A sad start to what could have been a great day

[Red Rum 1,716]

2 hours ago, poundforpound said:

My view is that he was 101% legal and within the legal limits to drive a two tonne car at 100 kph down SH1 opposed by oncoming traffic, with no median barrier, so he’d done nothing wrong  ......why is the RIU using such draconian and abusive measures to harass licensees .... oh that’s right .. to get “trophies” to justify their fucked up existence

Bit like Kenny Rae and his meth positive at 5 nanograms ..... the field testing threshold for pilots and surgeons is 300 nanograms before they’re deemed impaired And can’t work, 60 times higher than Kenny’s fucking horse, but the RIU imbeciles and liars have to get their quota of victims each year to justify the 7 million in pokie money it takes to run their shit show 

Of far more importance with jockeys is their weakened state due to wasting to comply with the abusive weight regime we have in NZ, a weight regime devised and supported by useless fat bastards who spend their lives at pie & Pinot shops 

Was he over the limit set for riding a horse in a race the answer is yes so it doesn't matter a brass razzoo what the limit is driving  a truck , plane , boat or elephant with wings  for that matter ,  plenty of jobs have a limit below the alcohol limit for driving a car  . That being said always glad to see the Magic Man get a winner and hope he comes roaring back . 

Campaign for raising the alcohol limit for riding  500kgs of horse flesh at speed surrounded by others if that's the issue .

[High Sparrow 327]

Hey PFP. I completely agree with you on the weight that jockeys have to ride at. It's unhealthy for an adult to be effectively starving themselves in order to earn a living (think the abusive world of fashion) by comparison. The average weight of an adult New Zealander would have increased substantially in the last few decades and yet racing is still back in the Dark Ages as far as weights. The minimum weight should be raised to reflect statistical variances over that time for my money. Horses are big strong animals they can easily carry a couple of kilograms more than the current minimum and hardly break a sweat. I remember Roger Lang and other very talented jockeys down through the last 50 years who had to waste hard to even ride the topweight sometimes and we've all seen top flight jockeys lost to the game through losing weight battles.

As for CWJ I think, with respect, you might miss the point. We're dealing with an alcoholic here not someone having a few beers on a Friday night. It may be that for him now but what about next week and the week after that?  If you throw impairment (no matter the source) into a race day where 54 kgs of jockey is trying to control several hundred kilograms of speeding, and sometimes unpredictable horseflesh where split second decision can be the difference between a terrible accident or not, the chances of having an accident rise exponentially. So let's not make excuses for behaviour which by its very nature has a habit of escalating and that could on a racecourse cost someone else their life because of someone's addiction. We're all human. We all make mistakes and hopefully Chris will hop back on the wagon, get things under control and kick on to that record. Happy punting people if you're still throwing a few bucks at them.

[arjay 150]

Raising the weight scale,  don't think so, horses are carrying 10% of their body weight approx now on average. Back in the old days 7  stone min weight was a  pound under 45kg. I think the level of weights is high enough for horse and rider.

[poundforpound 3,778]

Oh fuck me .... horses vary in their own body weight by anything from 5 - 50 kg depending on what state of a campaign they’re at ......do you want horses weighed now too, and not allowed to run if they’re a couple of kilos over their average racing weight?

Tell me the difference between weight in a horses gut and weight on a horse’s back pleeaaasseeee

While you’re there talk me through harness horses pulling big drivers, versus those pulling little drivers .... what’s the difference ?

Oh that’s right, there is NO difference 

[Leggy 2,920]

35 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Tell me the difference between weight in a horses gut and weight on a horse’s back pleeaaasseeee

Yeahh ....20+ kgs variance in gut weight depending what you feed them doesn't matter but 2kgs in jockey weight does? Really?

[We're Doomed 3,319]

Interesting that he was given 4 weeks off when jockeys weren't supposed to be travelling between regions. Now he could be riding in the NI if he wished to, so has he been given three times the penalty he might have got if it had been determined this week?

I do think Kiwi Ida missed his skills in those two runs up north. His patient approach might have helped her chances.

Just imagine if he was an Australian in Australia about to break the record for race wins. They would be all over it.  He doesn't get nearly the recognition he deserves over here. Dan Carter gets more coverage turning out for a club team than CWJ gets for riding in big races.

[Leggy 2,920]

29 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

Interesting that he was given 4 weeks off when jockeys weren't supposed to be travelling between regions. Now he could be riding in the NI if he wished to, so has he been given three times the penalty he might have got if it had been determined this week?

Yes that does seem to be a bit odd if you consider the penalty based on lost riding days. Would you not think they might amend that under the circumstances?

[Baz (NZ) 1,384]

Can the Magic Man appeal ??

[Gruff 1,882]

On 9/22/2020 at 7:50 PM, Baz (NZ) said:

Can the Magic Man appeal ??

He has tried Baz but Speights aint budging