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Banks Peninsula TC - Sunday, 24th January 2021

Driver B Butt admitted a breach of Rule 513(3)(a)(c) & (4)(c) in that he provided a breath alcohol sample in excess of 100 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath. After hearing submissions on penalty, the JCA suspended Mr Butt's licence from the conclusion of racing on 31 January 2021 up to and including 28 March 2021 (8 weeks).

 

No mention about Blair's punishment - should be less surely based on number of drives per week compared to Bob's

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2 hours ago, Spikecity said:
Banks Peninsula TC - Sunday, 24th January 2021

Driver B Butt admitted a breach of Rule 513(3)(a)(c) & (4)(c) in that he provided a breath alcohol sample in excess of 100 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath. After hearing submissions on penalty, the JCA suspended Mr Butt's licence from the conclusion of racing on 31 January 2021 up to and including 28 March 2021 (8 weeks).

 

No mention about Blair's punishment - should be less surely based on number of drives per week compared to Bob's

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Care required Spike re punishment as he is currently innocent having not appeared as yet to face similar  charge.

That may suggest he is contesting charge. 

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One of his friends told me he was appearing today to face the charges. He said BO's reading was 220 but as their is so much speculation these days on these matter who knows how accurate that is.

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1 hour ago, eljay said:

Thursday - before Addington meeting?

 

Makes more sense and would be cheaper if found guilty as costs are usually waived on race day enquiries as all parties are their anyway

 

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Driver B Orange admitted a breach of Rule 513(3)(a)(c) & (4)(c) in that he provided a breath alcohol sample in excess of 100 micrograms of alcohol per litre of breath. After hearing submissions on penalty, the JCA suspended Mr Orange's licence from the conclusion of racing on 8 February up to and including 5 April 2021 (8 weeks) and in addition imposed a fine of $1000 with further costs of $750 to the JCA.

Or , the more wordy interpretation from Mick

 

"Two of New Zealand's leading harness racing drivers face eight-week suspensions after failing blood alcohol tests at a Canterbury race meeting.

Premiership leader Blair Orange and recent Group 1-winning trainer-driver Bob Butt both returned blood alcohol breathalyser results over racing's allowed limit at the Motukarara meeting in Canterbury on January 24.

The pair were both tested before the races started and after being above the limit for harness drivers, which is lower than for drivers of a motor vehicle. Both were stood down from driving for the day.

Both men have previously failed raceday blood alcohol tests on one previous occasion and have now been handed eight-week suspensions of their racing drivers' licences.

Butt started his suspension this week while Orange starts his on Tuesday after his hearing yesterday

The pair will also have to see a councillor specialising in alcohol problems.

Orange is New Zealand's top harness racing driver and told the Herald he apologises to those inside the industry and punters.

"I am very remorseful over what happened and will try and make amends," he said last night.

"I went to two functions the night before and had a bit to drink and was home just after midnight, woke up feeling okay and went to work not thinking anything of it.

"So I was surprised and disappointed to blow a positive test and I am looking forward to working through how I can deal with alcohol better."

The suspension comes a few months after champion jockey Chris Johnson was also suspended for the same offence. He has since returned to racing and set a national record for wins with 2452."
 

M Guerin

NZ Herald

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Just now, eljay said:

But Spike - consistency.     Why should his punishment be more.      (or less)       

I'm with you on this , how many times have we seen posters complain about inconsistency from RIU re sentences. For mine its a case of same crime same time as both are repeat offenders.

The next phase is seeing full RIU case script if your that interested. Given they got 8 weeks i'm thinking its a case of them doing the crime and now doing the time.

 

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22 hours ago, eljay said:

But Spike - consistency.     Why should his punishment be more.      (or less)       

So cost wise Bob gets punished $xxx and Blair $xxx times 5 or on what you are saying if Mr x gets caught and drives once every two weeks he should get 8 weeks too - nothing consistent there - it should be based on the cost to each person

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22 hours ago, Spikecity said:

Find it hard to believe he got the same sentence as Bob - Blair would drive at least five times as many horses as Bob

Destroy your own attempt at logic Spike. If that is the case Blair should have 5x as much in the bin as Bob to sustain himself over the period of the suspension. next you will be telling us speeding tickets should be directly aligned to the make and model of the car being driven.😕

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29 minutes ago, Spikecity said:

So cost wise Bob gets punished $xxx and Blair $xxx times 5 or on what you are saying if Mr x gets caught and drives once every two weeks he should get 8 weeks too - nothing consistent there - it should be based on the cost to each person

You don't get it Spike, do you.       To use your thinking - if Someone on the dole raped your wife he should get less punishment than what a millionaire should.         

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2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

Destroy your own attempt at logic Spike. If that is the case Blair should have 5x as much in the bin as Bob to sustain himself over the period of the suspension. next you will be telling us speeding tickets should be directly aligned to the make and model of the car being driven.😕

Traffic fines or court fines are usually fixed and have no bearing on who you are or what you finacially.

The penalties in racing are very flexible and usually based on how much the person is affected.

Eljay asked for consistency - Denis OConnell got 6 months for "incompetence" based on one drive, you can go through any race meeting and point out worse cases of  "incompetence" in several instances and nothing happens.

My point is the penalty of 6 month (or whatever it was) was nothing to someone who hardly ever drives and is just as happy sitting on the sideline.

Whether Blair had enough to sustain himself or not has nothing to do with it.

The time period is the same (consistent) - the cost to each person (Blair, Bob or Denis) is not.

I have no ties to any these people and admit that Blair probably argued his case the same way I have but as we know there are vindettas against some and not others - examples and not picking on AGH (I could name so many others as I am sure you could) - Sqeezing in on B to B where there wasn't enough room and puncturing his tyre (nothing done), running inside the markers because of his horse breaking and then pushing back into the feild and disorganizing it and then winning (nothing done), anyone else driving Krug into the first bend last night and checking two runners would have got a holiday

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13 hours ago, Lee270744 said:

I do see there are 378 ;licensed trainers not counting partners has anyone mentioned to them the game is finished, surely they cant be all that dumb.

Im not sure anyone has said the game is finished, its seriously declining from an integrity point of view and i know of many who wont touch harness when it comes to punting.

Less meetings with smaller fields like Auckland are symptoms of a declining  industry. When overseas turnover on local Dogs beats Harness you know something is seriously wrong.

 

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