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The result was a well deserved one for both Peter Jenkins and Noeline Redfern. Peter as I recall was responsible for the shuttling of Storm Creek to NZ. The collaboration between Peter and Nolene Redfern to breed Chase Me was an deliberate one on Peter’s part. Peter would almost certainly have been inspired to seize the opportunity to embellish on the Somethingroyal/Imperatrice factor that the match would present. Storm Cat the sire of Storm Creek is out of Terlingua that distinguished daughter of Secretariat. Cartier Gold the dam of Chase Me is by Gold Brose who traces back tail male to Sir Gaylord another son of Somethingroyal. More importantly Gold Brose has as his 4th dam Scattered the half sister to Somethingroyal. What few people are aware of is that Scattered’s daughter Hide and Seek bred two daughters by To Market namely Under Cover (grand dam of Gold Brose) and Find a Buyer. Find a Buyer in turn became the dam of Champion American Quarter Horse sire Dash For Cash. Interestingly too is that Dash For Cash became the leading all time Quarter Horse sire in the USA. Gold Brose himself was a veritable speed machine and it would appear that the inherent speed tracing back to Imperatrice (dam of Somethingroyal) is being passed on in the broodmare sire capacity just as it has with Quarter Horse sensation Dash For Cash. Furthermore both Secretariat and Dash For Cash bear an uncanny resemblance.

Here is some background on Gold Brose that could explain the success that he is achieving as a broodmare sire. (Some of this is repeated in another post on the site as well). Gold Brose is bred 6x5 to Imperatrice the dam of Somethingroyal. Somethingroyal is the dam of the influential sires Secretariat and Sir Gaylord. Gold Brose traces tail female to Imperatrice through her daughter Scattered. What few are aware of is that Scattered’s daughter Hide and Seek bred two daughters by To Market namely Under Cover (grand dam of Gold Brose) and Find a Buyer. Find a Buyer in turn became the dam of Champion American Quarter Horse sire Dash For Cash. Interestingly too is that Dash For Cash became the leading all time Quarter Horse sire in the USA. Gold Brose himself was a veritable speed machine and it would appear that the inherent speed tracing back to Imperatrice (dam of Somethingroyal) is being passed on in the broodmare sire capacity just as it has with Quarter Horse sensation Dash For Cash.

Results on the weekend in Singapore underlined the prowess of Gold Brose as a brood mare sire. The GR1 Singapore Derby was won by Chase Me (Storm Creek ex Cartier Gold by Gold Brose) whilst Super Easy (Darcy Brahma ex Parfore by Gold Brose) stretched his sequence of successive wins in Singapore to 11 when winning the GR3 Paititi Gold Trophy over 1200m. Gold Brose has now been responsible for 4 individual Group One winners as a broodmare sire, his Group One winners so far are, Little Bridge (King’s Stand Stakes), Chase Me (Singapore Derby), Il Quello Veloce (Manawatu Sires Produce) and Arlingtonboulevard (New Zealand Thoroughbred Breeders Stakes). Bridgestone (by Pentire) nearly became a GR1 winner too when finishing second in the W.A.T.C Derby). Super Easy looks destined to add to the list of Group One winners. Gold Brose has been a great loss to our industry, having only stood for 6 seasons before his untimely passing.

Depending on the data source, it would appear that Occidental Tourist has had around 162 foals of racing age. He has had 79 runners and 31 winners.

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Respected racing journalist John Berry has made this insightful comment on his regular Thoroughbred Internet column. The deeds of Little Bridge this week served to remind local breeders that older stallions are too quickly dismissed. Faltaat was 16 years old when Little Bridge first saw light of day. Zabeel was 22 years old when this seasons NZ Oaks runner up Zurella was born. Faltaat will be 22 years old this year, Pentire 20 yrs, O’Reilly 19 yrs and the evergreen Zabeel 26 ! These superior bloodlines are not going to be around forever.

