Yankiwi
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Firstly thank you to whomever has made the proper corrections. Can I suggest that more attention is paid to the detail in the future.
The information that is being given is very relevant. Giving misleading information is actually worse than no information at all.
Punters are very much like many of those who invest in the stock markets. Calm & settled places are where they want to be & when turmoil or chaos is in the air, they quickly run for the door.
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Race #8 today has an interesting occurrence.
The TAB has no weight variance for the #6 dog.
https://www.tab.co.nz/racing/#2016-02-17-m3-r8
The RIU has a weight variance for the #6 dog of minus 1.9kgs.
https://twitter.com/riuorgnz?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
One of them is bound to be correct.
As the first two tweets do not agree with TAB information, how are they able to agree with the RIU's third tweet about race #4?
Why in that same tweet does the RIU say in race #7 that Blazing Hot is up 1.8mgs yet the TAB claims it is down 1.8kgs?
Peter on Dogzone mentioned that Greyhound racing is suppose to be a professional sport. How are things performing one day on?
- aquaman and Slim Shady
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Race #3 today has an interesting occurrence.
The TAB has dog #6 at plus 2.4kgs.
https://www.tab.co.nz/racing/#2016-02-17-m3-r3
The RIU tweet has dog #6 at minus 2.4kgs.
https://twitter.com/riuorgnz?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
One of them is bound to be correct.
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2 hours ago, Hound Fan said:
Guys under our rules you can have a satisfactory trial at any stage during your stand down,but can not race until your time is up.
I agree Hound Fan.
However, what measures are in place to stop an dog from being nominated after a satisfactory trial has been completed but prior to a stand down period being completely served?
The judicial report portion of the Stewards report says "all completed a satisfactory trial and are now cleared to race", yet at least one of them shouldn't be "cleared" to race, as it still has time to serve.
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The storyline had already started a couple of weeks ago Craig.
See my first post (#3) to the following thread.
http://www.racecafe.co.nz/forums/index.php?/topic/47945-wanganui-today/#comment-411158
By the way, the first satisfactory trial referred to in that post has since been quashed as a greyhound is not entitled to race without a registered owner per GRNZ rules, leading up to the trial you're now making reference to.
This is exactly the sort of thing that can happen when "participants" are in control of Greyhound racing. The rules are all there for everyone & they're not a secret. The policing force seem to enforce them in some instances & not in others.
The system is broken & boarders on being in disrepute, but it somehow seems to keep plodding along (mostly because of brooms & carpets & blindfolds IMHO). Unfortunately for the new CEO, he has a huge task in front of him in cleaning up the mess. He comes to us with good credentials & hopefully he's able to get things on the improve before he too loses faith & throws the towel in.
I'd suggest to him his first & foremost chore would be to instill integrity into the sport. If you read something in a Stewards report, you shouldn't have to doubt it. As of now you're required to head off and do a bit of research on your own to either approve or disprove what you've read. That's exactly what you & I have done, over a two week time span, for just one dog and we both were easily able to disprove the official decision rendered.
- Ashoka, aquaman and Slim Shady
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11 hours ago, Sheepy said:
On on a side note as you talk of your experiences in America an the less injuries that occur, what percentage of races you handled in were less than 400m? Over 520 or equivalent how far was it to the winning post the first time and was the lure further in front when the boxes open (I've heard it is)?
My time handling on the track was in the early 80's. The name of the track was "Hinsdale Raceway" which now has been leveled & a Walmart built in its place, the American way aye?
Rare (saw maybe two races) were 3/16 mile (300m) races (never handled)
75% of races were 5/16 mile (500m)
25% of races were 3/8 mile (600m)
Rare (saw maybe six races) were 7/16 mile (700m) races (never handled)
That track was very different in configuration, as were all tracks I had attended (Seabrook, Green Mountain, Plainfield, Raynham/Taunton, Wonderland). The starting boxes were in the same relative position as the two turn tracks are here. The winning post was in the middle of the home stretch, not entering the corner. The straights were notably longer and the corners notably sharper, which made the distance between the parallels of the front & back stretch notably less in distance apart.
The lure was further ahead of the dogs when the gate opened and further away from the rail as well.
The distance between boxes & winning post the first time, I don't have the answer. In the video link I had provided in my previous post I've counted 20 strides until the #1 dog (35kg's) reaches the winning post the first time for comparison purposes. But bear in mind, the straight continues for quite some distance past the post before the corner starts.
