RaceCafe..#1...Tipsters Thread.... Share Your Fancies For Fun...Lets See Who The Best Tipsters Here Are.

Berri

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  1. Yes I did. Please note the date of Gayford's tweet and then the very ambiguous message for the rest. If it were me and I was accused of the same, my statement would be simple...."no I am not facing any drug charges and I have never been charged with the same in the past". Quite simple. Instead it's diversion language and I can't believe they haven't any PR people who could advise what language should be used. This is interesting https://fyi.org.nz/request/18477-clarke-gayford Newshub is not an official supplier of information in relation to OIA enquiries. Once again, these matters need to be settled officially to ensure no debate can occur. Still waiting for the answer in relation to Gayford's sister being married to Coster
  2. I'm not gossiping, I'm enquiring. The problem with Whyisit's note is that this quote has been taken from police comments made in 2018. The rumour mongering at that stage was that he was into drug peddling but got off at that time There have been many recent enquiries on the matter and this seems to be the narrative The reported language on this matter can be construed to be ambiguous. Why doesn't Jacinda simply get on public television and snuff the rumour out. Why give it oxygen if it's fake news? Where can the harm be in that? On the other matter...is Coster married to Gayford's sister? I'd simply like to know the truth.
  3. I would really like to know as I think all of you would. Has Clarke Gayford been charged with drug related crimes? It's all over social media and although I've looked for an exact rebuttal to the contrary, I can't find anything. Occam's Razor says that if the NZ government doesn't come out with a clear and concise message on mainstream media saying that all these social media comments are lies, then it must be true. If anything is wrong normally this sort of content is pulled straight away. Why hasn't it been? If it is true, could you say that our PM is complicit in a cover up, as would all of her right hand people? Why can't anyone clear this up? And the second disturbing thig told is that Gayford's sister is married to Coster. Is this true? If I try and google it, a find myself going down dark rabbit holes. What's true?
  4. Over the past 10 years, the international pattern committee has been trying to standardise the certification of the standard of these races by stating that we needed to have a certain number of horses racing against each other in these races for them to maintain their status. For example, a group one race needs to have either 5 horses racing against each other with a rating of 112 or greater or that the first 4 home have ratings of greater than 114 (don't quote me). If this doesn't happen over a three year period, then the rating of the race can change after a warning and review. The problem in NZ is that we have only 16 horses rated over 100!!! This is because we aren't breeding from superior genetics, the best of our horses are exported (unfortunately we're not breeding many 115+ horses anyway) and we don't have the numbers of mares being bred anymore. So when it comes to having open class handicaps, we simply don't have the horse numbers, in particular those that could internationally be classed as 90-100 rated horses. These 90-100 rated (and even less) are now racing in the NZ black type races because they can, there's slightly more money in them, and being rated 90, these handicappers are now competitive in these black type races. So as that is happening, and we don't have the numbers, the open handicap runners become 80-90 rated horses racing against each other. And to put this all into perspective, one needs to consider the reason for the racing structure in the first instance. The black type pattern was to determine the best of any generation of horse and then to test the efficacy of the classic generation (3 yrs old) against the older generation. So the structure used to be that the 2 yr old championships determined the best of them but also who the best might be in the following year. The classic generation (3 yr olds) then confirmed the finding of the previous years predictions, and then tested their prowess against the older tried horses that did battle against each other. This was to determine the credentials for stud duties. This has been seriously pulled off track because of the media races and the bureaucrats (who know nothing about racing) who have decided to change the pattern, and in doing so, have diluted the ability to determine who is the best. Handicaps were created for those who couldn't normally compete in the black type races, and for those who enjoyed the concept of betting. In the southern hemisphere, we couldn't afford the top class stallions and broodmares so we were into handicapping races. That is why many of our group one races are handicaps and not set weights. We just didn't have the right number of group one type horses to race against each other in set weight group one races. That meant that the type of stallion and mare that was imported into the southern hemisphere were a larger more robust type of horses because in the old days the expression was "they needed to be able to carry a bit of weight". This has obviously changed by the way the international market has embraced Australian racing in particular. So the challenge now relates to increasing horse numbers and the quality of that horse. Not rocket science but necessary if we want to stay relevant. On current standings, 73% of all the NZ black type races are at risk of destabilisation and down grading. No-one is really talking about this in desperate terms.
  5. I would be very tempted to execute a number of survey trials to find out why there have been a number of derogatory comments made in respect of all presentations of content Trackside television in an attempt to understand why such criticisms are continuously made. Very recently a presenter of this commercial television station was introduced to the racing audience on one of the major race days in New Zealand and Australia, To put the race day into perspective, there were no fewer than 12 group or stakes races during the day, including the historic $1.5m Newmarket Handicap, a championship sprint race over 1200m. Included in the field were two New Zealand bred race horses, champion sprinter Levante, and Rock N Horse, owned by well known breeders Little Avondale Stud, who also own Rock N Horse's sire Per Incanto. Part owner, Catriona Williams, a tetraplegic ambassador for the now famous Catwalk Spinal Cord Injury Trust, started the journey at 1.30am on the race day to travel to Flemington to watch her horse run and win. Despite being an historic occasion, coverage of the challenge to win such a race by New Zealand owned and bred horses didn't hit main stream media until after the historic win. What a shame there wasn't any content of this challenge in mainstream media leading up to the event. If you had put $1.00 on Rock N Horse, you would have received $101 back and that is news worthy in itself. The presentation of that event doesn't need NZ presenters (their face is the entire screen shot) to try and tell us what is going on in Australia when the Australian coverage has the energy and professionalism to cover the event appropriately. The life of a media presenter is a difficult one, with the audience scrutinising all aspects of the presenter, including their physical appearance and what they wear. At the very least, because of this, management of any television station should ensure that all presenting staff should be formally and professionally educated on all matters, but should include such aspects as accent, diction and inflection of the tone of the voice the presenter projects to the audience. In relation to the subject matter, the presenter should also be well versed and rehearsed in respect of the content spoken about. Prompting cards to ensure the presenter keeps on topic is often a good idea, for the occasion they lose track of the storyline they are trying to convey and maintain. In respect of management, a young presenter should be carefully introduced to the viewing community through presentation initiatives during time slots that are not prime slots such as the Newmarket race meeting. During this educational period, the presenter should be coached by management on aspects of their presentations based on market research and continuous polling of the audience. Failure to do so will see new inexperienced presenters receiving criticism, that may be well founded, but presented to them in a raw form of expression. In most cases this criticism should not warrant any apology, as the customer is normally right and wouldn't make comment if things were different, but in some cases an apology may be in order if that presenter in known to have suffered because management didn't look after her entry into the cruel world of presenting. In this instance, this critic unreservedly apologises for the colloquial introduction of presentation criticism to that new presenter. Hopefully Trackside management will ensure that this presenter isn't over exposed in the future.
