, but the fourth estate remains the least trusted institution in New Zealand.

“We can see that fake news is having a detrimental impact on trust in the media and other institutions, with almost two-thirds of Kiwis worried about the impact of fake news,” Keely said.

About 64 per cent of respondents could not recognise journalism from rumour, and they were also struggling to tell if a piece of news was produced by a respected media organisation.

New Zealanders expected media to be guarding information quality and educating people on important issues, she said.

Who produced this report? Hans Christian Andersen? Trust in the media is at an all time low. Maybe the figures have improved slightly because so few people actually engage with the mainstream media any more.

The survey found the media was seen to be undermining trust across institutions.
As a result, 62 per cent are not sure what is true and what is not, 42 per cent don’t know which politicians to trust, and 38 per cent don’t know which companies or brands to trust.
So 62% of people don’t know what is true any more, and trust in the media is improving? Really?
Trust in NGOs, including charities, also dropped.

NGOs were seen to be failing to protect people’s privacy and personal information, failing to ensure the poorest had the minimum they needed, and failing to ensure everyone had equal opportunities to succeed.

The report says NGOs have potential to step up.

Dead right. Stop playing political games and put the money given by decent, hardworking people to the use it was intended for. Trust in not-for-profit organisations is also at an all time low, mainly because they squander so much money in things that are not important.

My trust in the NZ Government dropped like a stone in October last year. This might have been because someone who won only 7% of the vote at the election decided to form a government while ignoring the party that had received the most votes. Since then, we have reeled from stupidity to serious crisis, and it is obviously not going to get better. Exacting utu is no way to run the country. That is why I will never trust this lot, no matter what.

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It keeps getting worse.

An eyewitness at the Young Labour party during the Waihi summer camp says it was a “recipe for disaster”, describing it as an unsupervised party where people were throwing up in toilets and in the bushes from excessive boozing.

And there was a giant walk-in fridge where anyone, including people as young as 15, could just walk in and grab any booze they wanted.

The man, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the public deserved to know the true nature of the event, during which a 20-year-old is alleged to have sexually assaulted four people aged between 16 and 18.  

“On the Saturday night, even before dinner, people were playing goon bag roulette with the clothes line, hanging a bag of cask wine and sitting underneath it and spinning the clothes line,” the man said.

“On the Sunday morning after the incidents occurred, people were vomiting in toilets and in the bushes and were not able to attend morning speeches because they were so intoxicated from the night before.”

He said partying was the unofficial purpose of the weekend, where about 60 people attended, including about 20 people under 18 and as young as 15.

“It’s been spun as a conference gone bad, but it was really a weekend-long piss up, with no supervision of young people.

They chose that venue because it has a full-size walk-in chiller. A mountain of alcohol is absolutely correct. People could just go in and grab as much booze as they wanted. People were drinking within hours of arriving.”

That kind of belies Jacinda Arderns claims that she didn’t see anything. They were drinking within hours.

The man said that the young people at the camp had agreed not to drink or take drugs.

“But there wasn’t any supervision of any kind. It was an honour system, but there was no enforcement.

People at the camp were told about a helpline they could call, but he said mobile coverage was so limited that the helpline was practically pointless.

”They told us on the morning of day three to send a text, because it was more likely to get through.”

He said he did not witness any of the alleged offending, nor any drug use.

I witnessed the [alleged] offender and a victim having a conversation. It seemed to turn a little bit nasty. It went from being quite a benign conversation to quite a tense situation.”

He said the next day he was told someone had been sent away for drunken behaviour, but there had been no mention of possible sexual misconduct. An email from Young Labour to the victims in the days that followed was not good enough.

“There was no offer to talk to parents or support in making a police report. There was no phone call follow-up.

“It was treated as an individual thing that happened between two people, much like if it had happened at a flat party. But it wasn’t a flat party. The Prime Minister attended the event, sanctioned by the Labour Party, even if it was run by Young Labour.

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By Tony Trotter


WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?” That’s the question which thousands of New Zealanders put to their families, friends, workmates and, of course, to themselves, when they learned what had happened at Labour’s 2018 summer school, held at the Waitawheta Camp near Waihi on 9-11 Februray.

The errors of judgement made by the event organisers, and then compounded by the party organisation’s leadership, have been well rehearsed over the past week.

Too many participants under the age of 18; too much alcohol; too little supervision; too few people with the experience required to manage a serious crisis; too many party members desperate to avoid a scandal.

And welcome to the scandal they tried to coverup.

And that was just for starters. Having been informed by four sixteen-year-olds that they had been sexually assaulted by an extremely drunk twenty-year-old male, the summer school organisers failed to either lay a complaint with the Police or inform the victims’ parents of what had happened to their children.

Even more astonishing was the revelation that the highly contentious decisions of the “first responders” were not immediately countermanded by the Labour Party’s General Secretary, Andrew Kirton. Not only was the senior administrative officer of the NZ Labour Party unwilling to involve the Police and the parents, but he was also unwilling to inform the leader of his party, the Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern!

Why does he still have a job?

It was only when Labour’s senior officials realised that the story was about to break in the news media, that any serious thought was given to how the country might react to the summer school scandal. The extent to which these officials failed to anticipate the public’s response is, politically-speaking, one of the most concerning aspects of the whole, sorry saga.

They weren’t involved in a  victim-led process, they were involved in a  butt-covering process and a cover-up.