My interpretation of loam is
"a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay."
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loam
A key word is friable (crumbly)
Same track, full 15 race meet replay. Includes a 7/16 mile (700m) race & a couple of 9 dog race race field (races 13 & 15), during mid winter, snow included.
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9 hours ago, Slim Shady said:
It wasnt that long ago I would of agreed with you on this statement but......just lately Charles (yankiwi) I've begun to notice that some of the paragraphs you are writing reek of words similar to a reformed smoker, now that you have finished up as an owner and LP I almost get the impression your starting to turn against this sport? I certainly hope this is not the case as I respect you as a person and find your rulebook knowledge and interpretation very astute and informative. We have all had our ups and downs, bad buys and mis dealings in this sport but have not "turned against" it......aaron cross was born on the back of this very same scenario you know.
I can assure you that I still smoke cigarettes at the same rate as last time you saw me so there are no withdrawal symptoms there.
As for ownership, it didn't take me very long to realize that the buzz coming from a win on the track was far to costly for me dollarwise. My personal end result realized a negative 70% return on investment in the short term I was an owner. I also found during that time that the higher purchase price of a dog was, the lower the end return was monetarily, although bad luck played a big part in those numbers. I knew of the risks before I got in to ownership and unfortunately just about every potential risk there was caught up with me during my tenure.
No longer being an owner & with no intention of every handling, there was no longer a benefit to me of holding a licence. However if I were to continue to retain the license I would still remain bound to follow the GRNZ rule book. I politely relinquished that licence back to GRNZ as I no longer wanted/needed it.
I now know that ownership isn't for me, however greyhound racing remains a passion.
I do not know AC, I know of him, however from what I know, I think we are very very different people.
- GONSTA and Slim Shady
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I hadn't noticed this nor have I looked in to it at all.
Several times in the past, in similar instances, there had been a trainer change. For some reason the Stewards Report (on the day it had been scratched) doesn't mention the fact.
Could be the case this time?
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Long jumpers have found a way to use sand to absorb energy during their crash landing.
I think you'll find that they don't pour heaps of water on it to make it softer.
On the beach where is the sand the hardest?
Where it's still wet from the waves washing back & forth over it, or 10 meters away from that wet sand where your feet sink in, making it much more difficult to walk.
Our current method is fighting against physics, not using it to advantage. The things which are being gained using the current method is faster race times & increased injury risk.
If sand wasn't able to made safer, track stars wouldn't be crash landing into it, as they have the last say for their own welfare, a benefit Greyhounds don't have for themselves.
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4 minutes ago, Sheepy said:
Professor/policeman Yankiwi
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on how a track can be made drastically slower and safer.
Firstly, my reply will not contain a perceived insult. I was thinking you were better than that.
I suggest insults are reserved for the crowd working very hard against you & your sport, those trying to put an end to greyhound racing & not those trying to make it a better/safer sport.
Why was sand chosen as the preferred media to replace grass in the first place?
My roots are in the States. The very first job I had to after graduating high school was at a Greyhound track as a lead out (handler in NZ terms). That track (as well as all the others in the north east as far as I know) did not have a sand surface but one of loam. It was tilled 1 1/2" deep (38mm) +/- with a drag behind after every two or three races (can't precisely remember as it was many years ago) and it felt soft and clearly compressed under my feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmc6FqFFsqM
During my time of employment at the track (9 race meets per week with 12 to 15 race per meet) I never once saw a greyhound carried from the track. After that, as a punter, I attended maybe another 100 race meets and during those I did see one carried from the track. It had tailed off from the field in the backstretch & dropped dead on the track.
I had followed the Greyhounds for more than 10 years on & off earlier in my years, then came to NZ and began again to follow them here. Injuries are far more frequent & serious here then they were back then & there has to be an explanation. I'm sure it isn't simply the advances in video technology highlighting the problem, as I would have been astute enough to realize if a dog was running out a race with a broken hock or not. I'm sure you'll agree it's kind of obvious.
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I wonder if a charge will be filed for the indiscretions during Addingtons race #11 today.
You often see one dog trying to run another off the track, but you don't see them successful in actually doing it very often!