That is a very good question Forrest. All of the mares except one came from good black type families. The only one that came from a weak female family for generations was the South African mare Drohsky and she certainly upgraded the family out of sight. Her daughters also proved to be terrific broodmares. The other South African mare mentioned Soho Secret also resurrected a dormant family that did go back to strong English roots. Soho Secret was a stakes winner herself (10 races)and her first dam though not a black type producer won 12 races in the USA. The third dam Smart Secret was winner and also failed to produce a black type horse. Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf winner Pluck is an immediate member of this family and could just be the sire to take over from his sire More Than Ready in Australia (Vinery). Check out his pedigree and now solid black type pedigree.

I came accross this article yesterday Remarkable Broodmares June 21st, 2012 - Sarah Whitelaw (Sportingpost) When Great Heavens (Galizzz) won the Listed Lord Weinstock Memorial Stakes last Thursday, the 3yo filly became the eighth stakes winner for her dam, Magnificient Style. Magnificient Style, herself a high-class racemare who won the G3 Musidora Stakes, has produced all of: NATHANIEL (Galizzz) – King George and Queen Elizabeth II Stakes PERCUSSION (Sadler’s Wells) – Yorkshire Cup PLAYFUL ACT (Sadler’s Wells) – Fillies Mile ECHOES IN ETERNITY (Spinning World) – Park Hill Stakes CHANGING SKIES (Sadler’s Wells) - The Very One Stakes PETARA BAY (Peintre Celebre) – Feilden Stakes STYLESTICK (Storm Cat) – Green River Stakes GREAT HEAVENS (Galizzz) – Lord Weinstock Memorial Stakes Remarkably, of Magnificient Style’s eight stakes winners, five are group/graded winners, and two, Nathaniel and Playful Act, are G1 winners. It is quite a feat for a broodmare to produce as many as eight WINNERS, much less at stakes level. While Magnificient Style has yet to produce as many G1 winners as such broodmare legends as Fall Aspen, Toussaud or Hasili or leave behind an important sire son, she has certainly established herself as one of the most prolific broodmares of her generation simply by the number of black type performers she has to date produced. So how many other mares in history have produced as many as eight stakes winners? The small number of famous broodmares to produce as many as five stakes winners really puts into perspective the remarkable achievement by Magnificient Style (Silver Hawk). One mare whose progeny exceeded the tally of eight stakes winners racked up Magnificient Style, was Grey Flight. Ancestress of top SA sire National Assembly, as well as promising young sire Philanthropist, Grey Flight bred a phenomenal nine stakes winners! The daughter of Mahmoud ‘s tally included champion US sire What A Pleasure (Bold Ruler) and champion filly Misty Morn. Another blue hen who threw eight stakes winners was Courtly Dee (Never Bend). Her daughters produced the dams of leading sires Green Desert and Arch. Legendary mare, Urban Sea, threw eight stakes winners, equal to Magnificent Style, but outdid that mare by throwing two true legends of the turf in Galizzz and Sea The Stars. In Galizzz, Urban Sea produced a world leading sire, whose progeny continues to make their mark, both on the track and at stud. The great US broodmare, Up The Flagpole (Hoist The Flag) was another phenomenal mare. Producer of seven stakes winners, Up The Flagpole (whose sire was a truly great broodmare sire), left behind three G1 winners. She is also the granddam of US Horse of the Year and leading sire, Mineshaft (A P Indy). Prior to Urban Sea, a mare who really left her mark on the European Derbies was Athasi. Remarkably, Athasi bred no fewer than three sons who won both the Irish Derby and St Leger, and one, Trigo, who also won the Epsom Derby. In total, Athasi produced six stakes winners. The great mare Eight Carat bred five G1 winners, and her daughters also proved immensely important in the Australian stud book. She is described by many experts as the greatest broodmare of all time in Australasia. La Troienne, possibly the greatest broodmare of all time, bred five stakes winners: Bimelech, Black Helen, Biologist, Big Hurry, Bee Ann Mac, and two of her foals, Bimelech and Black Helen, were champions. However, it was through the deeds of her daughters that La Troienne made her reputation. La Troiennes daughters produced such stars as Horse of the Year Busher, champion racemare Searching and G1 winner Cohoes , and her descendants continue to feature in G1 races around the world. The mighty racemare Dahlia widely disproved the idea that a heavily mare will fail at stud. She raced in five different countries, from 2 to 6, and still produced six stakes winners, four of which won G1 races, and another who produced subsequent St Leger winner, Nedawi. Champion filly, Miesque, bred five stakes winners, two of which were classic races. Among her foals are the champion sire, Kingmambo, French 1000 Guineas winner East of the Moon and G1 sire Miesque’s Son. She is also the dam and granddam of SA sires Judpot and Miesque’s Approval, respectively. Height of Fashion was another top mare on the track, who duplicated her success at stud. She bred six stakes winners including the G1 winners Nashwan and Nayef. Four of her sons have sired G1 winners, and she is also ancestress of champion US mare, Lahudood (Singspiel). Battle Creek Girl, dam of successful SA sire Parade Leader, is another to have bred six stakes winners. Her tally includes the graded winning brothers Parade Ground and Parade Leader, and champion 2yo filly, Wavering Girl. Another great broodmare was Bride Elect, dam of former SA champion sire Royal Prerogative. She bred six stakes winners, including St Leger winner, Hethersett. The great Hasili, granddam of young SA sire Ideal World, herself has produced seven stakes winners to date, of which two won Breeders Cup races, and FIVE won G1 races. Remarkably, it is Hasili’s G2 winner, world leading sire Dansili, who looks to be the most important of Hasili’s progeny, at this stage. In South Africa, the two most famous broodmares, arguably, were Drohsky and Sister Sublime. Drohsky produced four stakes winners, but she achieved her fame through her daughters and granddaughters. Sister Sublime likewise “onlyâ€

