TRENTHAM TRACK FOR SATURDAYS BIG MEETING

[scooby3051 13,151]

Hi Insider and any other locals can we get some real time info on the weather and the prospective track conditions for Saturdays big meeting. Great fields some of the best all year...lets hope the weather plays ball and the famed Trentham can be at its best.

[Zakhu 626]

2 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

Hi Insider and any other locals can we get some real time info on the weather and the prospective track conditions for Saturdays big meeting. Great fields some of the best all year...lets hope the weather plays ball and the famed Trentham can be at its best.

I live just over 5 minutes from Trentham racecourse, and can tell you that we did have some heavy rain occur on Tuesday, very misty with some rain falling on Wednesday, clearing around lunch time but not getting overly warm at the same time. Today is fine with quite a bit of blue sky around, currently 18 degrees with it expected to get to 22 mid afternoon. 

Could get a little bit of drizzle tomorrow morning and along with some morning cloud but the sun will break through by midday and warm up into the low 20's. 

Track currently rated a Soft 6, I'd expect that to be a Soft 5 tomorrow morning or after the first race, so the track should have a bit of give in it. 

I agree, superb fields, perhaps they could move Wellington Cup carnival to this time? Lucy looks a home run in the Oaks but as for the other feature races they are wide open (excellent to see). Betty Spaghetti, Wingman & Mystic Park would be my 3 in the other group races. 

[scooby3051 13,151]

Thanks for the update lets hope you are right.

[Insider 5,250]

Hi Boss, Zakhu’s reply is just about spot on.
It’s a lovely day here, currently 22 degrees going to 24 the experts say, and it’s certainly possible. 
Tomorrow is forecast for 22 so that’s pretty good. 
The official figures for the actual rainfall were less than I was expecting hence the the better track rating than I was expecting! 
In my opinion it should be a lovely kind track for all runners. My guess though is that they will get off the fence as the day wears on - as they always do once it’s had a bit of rain on it.

P.S. Our horse is coming out of the St Ledger, not because of the track but because at set weights he can’t beat horses in the field that have won the NZ Cup, the Wellington Cup or the Auckland Cup! 
Maybe the St Ledger after this running will get its Black Type back

 

 

 

[scooby3051 13,151]

Thank you both...hope the track plays well so the naysayers, or mostly naysayer, we all know who will then hopefully keep quiet, wont be holding my breath though.

Good luck with the meeting its a huge day.

[Canterbury Man 189]

Interested to know if anyone can explain how a 1.7% drop in moisture content correlates to a 2 point rating change from 8 to 6.  Also why the moisture reading at today's 6 is still 3% wetter than Tuesdays reading when the rating was also 6.

[scooby3051 13,151]

I knew he could not help himself...right on Que...

[Canterbury Man 189]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

I knew he could not help himself...right on Que...

Sorry but how is that being a naysayer?  Just asking questions about the reported rating of the track.  It doesn't seem to bear any relationship to other measures and as in the past is not likely to bear any relationship to actual race conditions and times.

Now I could ask another question but then you are likely to not approve this post.  If what I asked isn't a fair question then don't approve the post.  Many are asking.

[Irish 338]

2 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

I knew he could not help himself...right on Que...

Scooby, I'd like to say " f*** me, I don' t understand a word he typed" but knew you'd growl at me for using a 4 letter word so cleverly disguised it. 

Your self control, in the face of idiocy, amazes me.

[scooby3051 13,151]

2 hours ago, Irish said:

Scooby, I'd like to say " f*** me, I don' t understand a word he typed" but knew you'd growl at me for using a 4 letter word so cleverly disguised it. 

Your self control, in the face of idiocy, amazes me.

He is masquerading as one of his many internet alias's here and elsewhere ...he just tries to stir...even posts and replies to himself elsewhere...but he likes to come here as we have traffic for him to argue with...he has been harping on about Trentham with no evidence for ages...just humor him Irish.

[Al Feilding 311]

Fek me Irish you been away too long 

[Canterbury Man 189]

12 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

He is masquerading as one of his many internet alias's here and elsewhere ...he just tries to stir...even posts and replies to himself elsewhere...but he likes to come here as we have traffic for him to argue with...he has been harping on about Trentham with no evidence for ages...just humor him Irish.

There is ample evidence but you refuse to post it.  

[scooby3051 13,151]

32 minutes ago, Canterbury Man said:

There is ample evidence but you refuse to post it.  

Nonsense...you just hate the place and are one eyed when it comes to it...and yes I will allow what I think is relevant to be posted...dont like it dont post.

[Canterbury Man 189]

1 hour ago, scooby3051 said:

Nonsense...you just hate the place and are one eyed when it comes to it...and yes I will allow what I think is relevant to be posted...dont like it dont post.

No I don't "hate the place".  I just object to what is either the manipulation or short cuts taken with regard to the track readings.  The track ratings bear no relationship to the moisture meter readings.  Nor do race times and there is a significant difference in actual ratings and the various parts of the track.  

There is no evidence that a penetrometer is used to give any of the ratings.  Essentially they are unreliable and there have been a number of instances where the ratings have affected trainers decisions when those particular ratings have been wrong.

