Idolmite

Will be interesting what the stats say [since reportedly data doesn't lie ] with a much greater number of races as a sample, say after 12 months. While maybe the data doesn't lie, people that work with numbers can make those numbers say anything they want them too. Data can be manipulated and those releasing the data can choose what to release and what not to release. Do the stats look a lot better when you use 600 metres as the base point, as opposed to say 450 metres or 700 metres? Who knows. To the naked eye without even giving it too much thought [I'm a very small and extremely casual punter - I never watch an entire meeting - lying on the couch and often nodding off ] or bothering to watch any replays, the first meeting looked like a leader's bias and improving slightly at more recent meetings. The stats appear to back that up, but we're only talking 40 races total, even less with the split to get the "improving data". It would be nice to see the three sets of figures they are using at 33.33333333333% each. Unless they're doing a Pride of Jenni or Kotare Chief, I much prefer watching races with horses running on from midfield or beyond. That's nothing to do with punting.. l just find it more spectacular and interesting to watch than follow the leader stuff. Like Kiwi in the Melbourne Cup.

Well a good horse has four good legs, but as Mr McGinty proved against Marscay he's pretty competitive even with only three good legs. NoMates might be that one bad McGinty leg right now, but bad legs can be repaired. Meanwhile, the other three legs are all in the top quarter of the field. You on the other hand have too many rough habits to turn it around in two weeks. I think you might need to be broken in again

200 yards handicap = about a $3500 handicap Actually, magically doubling your score would secure you the death seat parked outside of Pogo, n0?

Muscle Mountain huge on Friday night. Bring on the Slot Race. Oscar Bonavena led up and immediately gave it away and faded to last. Anybody heard or read anything as the what happened? It was just too bad a run for their to be no reason. I just hope he's okay.

I'd like the vet to swab littletramp while he's in the tie up area please. He's definitely on something Well done Team McGinty

I was 1&7 BB as well Stoyd haha

They WERE having a great day

1. Trentham R5 1, 6 2. Trentham R6 6, 7 3. Trentham R7 1, 10 4. Trentham R8. 1, 2 5. Caulfield R8. 9 BEST BET 6. Caulfield R9 1, 7 BEST BET 7. Rosehill R3. 2, 3 8. Rosehill R4 2, 5 9. Rosehill R6 1, 4 10. Rosehill R7 5, 6 11. Rosehill R8 1, 4 12. Rosehill R9 2, 5 C'mon the mighty Bone Crushers. We saw off the #2 ranked challenger in Veandercross last week. I'm sure we can do the same with the new pretenders, McGinty. GO WELL. Thanks to Scooby and John, as always.

Maybe that was the problem Alf. There's a slight difference in distance between a metre (the distance of the race was measured in metres) and the yards your selection was attempting to trot in? 1 meter is, apparently, about 1.09 yards. Perhaps the horse wasn't trained up in the metric system?

Mind you, some pacers AND trotters think they're gallopers, so........ Apparently the hounds 'gallop' too.......

It'll be interesting for sure. I've got used to the current system and don't mind it at all. In saying that though, I'm a one night per week and one day per week punter at best, outside of things like the Melbourne Cup and NZ Trotting Cup, so don't use it as often as most of those that have complained on here about it since the day of its inception. As an old fart new technology can be confusing. Too confusing means we find something else to do with any spare time and dollars

I went out for dinner when it started and still got back home in time for the finish!!

Only doing your own six-leg fixed-odds multi really. Which isn't really on for those who liked to take a number of horses per leg in the Pick 6 and utilise the % betting option. That was especially good with jackpots, but so many Pick 6's in recent years have been made "terminating" so the word "jackpot" became a historical term.

It's a de fackedto relationship

We ARE a "dying breed". Only us oldies are punting in the main. The youngies largely just go to the races to get pissed.

Why? Because one day that might be all you have, and betting on Australian racing only. New Zealand will go the way of Singapore and Macau if this doesn't work. Some of us will still be around to see what happens after 2028, others won't. I won't be, but l just hope this cash injection in the long term, somehow. I don't agree with everything they're doing, but they have to do something otherwise the lights likely would be turned off during my lifetime.

All codes. Just gone. They infer taking a quaddie instead of a Pick 6 will suffice, and taking a multi will replace Place 6. Amazing. It's not like Pick 6 and/or Place 6 would take up much of their time. No fixed odds to calculate or anything. It's a simple calculation of pool size divided my the number of live units after leg 6. And it's not even as if staff have to get their Casio calculator out to find the answer.

So what will we call Trentham? How many years is it going to be closed for? "Reinvention?" "Resuscitation?" Rebuild and/or renovation certainly won't do

The only plsce I've seen it mentioned is in another thread on Race Cafe, with regards the Place 6 AND the Pick 6 being quietly buried.

Really? The bastards. One of the only ways a pensioner punter can try for a reasonable collect for a small spend including a favourite or two. Pricks.

Opposite way around?

On it's own it isn't the solution, however, simple maths tells us that we can't have more horses racing without more horses - and my goodness we need more horses, especially at Alexandra Park. It's going to take a lot of people in multiple areas, a lot of money and a lot of work to fix the problem, particularly in Auckland. With the country gripped in a cost of living crisis, now is obviously not the right time to locate an awful lot of new owners. Is the sport even something attractive to new first-time owners anymore. With so many night-time entertainment options now compared to even 20 years ago let alone 40 years ago, where does night trotting sit? It may be they could market the hell out of it and still be of interest to very few. To be successful again we need more horses (either by breeding more and/or selling less), more special horses, more dedicated owners, more trainers, more good drivers, more money in the sport, better marketing and maybe, just maybe, more tracks running harness races. Trying to interest people in Dunedin or Wellington, for example, is pointless. Even couch potatos will likely to want a night out at the track occasionally, and realistically there's only three venues left running regular meetings, and two of those, in general, offer very little to attract anyone other than the most addicted of fans.

So know the clubs have to pay out more whilst taking in less. I imagine most of the trainers in the north are struggling too. With less and less horses to train there's only way things can go, ultimately. Owners can just give it away, albeit unwillingly as most love the game, but it's not so simple for trainers.

Have virtually all the stuff by The Raspberries, vinyl LP's and 45's, and the albums on CD as well. Likewise with Eric Carmen's first solo LP, vinyl and CD, our some Greatest Hits stuff by both on CD. I loved the style and sound of The Raspberries back in the day, and with Eric Carnen's voice and Wally Bryson's guitar, they were somewhat a frontrunner to the sound of the Freddie Mercury and Brian May pairing, of Queen. In sound perhaps without the same flamboyancy - oh, and success!! RIP Eric Carmen.

Oh I agree, it'll still be great, but with my health as it is I'd basically sleep for 3 or 4 days if I had a night out at Alexandra Park, so a night out at Cambridge would take me a week to recover from. Leap To Fame in the flesh, added to all the other stars on display would have made it all worthwhile, so it'll be interesting to see who else we lose between now and then, especially when I can stay home and watch it on TV unlike other 'last time at' events/trips I plan/hope to do while I still can.Hopefully no others pull out, but they all need a rest at some point. What a nice problem to have as the owner of LTF though - which big prizes to take and which ones to leave to others to fight over.