Here are some interesting facts about the background of Little Bridge. In 2008 his dam was Golden Rose sold for a mere $1000. At the time she was in foal to Hawkeye and the dam of two unraced foals by Faltaat, one of whom would become Little Bridge. The two Faltaat offspring were sold at auction for $9000 (Little Bridge) and $1400 (Golden Gaates). Golden Rose a winner for the McKee’s at 2 years is a daughter of 5 race winner Enrichment (by champion 2 year old sire Straight Strike ). Grand dam Concord was a stakes placed daughter of champion sire Century. Gold Brose has now bred two Group One winners to the cover of Faltaat in Miss Raggedy Ann (GR1 Railway H) and Little Bridge. The cross has produced 8 foals, 7 runners and 6 winners incl the two GR1 winners. Gold Brose as a broodmare sire has now bred 11 stakes winners of which 4 are Group One winners, namely, Little Bridge, Miss Raggedy Ann, Arlingtonboulevard and Il Quello Veloce. Bridgestone (by Pentire) nearly became added to the line up when he ran second in the GR1 WATC Derby. Super Easy (by Darci Brahma) has twice won at Group Two level and may well join the list of GR1 winners.

A huge result for New Zealand and even more so for Westbury Stud who stand Faltaat and they also stood the dam sire Gold Brose. Also in the race was Joy And Fun who was also by a former Westbury Stud sire Cullen. Both Little Bridge and Joy and Fun have been acing in Hong Kong. Funny the Australian press never gave the pair a mention, it was all about Ortensia. Faltaat is one of those sires who has never been sexy in commercial terms for some reason but continues to deliver.

Daughters of Keltrice have bred 10 stakes winners from over 500 foals of racing age. Nijinsky II features strongly in the make up of the sires of some of these stakes winners. Redoutes Choice has been bred to 3 daughters of Keltrice and produced 4 foals all of whom have raced and won, three have gone on to be stakes performers ie Miss Mooney Moone (SW), Albalcin and Megadeal stakes placed. Interestingly Superior Sateen a two race winning own brother to Redoutes Choice only ever produced 5 foals of which four won, one of which The Annihilator was stakes placed. The Annihilator was out of a mare by Keltrice. Redoutes Choice is by Danehill, his grand dam is Dancing Show a daughter of Nijinsky. Other stakes winners bred with the Keltrice / Nijinsky II element include Midnight Mustang and Lyell. Midnight Mustang is by Val Royal a grand son of Nijinsky II. Lyell is by the Miswaki stallion Tough Speed who is out of a Nijinsky II mare. Tough Speed only sired one other stakes winner in his stud career. Besides Redoutes Choice other Danehill sons Lion Hunter and Choisir have bred stakes winners Immortality and Uxorious to Keltrice mares. Fastnet Rock like Redoutes Choice is by Danehill and like him has a grand parent by Nijinsky II, is it surprising then that when Fastnet Rock was mated with Storm Signal a stakes winning daughter of Keltrice that a stakes winner in Destruction should result ?

