Huey

New Stallions 2018

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Zacinto has relocated to Valachi Down’s $15,000. Has made a super start at stud from a low fee and a South Island base with 5 stakeswinners already from only 50 or so starters.

Do feel sorry for the South Island having recently lost 2 promising stallions in Zacinto and Highly Recommended that have made a super start from modest books.

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38 minutes ago, Huey said:

This is interesting  might get a few small breeders back in the game

https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/racing/incentive-breeders

 

Interesting, depends what stage he will ‘buy’ these foals back?, as it woudnt be to much of a profit after you have paid the $3,000 + GST service fee, paid for vet bills, agistment, vet expenses, foaling fees, NZTR Stud book costs etc.

But an effective way for him to get numbers on the ground of his stallion , foal numbers on the ground in the region in general, a way for breeders to get their dam’s progeny racing without their output (just hoping they dont go to China) and a bit of an ‘insurance policy’ for breeders.

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War Decree has been announced to stand at Inglewood Stud as a replacement for Zacinto (Kevin Hickman heavily involved in the ownership also of this new stallion)

A G2 and G3 winner by War Front out of a Street Cry mare, standing for $6,500

 

Good luck to them, hope he can have the same success Zacinto has given them.

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11 minutes ago, Breeder said:

War Decree looks like a worthy replacement. From the same very good female family as Postponed

Lovely female line (Terlingua), War Decree's 5th dam (Chapel Of Dreams) is Postponed's 2nd dam from memory.

War Decree was a very well performed 2yo that didn't really train on and wasn't of the standard required for the major races he was targeted towards (therefore his price), not training on has been a bit of a trait among the War Front progeny although in recent times Coolmore have had a bit of luck with his progeny as older horses (Declaration Of War, Roly Poly come to mind)

Looks to have some nice credentials pedigree wise and race form wise and looks a nice type.

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10 hours ago, BruceL said:

Interesting, depends what stage he will ‘buy’ these foals back?, as it woudnt be to much of a profit after you have paid the $3,000 + GST service fee, paid for vet bills, agistment, vet expenses, foaling fees, NZTR Stud book costs etc.

But an effective way for him to get numbers on the ground of his stallion , foal numbers on the ground in the region in general, a way for breeders to get their dam’s progeny racing without their output (just hoping they dont go to China) and a bit of an ‘insurance policy’ for breeders.

Of course that’s where they will end up.....you’ll be doing his job for him...no such thing as a free lunch! 

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24 minutes ago, La Zip said:

Of course that’s where they will end up.....you’ll be doing his job for him...no such thing as a free lunch! 

 

11 hours ago, BruceL said:

Interesting, depends what stage he will ‘buy’ these foals back?, as it woudnt be to much of a profit after you have paid the $3,000 + GST service fee, paid for vet bills, agistment, vet expenses, foaling fees, NZTR Stud book costs etc.

But an effective way for him to get numbers on the ground of his stallion , foal numbers on the ground in the region in general, a way for breeders to get their dam’s progeny racing without their output (just hoping they dont go to China) and a bit of an ‘insurance policy’ for breeders.

We thought it was interesting marketing and some will take the opportunity but when you add up the costs until weaning it is not cheap! Maybe we should have not done the exercise as we now know where all our money goes :-)

Also if you own the mare and the resulting foal lands up in China it is not helping her pedigree page.

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7 hours ago, BruceL said:

Lovely female line (Terlingua), War Decree's 5th dam (Chapel Of Dreams) is Postponed's 2nd dam from memory.

War Decree was a very well performed 2yo that didn't really train on and wasn't of the standard required for the major races he was targeted towards (therefore his price), not training on has been a bit of a trait among the War Front progeny although in recent times Coolmore have had a bit of luck with his progeny as older horses (Declaration Of War, Roly Poly come to mind)

Looks to have some nice credentials pedigree wise and race form wise and looks a nice type.

Like War Front (Claiborne Farm always seem to have nice stallions), also liked Sweet Orange but he did not seem get support while he was here.

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1 hour ago, La Zip said:

Of course that’s where they will end up.....you’ll be doing his job for him...no such thing as a free lunch! 

Absoultely!

Has stated that some will end up in China and some in NZ so you would have to expect that, but to be fair if you are breeding at a level and hoping/relying on a $10,000 deal where you woudnt be making much profit at all you cant be picky, we are talking low level!

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50 minutes ago, Dibbles said:

Like War Front (Claiborne Farm always seem to have nice stallions), also liked Sweet Orange but he did not seem get support while he was here.

Comparing Hong Kong International Listed form to Irish Group form i guess and I believe the new boy has a much better pedigree.

Sweet Orange now serving in QLD

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11 hours ago, Dibbles said:

 

We thought it was interesting marketing and some will take the opportunity but when you add up the costs until weaning it is not cheap! Maybe we should have not done the exercise as we now know where all our money goes :-)

Also if you own the mare and the resulting foal lands up in China it is not helping her pedigree page.

I guess it means if they go to the Weanling sale they should at least have a $10k reserve on them instead of seeing them go for $500 , wouldn't be a bad deal if he was going to race them in Aus/NZ but they seem to disappear into oblivion when they head to China.

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On 5/24/2018 at 4:13 AM, BruceL said:

War Decree has been announced to stand at Inglewood Stud as a replacement for Zacinto (Kevin Hickman heavily involved in the ownership also of this new stallion)

A G2 and G3 winner by War Front out of a Street Cry mare, standing for $6,500

 

Good luck to them, hope he can have the same success Zacinto has given them.

Smart moves all round with bringing Zacinto up north and bringing War Darcee in with that pricing strategy.  Seems a sustainable model. 

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6 hours ago, Huey said:

Son of Street Sense to stud

 

http://www.nzracing.co.nz/News/24713/Well-bred-stakes-winner-to-stud.aspx

 

Price will be interesting

Would have to be standing for next to nothing, no real race performance (4 wins from 30 starts, won a Listed 2100m 3yo race), all that really stands out is that his 3rd dam was a champion.

Likely to serve a handful of mares at most.

 

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38 minutes ago, BruceL said:

Would have to be standing for next to nothing, no real race performance (4 wins from 30 starts, won a Listed 2100m 3yo race), all that really stands out is that his 3rd dam was a champion.

Likely to serve a handful of mares at most.

 

Yes you'd expect under $1.5k if they r looking at getting some mares to him. 

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Why would you bother? By all means send your own mares but with the owner/Breeder virtually out of commission, it just seems a waste of time and effort. Good luck to them and the future young horses...

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1 hour ago, La Zip said:

Why would you bother? By all means send your own mares but with the owner/Breeder virtually out of commission, it just seems a waste of time and effort. Good luck to them and the future young horses...

I don't begrudge anyone willing to stand a stallion or send a mare to stud best of luck to them.

No ones holding a gun to ya head to send a mare, sane was said about Eighth Wonder and many others ,  I kind of like this guy's pedigree admittedly it's gonna be hard work getting numbers. 

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The owners of Thunder Down Under have a suitable property to stand him at so what have they got to lose? If you look at the sale of Monaco Consul  for about A$40k then TDU would not sell easily as a stallion in Australia and if he did, would not sell for much, based on MC's price. So as I say, they really have nothing to lose .

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45 minutes ago, Swoopa said:

Does anyone know the service  fee of Mastercraftsmen before  he left NZ?

Cheers

2013 his last year in NZ

Windsor Park Stud 2013 stallion fees

   

Rip Van Winkle

$18,000

Mastercraftsman

$17,500

Pour Moi

$16,000

Falkirk

$8,000

TheWayYouAre

$7,500

Guillotine

$7,000

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