That said the issue I've highlighted just doesn't happen at Trentham but at other tracks as well.  In many respects it challenges the integrity of our racing from a training and wagering perspective.  If the industry continues to put its head in the sand on the issue or turn a blind eye then there is only one outcome.

[scooby3051 13,151]

Ha ha maybe you should apply for a track managers job, you seem to know more than they do whether it be here, Riccarton or Ellerslie, I can not believe they are not chasing you to be involved with all this so called knowledge you have...no wonder Suloon girl is impressed....

[Chestnut 3,414]

Actually what CM is saying regarding differences around the track is not too far off.   The Trentham track has an old river bed below it and in a lot of places there is heavy rock formation once you dig down a couple of feet, this was unfortunately highlighted when a pipe needed to be dug up right across the track where the winning post is, some years ago..   If you get a lot of rain it very quickly turns boggy which we have seen happen over the years and it can take a while for certain areas to dry out due to this.   To get an even track in past years the sprinklers have come out over specific areas.

And you know I'm not a naysayer Scooby    Adore Trentham..  grew up on the track and still consider it home!  

[scooby3051 13,151]

10 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

Actually what CM is saying regarding differences around the track is not too far off.   The Trentham track has an old river bed below it and in a lot of places there is heavy rock formation once you dig down a couple of feet, this was unfortunately highlighted when a pipe needed to be dug up right across the track where the winning post is, some years ago..   If you get a lot of rain it very quickly turns boggy which we have seen happen over the years and it can take a while for certain areas to dry out due to this.   To get an even track in past years the sprinklers have come out over specific areas.

So how do you know they did not do this to ensure an even track...its easy for CM to just simply knock things without having actual facts...his assumption does not make it correct.

[scooby3051 13,151]

Track looked pretty fair for the first running on from everywhere...

[Chestnut 3,414]

1 minute ago, scooby3051 said:

So how do you know they did not do this to ensure an even track...its easy for CM to just simply knock things without having actual facts...his assumption does not make it correct.

That's what I said, they did put the sprinkler on some areas to make it even in the past, I know this because my dad was Track Manager there for a lot of years.  The track can be patchy when left as it is when there has been a lot of rain due to the make of the ground below.   This in some cases is due to the camber, but after heavy rain it can be due to the drainage or lack of in some cases.   

[Chestnut 3,414]

4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Track looked pretty fair for the first running on from everywhere...

I think it should be, the weather has been pretty good to enable a decent track for all today.

[Canterbury Man 189]

10 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

its easy for CM to just simply knock things without having actual facts

I am quoting facts based on the evidence published.  Yes the track may race OK today however the reporting of track ratings and they way they are measured don't add up.  The weather has been kind today to Trentham as it was last week to Wanganui.

Explain how Ellerlsie are allowed to continually say their track is a Soft 5 when they don't actually use anything quantitative to measure it?  How many other "Strathayr" tracks in the world only measure moisture levels which appear to have no correlation to the track rating/condition?

Seriously though does this look like a track that is being well looked after?  Trentham today.

[scooby3051 13,151]

All you have ever done is knocked Ellerslie from day one. I also was critical to start with but it has improved due to extensive and constant work on it, still not 100% right yet but a huge improvement, however you just never can give an ounce of credit when any is due...negative Nelly... cant you just be positive for a second, its actually not that bad.....

[Canterbury Man 189]

20 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

All you have ever done is knocked Ellerslie from day one. I also was critical to start with but it has improved due to extensive and constant work on it, still not 100% right yet but a huge improvement, however you just never can give an ounce of credit when any is due...negative Nelly... cant you just be positive for a second, its actually not that bad.....

Really?  A couple of abandoned meetings, carnage at the first KM night, remedial work and continual mechanical intervention repeatedly during the week preceding a race meeting and in your words it still isn't 100% right.  I hear there were a few casualties out of Champions Day too.  But if you're happy and positive all is good.

Back to Trentham today.

They run 1:07.83 on a Soft 6.  So is the rating wrong or is the unevenly irrigated shute as hard as concrete?  

The commentator can't actually see the horses for the first 600m except from a drone - same as the Stewards.  However the drone does show us that a barely 3m wide strip was irrigated down the shute.

[scooby3051 13,151]

See I was 100% correct negative negative negative....go back to your pit and have your discussions with yourself...I am tired of all your negativity sorry....SLG will be happy with the negativity .

And you seem to know nothing, times in races are due to the tempo of the horses and their jockeys...slow pace means slower times...just look at the way the races have been run so far there today....but I am sure you will still argue, just for the sake of it.

[Pete Lane 1,373]

2 hours ago, Canterbury Man said:

Really?  A couple of abandoned meetings, carnage at the first KM night, remedial work and continual mechanical intervention repeatedly during the week preceding a race meeting and in your words it still isn't 100% right.  I hear there were a few casualties out of Champions Day too.  But if you're happy and positive all is good.

Back to Trentham today.

They run 1:07.83 on a Soft 6.  So is the rating wrong or is the unevenly irrigated shute as hard as concrete?  

The commentator can't actually see the horses for the first 600m except from a drone - same as the Stewards.  However the drone does show us that a barely 3m wide strip was irrigated down the shute.

Who were the 'casualties'?