Yes Omar the statements are contradictory. You see I am not bound by dogma, neither do I feel that I have to defend a stance to the death. In the case of Sir Percy the jury is out and any new evidence presented must be considered. At first glance Coquets run in the Oaks was satisfactory and my first comment was made from the result sheet and the close proximity to the winner. My view was reviewed after watching the video of race after which I felt that Coquet was good enough to have run either second or third. The fact that Sir Percy has been able to sire a filly of such class from a relatively small book of mares as well as a Derby contender has elevated his status IMO. So all things considered, especially off the performances of Coquet, Sir Percy looks to have done enough to warrant returning to these shores. I am happy to debate the merits of various sires and some may not always agree with me or like what I say, I am also allowed to change my mind too. That’s the beauty of free speech, and when we are free to debate, the facts will eventually emerge above vested interests and marketspeak.

Before we go any further I want to state that I have no vested interest in either of the two sires Don Eduardo or Savabeel. In fact I have had input in the purchase of a Savabeel share and the production of one of his most successful progeny to race as a result. Perceptions are interesting and the contention that Savabeel transmits more speed to his offspring may in fact not be so. Closer scrutiny however indicates that Don Eduardo has produced the speedier stakes winners compared with Savabeel. Don Eduardo has sired Dashing Donna winner of the Newmarket Handicap (L)1200m & 2nd GR1Railway H 1200m Swift Alliance winner of 5 individual stakes races in Australia from 1100m -1200m incl GR3 Star Kingdom Stakes twice and 3rd in the GR1 Galaxy Stakes 1100m Moti a winner of three listed stakes races in Australia 1350m-1400m Booming winner of GR1 Thorndon Mile 1600m Savabeel has sired Queen Sabeel winner Northland Breeders Stakes (L) 1200m Ruakaka My Emotion winner Thoroughbred Breeders Stakes GR3 Flemington 1200m Savabil winner of Matamata Slipper (L) 1200m Dowager Queen winner of Rotorua Stakes (L) 1200m Do Ra Mi winner of A.V.Kewney Stakes GR2 1400m Whilst Don Eduardo has not sired a 2 year old stakes winner he has arguably sired superior sprinters in Dashing Donna and Swift Alliance. At a mile Don Eduardo has a Group One winner in Booming, Savabeel has the Gr2 winner My Emotion. Breeders should bear in mind that Don Eduardo hails via Eight Carat from the veritable fount of speed in the Stud Book, the Number 9 family of Lady Josephine/Americus Girl.

You are so right Forrest, Zabeel is becoming a colossus as an influence in Australasian bloodstock. I see that his son Greys Inn is starting to hit the board in South Africa too where he has sired GR1 SA Derby winner Royal Bencher and recent GR3 winner King of Spain from his first two crops which just numbered 45 foals each. Zabeel is forging a powerful branch through Lonhro as well. Interesting too that in yesterdays GR1 TJ Smith for 2 year old saw Don Eduardo feature as broodmare sire of the narrow runner up Kabayan (by Haradasun) whilst the third placed runner Academus was by Lonhro. I think that Don Eduardo is great alternative to Savabeel for those who do not want to spend up large on service fees. In his first crop Don Eduardo sired 7 stakes winners from 85 foals and Savabeel 6 from 87. Savabeel has gone on to reproduce those stats with his next two crops while Don Eduardo hasn’t. Still with the right mare I see no reason why Don Eduardo can’t replicate those results and he stands for just $5000 (Savabeel $35000).

Foxy I think that you may find the reason why it has not been mentioned is because the winner Brambles was bred by Mrs C.L. Crawshaw and the runner up Quinressential by Trelawney Stud. Nevertheless a good result for Waikato Stud based sires, and New Zealand as the first four home were NZ bred.