Instead of putting themselves in the shoes of the ordinary Kiwi parent of a teenage daughter or son and trying to imagine how they might feel about a political party which kept themselves, the cops and the Prime Minister – for goodness sake! – in the dark about their kids being sexually assaulted, the party organisation opted instead to frame its public response in terms of the victims’ right to determine what, if anything, should be done about the summer school incident.

The party’s senior officials did not believe they had the right to inform anyone about the events of 10 February without the consent of the young people directly affected. In taking this position, they were following the lead of doctors, counsellors and teachers who refuse to involve the parents of the young people who come to them seeking advice on sexual intimacy, contraceptives or, more rarely, the termination of unplanned pregnancies. According to Andrew Kirton, the party organisation was following the “victim-led” protocols of individuals and agencies who deal with sexual trauma on a daily basis.

Except that wasn’t what happened, they actually did nothing for a month, then when media were about to break the story they rushed into the “victim-led” process.

Nor should it be forgotten that it was only a few years ago that the Labour Party membership came within a few votes of carrying a remit calling for the voting age to be lowered to 16. Should New Zealand parents be surprised that a political party which seriously considered allowing 16-year-olds to vote, decided to allow the four 16-year-old victims of the summer school incident to set the parameters within which the rest of the world would be granted access to their own, extremely personal, experiences?

By adopting this impeccably “progressive” stance, Andrew Kirton and his comrades have forced Labour back into the same perilous political position it took up to defend the so-called “anti-smacking” legislation.

Morally-speaking, that was unquestionably the right thing to do. Politically-speaking, it was the height of folly. Far too many of its working-class voters interpreted Labour’s stance on smacking as an implied criticism of the way they’d raised their kids.

On this issue, Labour seems to be saying: “We’re not going to tell you that some drunken creep has groped your daughter/son during an out-of-control party at one of our summer schools, because we don’t believe you have the right to be informed.

In the words of the irrepressible editor of The Daily Blog, Martyn Bradbury:

“That position is utterly untenable to every single voting parent in NZ. And that this is the best excuse Labour could come up with since the event is a terrible blunder and political miscalculation. As the enormity of [Labour’s] defence sinks-in to every voting parent in the country, the backlash will grow and grow and grow.”

Jacinda Ardern simply cannot allow that to happen.

Too late, her own obfuscation hasn’t helped matters either.








































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Weasel award of the week

by SB




Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has earned the Weasel award of the week for saying that if she had to sack everyone who made a mistake, there would be no one left in politics.

“We absolutely accept mistakes have been made and from a range of different people involved,” Jacinda Ardern told Newshub Nation on Saturday morning, when asked about the Young Labour summer camp scandal.

“But, look, if everyone who ever made a mistake in their job was sacked, we wouldn’t be left with many people left, particularly in politics.

“I’m sure I will make mistakes in the way that I continue to manage this on an ongoing basis too, but we will do our best.”

Ardern’s weasel statement is basically a get-out-of-jail-free card. Labour have always called for heads to roll when National party people have made a ‘mistake’ and many National MPs have resigned when their ‘mistakes’ have been made public.

John Key was particularly ruthless when it came to ‘mistakes’ and he was prepared to throw even innocent people under the bus if the accusations against them made him and his government look bad. In complete contrast, Labour under Jacinda Ardern seem to think that there should be no serious consequences for ‘mistakes’, even when they are 100% guilty as charged, if they are from her people.

So, what were these ‘mistakes’ that Ardern thinks are no big deal?

  1. Broke the law by supplying alcohol to minors (the MSM seems to be totally ignoring this ‘mistake’).
  2. No supervision of young people under their care while they were intoxicated.
  3. Four alleged sexual assaults occurred.
  4. Broke the law by using unlicensed premises to supply alcohol (the MSM seems to be ignoring this ‘mistake’ as well).
  5. They didn’t offer professional help to the alleged victims until 28 days later!
  6. They didn’t involve the police despite four very serious accusations of criminal conduct.
  7. They made the decision to hide the assaults from the multiple underage victims’ parents by not informing them about what happened.
  8. Labour MP Megan Woods didn’t tell the Prime Minister what happened.

Of those eight serious ‘mistakes’ above, our Prime Minister seems only mildly concerned about two of them.

Ms Ardern says the “major mistake” on his part was his delay in “putting support around those young people”.

[…] Ms Ardern said she didn’t think Mr Kirton should lose his job, but wouldn’t rule out the possibility he’d be asked to go following an external review of the party’s handling of the incident.

[…] She said that while there was criticism of Mr Kirton, there have also been “…people who’ve worked in the sexual abuse space who’ve said on some elements he did absolutely the right thing. So it does go both ways.”

She’s also defending Labour MP Megan Woods’ decision not to inform the Prime Minister straight away. Ms Ardern only found out through the media last week.

“That’s political management. And, look, we can talk about whether or not a no-surprises policy should’ve kicked in at that point, but actually, the more important point was working alongside the party to get the support for these young people.”

Labour MP Liz Craig, who was pictured at the camp beside young people consuming beverages, was asleep when the alleged assault occurred. However Ms Ardern says it’s not yet established whether the drinks were alcoholic.

We have seen leaked videos of drunk young people dancing on tables as well as read eyewitness accounts of young people vomiting into bushes. Then there is the indisputable photographic evidence of Labour list MP Liz Craig, drinking alcohol with young people at night. Of course, it has been established that the drinks were alcoholic!

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It certainly wouldn't sit well with me thats for sure.A crime committed against a 16 year old and the parents not told....mount up boys and bring the ammo.

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