Sickopunter

It's bad but still seen a lot worse. I've seen them leave dead horses in fixed odds markets.

Holiday? He definitely takes them.

By the way I can't confidently say that any of Brodie and my detractors on this topic work for the TAB. What I do know is that the vast majority of punters don't understand how the %s work or how to calculate them and a few on here who are taking the opposite and indefensible viewpoint do. It would be naive to think that the TAB have no-one on here to give an opposing viewpoint to those who are attacking the TAB for the way they run their business.

Fixed odds are all about the price not changing. The TAB would like you to think its a gold mine betting early but that's when they scam punters who don't understand their abhorrent practices of hugely unfair market percentages. Is there occasionally a horse they get wrong... sure. But that's not what I am talking about. I'm talking about the fact that overall their profit margin is far too high and its forcing punters (and punting owners) away in droves. For what its worth I was interested in the second horse who was the fifth place favourite on fixed odds and still under even money. Not good enough. The fact it closed a short tote price at the death is more to do with Aussie bookies etc laying off to the punters who take their tote products. Or some idiot who doesn't understand how a tote market works. But that's probably way over your head. You can say the NZ Harness Opening odds are the best in the world if you like but then tell me how many countries have a monopoly on their harness betting. It's apples and oranges. So don't be a lemon.

If you are a punter who is being offered terrible odds for very small amounts what other subject is there?

Saying one horse was value in a market doesn't prove anything. If that's the theory you are working on how terrible was the value on the rest of them.....?

You're off your head. I'm talking about a factual market that was not an opening market (or anywhere near it). I didn't bet the race at all. I couldn't justify it at such odds. It's often the case. This has nothing to do with what price the winner was on opening.

When you have a virtual Monopoly on fixed odds, a huge information advantage and tote pools which are small I think it is imperative that you are giving punters the option of having a bet. In the market I displayed which was absolutely not an opening market they were driving people away. The market percentage the TAB are betting is higher for longer than it used to be and the risks they take to a huge number of punters is lower. No surprise ownership/field size/the industry is suffering. I'm not saying its the only factor but I know for absolute certain that it is A factor.

The fact they do it race after race is hardly surprising, nor a defence lol.

It wasn't an hour or two before start time. For memory it was within the last 30 mins before the race. At a guess 20 mins out. It's putting off punters. And owners. And I know that for a fact.

It was an unreasonable market %, I explained why and they are biting the hand that feeds them. I expect that it's a challenge between tab and punter with the tab having a realistic edge. This ain't that.

Typical bullshit. Are you defending it? Its also not an opening market. It was right before I posted it, 2 hours ago.

Addington race 2. 8 horse field, 3 place divs. 1. 1.60 2. 1.08 3. 3.0 4. 1.90 5. 1.60 6. 1.80 7. 5.50 8. 3.80 Explain to me how this is fair. Almost money back for the fave and 4 other horses under even money. You know the odds. Now beat it. OK. I'm out.

They'd rather put out horrendous comment than pay a couple hundred bucks for something really good. Cost cutting should start with higher end staff not form.

Money in the pools makes no difference.