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chiknsmack
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What have those in power been saying when you've been bringing these rule breaches up to them? The RIU have always addressed my questions and complaints pretty promptly.
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21 hours ago, stodge said:
I have to confess my knowledge of German form is almost non existent - the highest rated horse in the field is called SUGAR LOAF but why I don't know.
The dam is Zamrud (Emerald). Sugarloaf is a type of gemstone cut. Though maybe I'm being led astray by the second-highest rater, named Juwelier.
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49 minutes ago, Peter R S said:
Does anyone think it's fair that the two runners who L = LOST RIDER and P = PULLED UP get paid stakes money but the D = DISQUALIFIED runners don't ?
That just seems plain wrong - an explanation would be interesting.
The "lost rider" and "pulled up" runners competed in the race, so get paid. The disqualified runners are considered to have not competed in the race, so don't.
Rule 1102: "If a horse placed by a Judge in a Race is disqualified pursuant to these Rules after running that Race, then for the purposes of placings it shall be regarded as if it did not start the Race and the placings will be altered accordingly."
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Smug will have to be a bet next time; took the long way home and still won. The DQ looks a bit harsh really.
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3 hours ago, Nerula said:
recent account $212.75 incl GST
That's $185 ex gst, and NZTR throw in another $15 ex gst.
https://nztr.co.nz/sites/nztrindustry/files/2024-07/NZTR Riding Fees 2024-26_0.pdf
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Trentham 2-7 The Republican.
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1 hour ago, Ripples said:
I do have accounts with both Sportsbet and Bet365 and I know by betting with them that they contribute zilch to the NZ industry.
Except they do contribute to the NZ industry. https://www.dia.govt.nz/Racing-Policy---Point-of-Consumption-Charges
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Before Singapore shut down Fortuna picked up a few "Colts Syndicate" rejects off Inglis Digital and had some fun with them. There's a chance to do the same for a few years before racing shuts down here too; not competing in the mid-six-figure range like yesterday's saletopper ($1.4m yearling flop sold to HK for $500k) but $60k for a midweek maiden winner in Sydney who can win a few races over a few years here.
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On pedigree you can see why they sent him north; Justify over Fastnet over Cape Cross seems perfect for Galileo mares. He won't get many of them though without reverse shuttling.
A Slipper-placed son of a global super-stallion, who may or may not have been mismanaged and so been even better than his record, for $15k doesn't seem a bad deal.
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2 hours ago, Tauhei Notts said:
That Ombudsman's win was brilliant. The prices were a bit skew wiff. Los Angeles started at 6 to 4 fixed and 5 to 4 on!, on the tote. The tote win pool was $3.04mil, so it wasn't an aberattion. One has to get up at an ungodly hour to see these races, but Los Angeles was in a bigger muck lather than the LA mayor during the wildfires.
I note that the tote's quinella pool was about $2.5mil which suggests that there may have been big big Hong Kong money involved. Ryan Moore is a hero in Hong Kong, but not even Ryan Moore could win on a horse in that condition.
Both Coolmore horses sweated up badly, then the pacemaker ran them along with the stablemate on his back and they both went too hard. Odd tactics, though I'm personally never upset to see a plan involving pacemakers go awry.
Scandinavia in the 3yo 2800m Gr. 2 was somewhat impressive; three-wide no cover the trip and he was entitled to fold but he was fighting on better than anything late. One Look stood out as a very pretty mare (though there have been a stack of impressive-looking horses on both days), and I'm now in the See the Fire fanclub (I love her pedigree).
On Day 1 Tadej (6th in the Coventry at 100/1) looked like a big, scopy horse who might want further than the typical Ardad.
10 hours ago, stodge said:Just a quick note on the coverage
Trackside had (I think) Jack Dawling, Simon Mapletoft, and Graham Cunningham, with maybe one or two others - we heard from Rishi Persad (maybe?) a couple of times - and with calls from Ian Bartlett and Stuart Machin.
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On 6/15/2025 at 4:41 PM, We're Doomed said:
I find punting in the NI very hard.
I'm the opposite; I'm an average (ie. losing) punter in the SI and borderline breakeven in the NI. As we've seen in the thread there are many different approaches and many ways to skin the punting cat that can work.
6 hours ago, barryb said:Here's an incredibly simple tool to determine how much to bet per selection.
Its design was originally for sports betting but adaptable for racing by moving the slide along to conservative.
Kelly is great, but depending on what your "Betting Account Balance" in the calculator is you may want to go all the way to conservative. If BAB is the money you have to spend on a Saturday and if you lose it it's no big deal, that's different than if BAB is your punting bankroll and if you lose it you're done with punting forever.