Forrest following our exchange and based on the performance of Coquet in the Oaks where had she not met with severe interference she would have surely been placed at least, I would say that Sir Percy has done enough with his first crop so far. The collateral form around Coquets stakes win in the Montrose Fillies Stakes signalled that she is a very good filly and her Oaks effort confirms her class. To have a runner in the Derby too is a good start. Sires such as Sir Percy with his classic pedigree and performance have a huge contribution to make to our gene pool particularly as broodmare sires which in the long term makes him a valuable addition to the NZ ranks.

Forrest wrote Firstly this thread is about Sir Percy and the merits of his first crop, not a comparison between Sir Percy and Indy King. Now that you have decided to go there let’s have a look. In terms of opportunity both in crop numbers and quality of mares served Sir Percy has had arguably the better chance ie 49 foals to the 24 produced by Indy King in his first season. In other words from their respective first crops Indy King has a 4% stakes winner ratio and Sir Percy 2%. From that first crop of only 24 foals Indy King has had 18 runners 15 winners. Indy King bred Indy Joe who won on debut at 2 years by 71/4 lengths at Delaware Park beating Proud Kentuckian and Smooth It Over who both went on to become stakes horses. At three years Indy Joe won the Rumson Stakes and placed 3rd in the GR3 Jersey Shore Stakes. Besides Indy Joe that first crop has yielded a number of tough hard knocking winners of both sexes that train on including Dr Stick (7 wins), Indy O (6 wins) Indys Ahyoka (6 wins) and Sister Gal (5 wins). From his second crop numbering 40 foals Indy King sired 30 runners of which 21 have won. This second crop yielded the very good filly Mindy Queen a winner of 10 raced including the Assinaboia Oaks in Canada by 9 lengths and the Prairie Rose Stakes in the USA. Mindy Queen also ran second in the Wishng Well Stakes beating Rinterval. Rinterval at her next start you may recall gave Zenyatta a torrid time fully extending the mighty mare to a neck victory in the GR1 Clement L Hirsch Handicap. The second crop of Indy King also produced Su Majestad who is said to be best filly to race in the Dominican Republic in the last 30 years. This filly was a machine and IMHO would have competed with the best anywhere in the world. As a 2 year old she beat a field of 3 year old fillies by 14 lengths in a stakes race. Thats impressive even in the Dominican Republic. Other multiple race winners from Indy Kings second crop include Royal Vessal (9 wins), I am The King (8 wins), Anad Queen (7 wins) Bay King (6 wins ) Crafty Sisterinlaw (5 wins) and King Tanner (5 wins). The third crop of Indy King has thrown up Pleasant Prince who was one of the very best 3 year old horses of his year winning two regional Derbies (Ohio Derby GR3 and Oklahoma Derby) and runner up in the GR1 Florida Derby. Considering the opportunity in terms of mare quality I think that it is not unreasonable to think that Indy King has done well enough so far. He has lived up to his impeccable pedigree and is showing that he has that elusive sire element. Furthermore he is bred on the sire producing cross of A.P. Indy over daughters of Mr Prospector, responsible for highly successful sires Pulpit, Malibu Moon, Mineshaft, Congrats and Flatter. Indy King stands for a mere $3500.

Forrest I think that when sires are put up for discussion here that all viewpoints should be aired. The problem is that we tend to treat some sires (Stud Farms and personalities) as sacred cows which defeats the purpose of the forum. In the case of Sir Percy I am calling it as I see it, in fact I am a huge fan of the classic type of racehorse and Sir Percy would be the epitome of the classic racehorse with pedigree to back it up. In his first three seasons I have been instrumental in Sir Percy serving eight mares so am watching his progress with great interest. I have said it before, all things considered Sir Percy has made a reasonable enough start with his first NH crop. Ideally I would have liked him to make the kind of start that fellow sophomore sire Shirocco (by Monsun) has made.