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34 minutes ago, Gotchanow said:
Yankiwi is 100% correct I watched the replay frame by frame with the stipes for a long length of time and u can see the injury happend when she was well clear
I know these things happen in Greyhound racing from time to time and in many instances there is nothing that can be easily done trackwise. These type of incidence generally happen as they're entering the corner (at top speed), not exiting it (at a slower speed). A dog's foot slipping sideways while still in contact with the ground can never be a good thing for the animal.
There is some very clear footage in this instance of it happening this time and hopefully those in power will use that footage to help prevent it from happening again.
The slower the track the safer it is for a dog.
What would be wrong with C5 Addington times struggling to break 18 seconds? They'd still be a second +/- faster than the 30 start maidens.
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Have another watch of the replay Aquaman if you have it or when it become available on the interweb. You'll see the incident began well before any contact with another dog.
From memory, Dizzy State was two lengths clear of the field nearing the end of the corner. There is a point where I could clearly see her rear legs (at least the right rear) come out from underneath her slightly, towards the outside of the track. I do not believe a fracture was suffered at that point & that is why I had suggested a muscle injury may have occurred. After the slip, she looked a bit less comfortable for the next two or three strides (slowing down) before the first contact with another dog from behind was made, dragging her down & making matters much worse for her.
Regardless, one of two things must have happened. Either DS slipped as I've suggested or a fracture happened free of interference which appeared to be a slip. Either way it's a problem. What other reason would explain the entire field be able to close so fast from behind?
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The problem was obvious (after the fact) to my eyes & the replay tells all.
The dog that had the lead coming out of the corner had its rear legs slip out from underneath it a bit with no other dogs anywhere near it, 2 or 3 strides before it got run down on from behind. I'd guess it incurred a muscle injury during the slip, thus slowing it down even more leaving it straight in the crosshairs of those following it.
It's an animal welfare issue & it's a shame that those in power are unable to see the obvious. Hopefully they'll read this post then watch the replay once again. Dogs should not be slipping on a warm dry surface.
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What's going on with some of the tracks around NZ?
Ascot as I recall have been hand starts over the 390m for at least the last 3 race meets held there.
The Cambridge record doesn't seem to be to any better over the last few race meets either. Once again today all hand starts.
Couple those with some of the weight scales that have been under performing from a couple of other venues, a serious issues with less than adequate photo finish technology which has been well documented elsewhere and a flexible starting gate (which now seems corrected) it could be suggested it might be time to unplug tote racing altogether and make it a "hobby" once again.
Are clubs that bad off that they repeatedly can't even have the equipment required to hold a race meet operating correctly?
Come on people, these should be the easy things to have all sorted before the Trackside truck show up.
- GONSTA, Jabba2, alltheway!!! and 5 others
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Compliments of Clarkie http://www.racecafe.co.nz/forums/index.php?/profile/3492-clarkie/
he's offered an image that contains an in depth pedigree for Sky Rocket.
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This might be beneficial in beginning your search.
There was a white bitch named Sky Rocket (two words) who was whelped 01/12/1973 and registered in NZ.
The GRNZ website has no information on her that I can find.
However, she does pop up to the GRV (Australia) website. https://fasttrack.grv.org.au/Dog/Details/-426013 (many tabs about her to click through)
It also appears she is listed on the Greyhound Data website. http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=213481 (log in required <which I do not have>)
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Well well, three charges for three different dogs & three admissions of guilt.
That leads me to believe that in Australia they have a justice system which actually works by penalizing dogs for their actions which were in breach of their rules.
In NZ, when was the last time a swab has been taken from a dog at the time it had been represented to the Vet to detect a more serious injury than first thought?
Race day +2 would leave 19 days for a dogs system to clear before the new 21 day injury stand down was completed & the normal probabilities of a swab being taken. Hmmmm....
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Does an Australian Steward needs "100% clear head on footage" to make a marring charge stick, or are dogs allowed "the benefit of some doubt" if one of the frames in the video is slightly blurry?
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Barking rumours in several Australian kennels have been overheard and then translated to English saying that if a dog plays up on the track, especially a sprinter, they'll get a first class plane ticket to and open immigration status in New Zealand.
Yay
- GONSTA, gary1 and come on ref
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What is wrong with this ?
in Greyhound Cafe
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I didn't ask you to do anything.
I placed a question on an internet forum and you choose to reply to it.
By all means, feel free to go worry about the "far better things" that are on you mind.