Race based policy's .

[Idolmite]

1 hour ago, Idolmite said:

And whilst I agree National will be better, you don't understand "political speak" even at its most basic do you Trippple [I put in three 'p's for triple].

"Luxon has agreed the Government will support consideration of ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill" means its Luxon's way of appeasing Seymour/ACT for who a "Treaty Referendum" was a "bottom line". Compared to a "bottom line", saying "Luxon has agreed the Government will support consideration of ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill" is the old slap with a wet bus ticket!!! Why? Because all they have agreed to is "support consideration". That's generally a term used when what one really means "do nothing". Like when your young kids say that they want to a party, and you say "I'll give your request due consideration". Hell, that's even better as it's "due consideration". The one you're using to blow out the cobwebs only consents to "consideration". 

 

The logic in me says the above referendum will not happen before 2026. I wouldn't want to be predicting any further ahead than that. You may have only one subject you're fixated on, but the government has more than a few priorities. 

 

But while the logic in me may say it'll happen, the cynic in me says "I've seen this show before".

[Idolmite]

9 minutes ago, tripple alliance said:

Yes we all know what National is trying to hide from this but once this goes before a select committee all bets are off anything can come from it and of course when the next election comes around Seymour will be deputy PM with much more clout and logic, politics  may prevail .

Read treaty Article 1 it's very clear the Brits , Queen Vics reps  who signed were signing exactly what it says , today we have several versions from Māori some deigning Māori  ceded sovereignty , fine if that's the case the Brits and Māori were  at crossed purposes and the whole document should be binned , that won't happen . Today on 3 breakfast we saw a commentator state Māori didn't cede sovereignty in particular one specific tribe , those types of statements "one particular tribe" show how Māori interpretations change to suit a current situation , the bottom line is nowhere on the planet did Queen Vic go into any partnership with any primitive tribe .

Now the extra p , thanks for that I would love to be able to enjoy an  extra p  but at this stage your extra p isn't helping but nice try anyway . ,.

Yes, I already know all of that you just typed I believe Ngapuhi is the tribe that claims they didn't cede sovereignty. 

[tripple alliance]

1 hour ago, Idolmite said:

The logic in me says the above referendum will not happen before 2026. I wouldn't want to be predicting any further ahead than that. You may have only one subject you're fixated on, but the government has more than a few priorities. 

 

But while the logic in me may say it'll happen, the cynic in me says "I've seen this show before".

Yes this whole topic is a work in progress but it's begun and those with the snouts in the trough are in panic mode which is a great beginning anyway here's  an example of how out of control and one sided issues had become , Peters is spot on with this .

EX Kiwi Blog .

At the suggestion of a subscriber Curia in June, July and August has asked 1,000 New Zealanders if they know the English name of various government agencies in Te Reo. We now have results for six agencies:

1. Manatū Hauora, Ministry of Health: 8.1%
2. Te Manatū Waka, Ministry of Transport: 7.7%
3. Te Putea Matua, Reserve Bank of New Zealand: 5.7%
4. Te Pou Hauora Tūmatanui, Public Health Agency: 4.6%
5. Waka Kotahi, NZ Transport Agency: 50.1%
6. Te Aka Whai Ora, Maori Health Authority: 11.1%

This reinforces to me how insulting it it to the public for media or the agencies to only use the Te Reo names. Taxpayers should not have to google an agency to know what it is.

 

[tripple alliance]

It's panic time some are getting really desperate , I don't think this will make the inconvenient truth  disappear . 

 Ex stuff ,  Dec 11 2023 

Protesters have climbed an exhibit at Te Papa Museum in Wellington and defaced the English translation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.   The group entered the museum around midday on Monday, making their way to level four, where they used spray paint and a power tool to damage the exhibit. “This display shows English and te reo Māori versions of the Treaty,” 

 

[Gruff]

On 12/11/2023 at 2:37 PM, tripple alliance said:

It's panic time some are getting really desperate , I don't think this will make the inconvenient truth  disappear . 

 Ex stuff ,  Dec 11 2023 

Protesters have climbed an exhibit at Te Papa Museum in Wellington and defaced the English translation of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.   The group entered the museum around midday on Monday, making their way to level four, where they used spray paint and a power tool to damage the exhibit. “This display shows English and te reo Māori versions of the Treaty,” 

 

So the first thing we need to know is exactly what these people do for a crust

[tripple alliance]

South Africa of old but alive and kicking in NZ , just imagine if it said none Māori students and none Pasifika students only , our universities could do with some serious funding cuts if this is what they are promoting .