Omarsharif wrote Fast stayers seems such a glib throw away line. What is it supposed to mean ? Cavaleiro could be considered the best staying colt from Sir Percy's first crop by virtue of his making the Epsom Derby field. Does his last place finish in the race qualify him as a fast stayer ? Coquet ran a commendable sixth in the Epsom Oaks and looks by far the best horse sired by Sir Percy to date and remains his only stakes winner so far. For mine the jury is out on Sir Percy, not sure if he has done enough to return :confused:

John, Indy King is a big horse with great symetry and balance. He is capable of throwing big correct leggy horses so its best to send him an average size mare. Having said that perhaps his most impressive individual from his first crop was bred from a mare that stands at least 16.1hh. Most of his first NZ crop are distinctive types that are well put together.

Having just watched the running of the Preakness Stakes today it brought back memories of those titanic Triple Crown duels that Affirmed and Alydar had in the late seventies. There are a number of similarities between the latest adversaries I’ll Have Another and Bodemeister to Affirmed and Alydar. Just like Alydar before him Bodemeister was the peoples favourite going into the first two legs of the triple crown. Just like Alydar, Bodemeister is the more impressive physical specimen. And just like Affirmed and Alydar both horses are from the same male stirp , that of Raise A Native. Both the sires of I’ll Have Another and Bodemeister are by grandsons of Mr Prospector (by Raise A Native). Alydar holds the distinction of having been the only horse to have run second in all three legs of the triple crown, if Bodemeister contests the Belmont he may emulate Alydar, that is of course if his trainer Bob Baffert takes up the challenge. Having watched both the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness and the manner in which he won them, I am quietly confident that I’ll Have Another will become the next Triple Crown winner , the first in 34 years. Needless to say racing really needs this and I can’t wait to see the theatre that would be the Belmont Stakes unfold.

His fee remains unchanged at just $3500 + GST

Louise wrote..... For those savvy breeders who are looking for a real opportunity to have a chance of breeding not only a winner but a stakes winner one cannot go past Indy King. This son of two Eclipse award winners has done everything that may have been expected of him so far. Indy King has bred stakes winners from each of his first three crops the largest of which numbered just 42. In 2010 his son Pleasant Prince proved to be amongst the very best 3 year olds in the USA, his best performance when beaten a whisker by Ice Box in the GR1 Florida Derby, Ice Box next finished runner up in the Kentucky Derby. Besides the three stakes winners from those three crops Indy King has also sired other very good performers who do not get recognised by international cataloguing as stakes winners because of their racing jurisdictions. These include the champion filly Su Majestad who is described as the best filly to race in the Dominican Republic in 30 years. Then there is 6 race winner Panhandler who was amongst the very best 2 year olds in Mexico, he finished third in the GR1 Las Americas Clasico Anahuac. Pedigree wise the field was arguably as strong a 2 year old GR1 field that could have been assembled anywhere in the world, and had 2 year old form to go with it. Indy Kings last two crops of racing age (numbered 18 & 19 respectively) have fashioned impressive race day results . The starters to winners stats from these two crops read 11 starters 8 winners and 3 starters , 3 winners to date. You could pay AU $55 000 to go to Bernardini or Au $22 000 to go to Congrats if you wanted to breed to a son of A.P. Indy in this part of the world. Common sense says that Indy King is exceptional value.

I am saddened to hear about the loss of Shinko King, commiserations to Henk and Nienke Smit. Shinko King was one of those rare sires that outperformed his opportunities at stud. He was certainly capable of producing horses of high racing class and is bound to become a respected broodmare sire in which role he already is responsible for Shez Sinsational. Regretably Shinko King did not have snob appeal and would have been consigned by many breeders to “bread and butterâ€

It is always good to see a young horse with the pedigree and qualities of Echoes of Heaven get an opportunity at stud and for the sake of the bold folk at Linwood Park I hope that he follows in the promising footsteps of Ekraar and Mr Nancho. IMHO both Ekraar and Mr Nancho are hugely underated sires and deserve to be strongly supported by breeders in New Zealand. Both Ekraar and Mr Nancho were identified as stallion prospects by Peter Jenkins as well. I can understand that stud masters can be allowed some “marketers licenceâ€