tim vince 985 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 There could be a reason for 6th best betting race I think it was one of those tab m9ney back races.down to 6 now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Old post stuck.....it wasn't that good ! Edited July 3, 2019 by tasman man 11 Previous post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 Computer playing tricks. i note this weeks monte down to 6 horses . 5 of the original 7 nominations were from Jay Abernathy stable so thumbs up to him. He seems to be a great supporter of initiatives in the sport ,and races a number of the older durable horses ,so IMHO deserves every success. Maybe he provides the quinella this week with Bert the main danger again. Judging by all monte events to date ,including trials there will be a few breakers ,lets hope not enough to crush the idea. There will always be knockers out there . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 762 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 true eljay, but.... Jockeys with inexperience with deafeners, horses on a hard surface and difficulty keeping saddle horses in a trot. and trying to win a race on a track with little or no trial experienced jockeys is simply asking for trouble. The damage done to harness racing is immense even if I am a lone wolf .I cant understand the support for these races to be TAB races. Even my relatives who have never been to a trot course or had a bet could not believe that people could bet on them. And we keep losing real good JDs to Aus due to lack of opportunities. Having raced horses since the late 1960s my last few will def be my last . Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,767 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 JD's go to Aussie coz there are ever dwindling opportunities in NZ. Di you blame them? Until the torrent of exports of even poor horses is stemmed then there is only three possible outcomes - smaller fields, juniors (and even seniors) crossing the ditch and - Montes! And of course - the ever diminishing circle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, eljay said: JD's go to Aussie coz there are ever dwindling opportunities in NZ. Di you blame them? Until the torrent of exports of even poor horses is stemmed then there is only three possible outcomes - smaller fields, juniors (and even seniors) crossing the ditch and - Montes! And of course - the ever diminishing circle Exactly LJ......answers need to be found quickly . What do your fellow executives at the head table think ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 17 hours ago, john legend said: true eljay, but.... Jockeys with inexperience with deafeners, horses on a hard surface and difficulty keeping saddle horses in a trot. and trying to win a race on a track with little or no trial experienced jockeys is simply asking for trouble. The damage done to harness racing is immense even if I am a lone wolf .I cant understand the support for these races to be TAB races. Even my relatives who have never been to a trot course or had a bet could not believe that people could bet on them. And we keep losing real good JDs to Aus due to lack of opportunities. Having raced horses since the late 1960s my last few will def be my last . Well John.......it is obvious you are heading to the exit as far as Harness Racing is concerned. I am trying to keep it going.......but I draw the line at research from relatives with ZERO interest in the sport/industry. I'd rank my mother in law research from Iceland above that. We need research from lapsed customers/participants. Hundreds of these are put forward on here and have been for years but they need to come with facts. The word I hear is its too boring especially for younger folk ,people don't have the money to 'waste' as 3x TV's ,2 x cars , multiple trips and expensive gadgets are now essentials. Many still like a gamble but prefer sports which are easier to understand or game changers [ lotto ]. A day at races in the summer satisfy most as an annual treat. Gotta face the reality that things will never return to the late 60's......were they so good ? But please no more research from relatives with ZERO interest ,unless they under 25 ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 762 Report post Posted July 3, 2019 as is often the case TM. you miss the point completely .we do often preach to the converted but sometimes an outsider, daughter whose partner is an x jockey,, it is interesting to hear from someone with no preconceived ideas at all. (in her 30s) Roll on the train wreck coming down the line friday last race. choo choo choo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted July 4, 2019 Overall never a better time to race a horse in north. Good money starters fee and small fields.no fan base is the problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 762 Report post Posted July 8, 2019 Good to see no' stomach ' for Montes fromATC only 3 good even trot races with normal carts attached. and driving opportunities for many harness drivers (not opp.for jockeys).well done Auckland.The last 3 horse montes pleasing to so few but embarrassing to most. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,767 Report post Posted July 8, 2019 The Monte was only a Reserve Race John, just in case your friends didn't come to the party as has happened in the past. How do you know "pleasing to so few"? Why don't you say the truth "not pleasing to me" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 762 Report post Posted July 8, 2019 Well LJ . I can only surmise on a wintry night your horse saddled up goes out to do battle and gets beaten (thrashed) by 26 or 47 or even 50 lengths or disqualified (first night ) that you didnt enjoy it. I concede that Jay and Sailesh were in the few category as of course Susan Branch . but all of my betting friday group inc Trotting people asked hopefully if they having any more and pleading for the answer to be no.Now I could name them but I think the ATC accountant may also be in the "no more please"camp as except for the novelty value there is no point .and no redeeming features.,esp when focus should be elsewhere esp for the ATC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsvman 295 Report post Posted July 9, 2019 The Atc accountant surely he has bigger worries on his hands? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,767 Report post Posted July 9, 2019 I don't have a horse to saddle up (or shove a cart onto either) but if I was lucky enough to, I would be quite happy for my trainer to run it in Montes but, hey, he/she would be too good for that grade. john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
One more lap 91 Report post Posted July 12, 2019 Do we need montes, NO do we need good horses racing YES, they draw the people to watch them and have dollar on them. We like to watch the stars Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,767 Report post Posted July 12, 2019 Very difficult when the stars have either been sold or exported or being kept for the group races. Something has to fill the fields week after week. And with the ATC offering attractive stakes, as Tim says what better time than in the winter months to bag a few dollars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...