[tripple alliance]

X Taxpayers Union

Hi Supporter, I just love writing emails like this - some good news for a change! You may recall Peter Williams reached out way back in 2022 (email thread below) raising the alarm on a review from Nanaia Mahuta's handpicked 'experts' called the 'Future of Local Government'. In fact, I see you chipped-in financially at the time, presumably as a result of Peter's email. The Labour Party project followed on from Three Waters, and backed by Local Government New Zealand, and was seeking law changes for local councils to adopt: Lowering the voting age to 16.   Transferring some powers from elected officials to hapu/iwi, or other Maori entities.    Giving unelected positions by iwi/hapu the same status as elected members (including voting rights) – but unlike elected councillors, these mana whenua representatives could not be voted out.   Forcing council officials to conform with 'te ao Māori' values' by law.   Funding of 'Tiriti-based partnership in local governance', apparently no matter the cost to ratepayers. It was nothing short of an attack on local democracy and we fought it right through 2023 in the lead up to the election. One of our challenges here at the Taxpayers' Union is demonstrating to supporters like you – who 100% make the work possible – the behind the scenes work - the lobbying and direct advocacy to ministers and officials. For example, nothing is better than having confidential opinion polling to give to an MP on a matter we are discussing that supports the taxpayer perspective (funny that!). But that isn't cheap. On this file, I can assure you that we've continued to plug away at it behind the scenes! Supported by a number of senior government officials, Local Government New Zealand has been busy this year lobbying the new Government to adopt some sort of watered down "Tiriti-based partnership" framework that (apparently) has the support of many of the country's Mayors. While I was confident the new Government wouldn't proceed with the 16-year olds voting proposal, given some of the more disappointing news coming out of the Beehive in recent weeks, I admit to being worried about quite where this one might end up.  So I am delighted to report that the Local Government Minister has just formally announced he will not be adopting any of the review's proposals. In fact Simeon Brown went further, labelling the proposals "ideologically-driven". He has even instructed officials to down tools meaning the Government won't waste money preparing a formal response to the 'Future of Local Government' report. It doesn't get clearer than that! So credit where credit is due – and Simeon Brown deserves it. It's a big win for local democracy and, frankly, common sense. You'll remember how hard the Taxpayers' Union fought this tooth and nail (literally made possible with your financial support). Media wouldn't touch it, and the then-opposition parties were dragging their feet for too long. So credit to you Tom – who stuck with us in our fight. Our work doesn't stop here. We're constantly looking for any hint of Labour's undemocratic race-based policies being carried over by the Coalition Government – and we appreciate you staying with us along the way. Peter is keeping us busy on the disgraceful co-governance elements packed in the new Fast Track (RMA consenting) Bill (more on that in the days to come). But this email is to thank you again for your support which made the win possible. Jordan @ Taxpayers' Union ps. Peter is in the UK at the moment, so I've not yet spoken to him about the good news. He'll be getting this email the same time as you.

[tripple alliance]

Act in action again , they support true equality , feel free to donate . Ex Act email

Today is a great day for local democracy and equal rights.

Decisions over the structure of local democracy will once again rest with the people who pay the rates, not the handful of councilors who spend it.

Whenever given the chance to vote in a referendum, local voters have rejected being divided by race. Labour didn’t like that, so they scrapped the referendums. ACT believes in local democracy, so we campaigned to restore the referendums, got it into our coalition agreement, and today, we made it happen.

The passage of the Local Government (Electoral Legislation and Māori Wards and Māori Constituencies) Amendment Bill means councils that have established Māori wards can disestablish them. If they don’t do this, citizens will be able to vote on the Māori Wards next year.

Yours sincerely,

David Seymour ACT Leader

P.S. If you’re able to support our efforts to go around the mainstream media and directly tell more New Zealanders about the Treaty Principles Bill, please chip in.

[tripple alliance]

Treaty principals bill , take a little time click on the link and have a read , here's an extract .

The intention of the Treaty Principles Bill is to establish in law that the principles of the Treaty are what the three articles of the Treaty actually say: that the New Zealand Government has the right to govern; that the authority and ownership of land and property of all New Zealanders is protected; and that all New Zealanders are equal under the law.