For reference with respect to the latter, when I used to bet on sports options like over/under where the likelihood of winning is around 50% (I bet when I thought that what I was backing was 53% or better) and the odds around $1.91, even with an expected high strikerate (and therefore low chance of a long string of losses in a row) I still only bet 0.25 Kelly with a max bet of 2% of my bankroll. If I was betting on horses with a fixed bankroll I'd be cranking that slider as far to the conservative side as it can go.
If it was just your Saturday fun money you were risking, you could go harder.
Nowadays my betting on horses is more basic ("I think this horse will win/I think it's value, but I'm not going to the trouble of framing a market to calculate the overlay") so my staking is based on their price. I back everything to win X (say, $100 with a max bet of $100). So anything $2 or shorter gets backed for $100, $3 shots get $50 (50 x 3 = $150, minus your $50 stake = $100 profit), $5 shots get $25 (25 x 5 = $125, minus $25 stake = $100 profit) and so on. When I'm backing something at double-figures I'll either half the bet (so back it to win $50 instead of $100) or back it for the place to win $100.
Again, more than one way to skin a cat.
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2 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:
The other issue I've been having with the forum refreshing every 90-120s or so is when I'm typing up a reply the page refreshes and the box where I'm typing the message gets minimised. I don't lose my work; when I open it again my post is there as I left it, so it's a minor issue (as are the others).
It has done that for years if we made it slower some would say its too slow...so just remember its all for zero cost to you ...right????
For sure. It's not an attack on you or the site; in fact all the issues are so minor that I hadn't even bothered mentioning them before Ohokaman had the same issue and I could help him out by clearing it up.
Apologies for cluttering up the Ascot thread with this.
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7 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:
It does not happen for me and nobody else has mentioned it...maybe it could be your end...not ours...did you ever think of that????
It could be, though Ohokaman is having the same issue. It could be on my end; I use Brave browser which I imagine isn't all that common amongst 'Cafers though it is based on Chromium so maybe other Chromium-based users would have the same issue.
The other issue I've been having with the forum refreshing every 90-120s or so is when I'm typing up a reply the page refreshes and the box where I'm typing the message gets minimised. I don't lose my work; when I open it again my post is there as I left it, so it's a minor issue (as are the others).
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8 hours ago, Ohokaman said:
Why does this keep cutting out ?
If you're watching on the forum (ie. just clicking play and watching without going to YouTube instead) it's because the forum refreshes the page every 90-120s. It's been a problem since the forum update.
These refreshes are also the reason you'll be reading a thread with five posts, a message will come up saying there's five new posts and you can click to see them, you click to see them and you're now on a thread with the original five posts followed by those same five posts again.
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7 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:
At least they have skills in that area. Much easier to resolve than why there are no open stayers at Riccarton this weekend and who's idea was it to have no maiden race on a pretty ordinary card.
Obviously they have employed a couple of diversity and inclusion experts, probably at Winston's instigation. Much easier than finding experts in programming, handicapping etc.
They're not allowed to look for experts in h*ndicapping; that word is a slur against the differently-abled. Though I did see they're advertising a role for an Internal Officer in charge of "Equine Impost Equity", so maybe they'll find an expert for that EIEIO role who can help with
handicappingrider-mass diversity.(You could also argue that the folx behind this "gender-neutral terminology" push are in fact "experts in programming".)
- We're Doomed and nomates
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24 minutes ago, Baz (NZ) said:
So where can one find the actual cut off dates at which they were still a Maiden runner for upcoming MAAT races ?
It's supposed to be in the
Rocket Propelled GrenadeRacing Programme Guide; it is for the ones at Cambridge in late July (cutoff 28 April) but not for the two at New Plymouth in mid-July. The cutoff for the corresponding New Plymouth races last season was June 1.You shouldn't have to chase it up with NZTR, but in this case it looks like the definitive answer is "chase it up with NZTR".
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He was at a dead stop in front of the fence, with two riderless horses around him (one being grabbed by a jockey, one with its jockey - who later limped back to scale - on the ground in front of the fence). If there was more room at the jump to spin around and try again maybe he could've been quicker about it, but in the confined spaces around that jump leaving the centre of the course it would've been irresponsible to risk arcing up the riderless horses by not waiting for them to be restrained and for the fallen rider to be up and out of the way.