The actual text of the Treaty itself is a powerful guide for New Zealand’s future. Far from a divisive document that affords unique privileges to one group, the Treaty is a taonga for all New Zealanders, establishing that all New Zealanders have above all else the same rights and privileges as each other and that the Government has a duty to protect those rights.

 www.treaty.nz 

[bloke]

Tripple it's interesting how a Māori Hater, Racist such as you responds when you see the Womens 7s packed with Iwi winning the gold medal? Must be hard to take. Never mind you will get over it and the running to the toilet to chunder will cease in due course.

 

 

[tripple alliance]

15 hours ago, bloke said:

Tripple it's interesting how a Māori Hater, Racist such as you responds when you see the Womens 7s packed with Iwi winning the gold medal? Must be hard to take. Never mind you will get over it and the running to the toilet to chunder will cease in due course.

 

 

Bloke you sensitive we thing  you have it bad haven't you racists every where why not talk about the issues or would that prove to difficult for you . Read Seymours proposal there is nothing there that alters the treaty it just sets principals into law and that stops the Waitangi tribunal or judges putting their own personal views into the treaty which would protect most in society, Māori included . Now why not discuss Māori wards , they are divisive , unelected people on councils appointed by race that's actually racism in full view , the failed separatist Māori health system etc etc  as for the gold medal brilliant , they won for NZ 

[tripple alliance]

Here you go Bloke just for you and it explains how racism was injected into our health system by the last racist government  thank goodness this has been kicked into touch .

The true racist are those who promote racist ideology , the former  Labour health system that was a great example of that and didn't it fail morally and financially .

Thanks to your pressure, Health NZ has decided to stop using ethnicity to prioritise patients on non-urgent surgical waitlists.

ACT campaigned hard against the so-called ‘equity adjustor tool’ last year. You and 30,000 other New Zealanders joined our campaign to end it.

Actively promoting racial discrimination in the health system is not who we are as a country. New Zealanders who require healthcare should be treated according to their need, not who their ancestors were. The only possible effect of racial discrimination is to make sure a person in greater need waits longer for an operation because they had the wrong ancestors.

New Zealanders are tired of race and the Treaty being injected into everything and the division that has resulted.

That’s why ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill is so important. We need to define the principles of the Treaty in law, including that all citizens have the same rights and duties.

Thank you for your support.

Yours sincerely,

David Seymour ACT Leader

[tripple alliance]

Another 4 you Bloke, Racism ??

(abrev)  Auckland Council has been taken to court by its Māori advisory board over appointing a new chairman to its water business. 

IMSB chairman David Taipari said the board believed the decision to appoint Hunt was procedurally unlawful.

Taipari said a panel unanimously recommended a Māori candidate for the role, but when it came to the council’s performance and appointments committee for a decision behind closed doors, an amendment by councillor Maurice Williamson for Hunt to get the role was passed. 

[tripple alliance]

On 8/1/2024 at 1:18 PM, tripple alliance said:

Here you go Bloke just for you and it explains how racism was injected into our health system by the last racist government  thank goodness this has been kicked into touch .

The true racist are those who promote racist ideology , the former  Labour health system that was a great example of that and didn't it fail morally and financially .

Thanks to your pressure, Health NZ has decided to stop using ethnicity to prioritise patients on non-urgent surgical waitlists.

ACT campaigned hard against the so-called ‘equity adjustor tool’ last year. You and 30,000 other New Zealanders joined our campaign to end it.

Actively promoting racial discrimination in the health system is not who we are as a country. New Zealanders who require healthcare should be treated according to their need, not who their ancestors were. The only possible effect of racial discrimination is to make sure a person in greater need waits longer for an operation because they had the wrong ancestors.

New Zealanders are tired of race and the Treaty being injected into everything and the division that has resulted.

That’s why ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill is so important. We need to define the principles of the Treaty in law, including that all citizens have the same rights and duties.

Thank you for your support.

Yours sincerely,

David Seymour ACT Leader

Here's an interesting one ex KB , Did you know that in 2006 the entire Labour Party caucus voted at first reading for a bill that would delete all references to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi in legislation. 