Off the video the incident happened around 2:30. At 2:54 Portia Matthews clicks Uncle Charlie up to a gallop beside the thin rail on that part of the steeplechase track, and at 3:11 they take the jump at the end of the thin rail and back onto the main course (which was the first jump of the race). The next time we see Catch and Release he's galloping along beside the thin rail at 3:25 (not sure exactly what part; it's a different camera angle than with Uncle Charlie), and George tells us he's jumping that start fence again at 3:47. So at that point he's 36s behind (not "minutes"). And again, it'd have been irresponsible to throw caution to the wind and immediately take another run at that jump with the whole shambles going on, so that's a pretty quick turnaround.
- Aaron Bidlake and We're Doomed
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4 hours ago, dmg said:
Lucky there two SNITZEL stallions that are group winners in NZ MR MOZART{HIGHVIEW} SWORD OF STATE{CAMBRIDGE}
Also a couple of Group placegetters down south. NZ 2000 Guineas 2nd Meritable, inbred 2x2 to full siblings Redoute's Choice and Monsoon Wedding, with Encosta De Lago (who has an all-too-rare daughter of Northern Dancer on his damline) in between. And Brisbane Sires' 2nd Snapback, from the family of Thorn Park and with his first two dams by More Than Ready and Flying Spur (two more stallions who have daughters of ND behind them).
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19 hours ago, mckenzie said:
How does Field of Gold, the winner of a solitary Group One, the Irish 2,000 Guineas (a restricted 3yo race) have a higher rating than Via Sistina, who has won 3 WFA G1's this year so far?
The ratings are based on their best run, not their overall CV. They've rated the English 2000 Guineas (not the Irish, which was run after May 4th) and the Kentucky Derby as stronger races than whichever of Via Sistina's wins got her her rating (probably the QEII since she went 2s faster than in the Ranvet).
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Having the collage of photos on the front page is fine, but I don't think it's needed on every page (eg. when in a thread). It just adds unnecessary scrolling.
I'd get rid of the Start new topic and Reply to this topic buttons above the first post; starting a new thread makes more sense to do from a subforum main page while replying makes more sense at the bottom of the thread. This would also bring the yellow bar with the topic title down closer to the posts, making them more connected.
I love the new colour.
- shaneMcAlister and Baz (NZ)
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19 hours ago, scooby3051 said:
I never understood why it had to be a sand based track, has anyone ever said why???
Because it would drain better then the puggy mess Awapuni becomes in winter, and because it wouldn't compact and harden like the clay-based soil does in summer.
Coastal Foxton is held up as the perfect surface (even naturally, without the "help" of turf experts), so turning the soil profile at Awapuni from swampland to coastal by chucking in a bunch of sand makes sense.
18 hours ago, scooby3051 said:That wont happen because they are too mule headed to admit they got it very wrong.
Who was involved in removing racing from Foxton and Levin and is still in charge of NZTR? It wasn't Ballesty's decision, so why can't he "come up with" the great idea to return racing to these tracks? He wouldn't be admitting he was wrong; he'd be shitting on his predecessors (which is fine because they largely deserve to be shat upon) and giving the people what they want. In a time when NZTR is lurching from one cock-up to another it seems like an easy win for him.
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22 hours ago, MisterEd said:
Quite possibly! It is easier to pick a place bet and get some money back than to pick a winner. They do not like people winning and do anything to stop them even if it means preventing them from seeing the odds.
They have the same takeout rates on tote win and place. Maybe they do worse on fixed odds place than on FO win, but I doubt it. So I don't think there are financial motivations.
The more likely explanation is that Aussies don't bet the place and hardly ever bet each way - historically Aussie punters have been all about win bets and quaddies while Kiwi punters have been about each way/place, doubles, and Pick 6 - so our new Aussie overlords don't see the point in cluttering up the screen with place prices.
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19 hours ago, Pheroz said:
Will Justify come to the southern hemisphere again?
He hasn't the past couple of years, so I doubt it. He covered a few mares to SH time last year, same as Frankel and Kingman etc. do.
What an absolute bloody fiasco
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The Trainers' Association. It's their job to stick up for trainers, so every time there's an abandonment, every time there's a flaw in the schedule (no races south of Ashburton for six weeks, one 2yo race in the SI before the Karaka Million), and every time a club tries to make life difficult for a "trouble maker" the TA should be all over NZTR and asking/telling them to fix it.
Winter Cup trial abandoned? The TA should've been straight onto NZTR giving them 24 hours to line up a turf meeting between now and Oamaru to run the race. If the TA won't do this, the trainers should be straight onto the TA telling them to do their job. If the trainers won't do this then, like @Tesio said, the trainers need to either grow a pair or just keep getting bent over.