Here’s some of the MPs who voted for the bill in 2006:

• Helen Clark
• Phil Goff
• David Cunliffe
• Steve Maharey
• Annette King
• Chris Carter
• Marian Hobbs
• Damien O’Connor
• Parekura Horomia
• Nanaia Mahuta
• Michael Cullen
• Margaret Wilson
• Maryan Street
• David Parker
• Sue Moroney
• Darien Fenton

How many of these people are today condemning the current Government for doing exactly what they did in 2006?

[Uriah Heap]

On 8/1/2024 at 9:28 AM, tripple alliance said:

Now why not discuss Māori wards , they are divisive , unelected people on councils appointed by race that's actually racism in full view 

I've never seen a controversial story about the Maori wards, except for people who describe them as above. They seem to operate just fine in the Councils that have them.

[tripple alliance]

31 minutes ago, Uriah Heap said:

I've never seen a controversial story about the Māori wards, except for people who describe them as above. They seem to operate just fine in the Councils that have them.

That's not the point Uriah they are unelected and sitting around the council clipping the ticket and having influence on peoples lives . If these people are up to the task they should stand for election , there are plenty who claim Māori ancestry on councils and about 30% of our elected politicians claim some Māori ancestry.  Tauranga annual salary of $135,900. for a  Māori ward Councilor 

[Idolmite]

I don't think you'll get much traction on pushing this particular barrow Tripple Alliance. Whist they may need a little fine-tuning, I think the vast majority of voters believe Māori Wards are a good idea. At some councils those sitting members have all reduced their payment so the overall wage bill is the same as previous to Māori Ward Councillors.  

[tripple alliance]

41 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

I don't think you'll get much traction on pushing this particular barrow Tripple Alliance. Whist they may need a little fine-tuning, I think the vast majority of voters believe Māori Wards are a good idea. At some councils those sitting members have all reduced their payment so the overall wage bill is the same as previous to Māori Ward Councillors.  

Sorry Idolmite but what's happened is many councils have opted to keep the Māori wards because they don't want to be placed in the middle of any dispute/protests/intimidation  and are doing what they should have previously done that's ask the people , it's called democracy .

[Idolmite]

1 hour ago, tripple alliance said:

Sorry Idolmite but what's happened is many councils have opted to keep the Māori wards because they don't want to be placed in the middle of any dispute/protests/intimidation  and are doing what they should have previously done that's ask the people , it's called democracy .

Sorry Tripple Alliance, but I'm allowed a different opinion to yours. 

[chevy86]

2 hours ago, Idolmite said:

, I think the vast majority of voters believe Māori Wards are a good idea. 

Time will tell but I'm with TA on this. When referenda are held I predict the vast majority are NOT in favour of racial preference. Main reason why Hipkins and his Pinko mates got the "Don't Come Monday".

[tripple alliance]

33 minutes ago, Idolmite said:

Sorry Tripple Alliance, but I'm allowed a different opinion to yours. 

Excellent a clear example of freedom akin to  democracy and democracy has been returned to voters at council elections after peoples rights were shat on by the last government ..

[tripple alliance]

 

On 1 February 2021, Mahuta announced that the Government would establish a new law upholding local council decisions to establish Māori wards and abolishing the existing law allowing local referendums to veto decisions by councils to establish Māori wards. This law would come into effect before the scheduled 2022 local body elections.^[68][69] On 25 February, Mahuta's Local Electoral (Māori Wards and Māori Constituencies) Amendment Act 2021, which eliminates mechanisms for holding referendums on the establishment of Māori wards and constituencies on local bodies, passed its third reading in Parliament with the support of the Labour, Green and Māori parties. The bill was unsuccessfully opposed by the National and ACT parties, with the former mounting a twelve-hour filibuster challenging all of the Bill's ten clauses.

[Idolmite]

5 hours ago, chevy86 said:

Time will tell but I'm with TA on this. When referenda are held I predict the vast majority are NOT in favour of racial preference. Main reason why Hipkins and his Pinko mates got the "Don't Come Monday".

Yes, time will tell. 

[Lee270744]

It's a shame Māori don't care more about why their babies are being killed its 11 months since Baby Rue was slaughtered nobody has been charged.

8yo Zahquiels murdered What's wrong with this breed?

[tripple alliance]

29 minutes ago, Lee270744 said:

It's a shame Māori don't care more about why their babies are being killed its 11 months since Baby Rue was slaughtered nobody has been charged.

8yo Zahquiels murdered What's wrong with this breed?

I think that's to tough Lee there are plenty of decent people out there I suspect drugs are the cause of most of these problems .