  6. All that has happened is that everyone has got their knickers in a twist because I dared criticize the presenting skills of a Trackside presenter. Have you people not read what I have written in the past about a bunch of male presenters who have suffered my wrath on numerous occasions? I have also progressively ripped apart CEOs, chair people, and bureaucracies that have been running racing. Why do you think Race Cafe was started? No-one had a voice before it started. Why didn't/ haven't any of you pulled me up about those posts in the past? I've been vociferous on many occasions. But here we are after producing years and years of abusive material, in the name of trying to voice concern and create change, being asked to apologise because I dared criticize the presenting skills of yet another mediocre attempt to market our beautiful sport. What's different? What's changed? It's as though the past 2 years of Covid, (where the truth has been supplemented by circumvention of the truth using a different communication paradigm) has bred some sort of social hold the line commentary that has created a watered down version of zombieism. What has got you all going in this instance? Because the presenter was a female? And then I draw a comment that I am a monogamist!!! I don't think I've ever experienced a greater shift in not being able to report the truth for truth's sake. This young person (I'm not allowed to call her a woman) was chosen by Trackside's hierarchy to face the critical eye of an opinionated audience in a very narrow market niche....much like a maidener facing group horses for its first run. The hierarchy should know something about presenting....accent, tone, diction, flection and all of the things you absolutely should be aware of relating to be a professional presenter. If it is for reporting in a specialist market niche audience, then that person better speak the right content in the right context. I don't care what sex, what look, or what race, if these absolutely essential elements are not present in a presenter, then we need to be able to criticize because who else should, would or could do so? Rude? Unjustified? ....or simply factual? If this young person knows a lot about horse racing, then it wasn't presented informatively or obviously. I wouldn't have made comments in respect of it had the alternative been experienced. So let me have another attempt at re-writing the initial thread that has brought the wrath of all of those that seemingly I have offended. It has amazed me. Heaven's above....maybe time to hang up my whips and spurs....
  7. Just don't like seeing horses galloping on a tar sealed road straight after racing on their way back to the birdcage. I thought this sort of thing went out with the Arc during the last flood.
  8. Oh come on....if you really think I literally meant that the person needed to be shot you're jumping over Beeches Brook blindfolded. Be sensible....that's as bad as calling me a misogynist....
  9. Don't need to apologise. Made an observation that most would agree with. Anyone who has been watching my comments on Trackside presentation over the last ten years will see a common thread and they do agree with most of these comments. Even this thread proves it. This event was simply a continuation of that thread of thought. The industry is in the shit because the basics aren't being done well and need to be. It's not a matter of knowing everything because no one does, but there are common threads in respect of why this industry is in such a mess and I don't see many flash comments that could be construed as being constructive. I will not be one of those that isn't vocal, or caught up in some mamby pamby PC let's not have a winner so that we don't offend the others, type of person. People have to get a back bone to call things as they are. We have to become relevant so what does that look like? What do we need to rely on, or what should reasonable expectation be, in relation to media? That is the core of this thread.
  10. This was not actually a personal attack on an individual. It became that because people chose to interpret it that way because that is the PC way many are now wired. This was an attack on the management of Trackside and the mediocre management of the presentation of racing. If the young lady had an understanding of racing, it didn't come through, but that wasn't the main problem. Diction, accent and delivery is part of the process of reporting and this is where I made most of my referencing to. It wasn't up to the standard of a professional sports production. That you can instantly refer to Michael Walker's presentation speaks volumes of what we are missing and where Trackside's management is falling to one side.
  11. I don't even consider anything the commentators pick. On days like today I get on with my work and have the box going on in the background in order to tune in on the races that interest me. Don't bet a lot because it's not a smart thing to do if you're after the event. Betting on something influences my focus. What a loss Tavistock is. Progeny won the NZ Derby and the Railway. Knocking over races in Aussie...such a shame he died. NZ could do with him. Bought a filly by him this year (lot 20) and a much too expensive colt last year but you've got to be in to win. Bermadez might pull a good one off for the lads over the next month or so, but you know the industry, one day at the top of the mountain, in the bunker the next.
  12. Go and put you head in the same bucket. I don't care if you think I'm a misogynist because I don't care for diversion of the real content of this thread. You can swear all you like because your reaction is the crux of why this amasing industry of ours is failing. I don't care for PC rubbish. Just deal with facts. For years we have watched the degradation of the visual image of New Zealand racing. Your young lady has no talent and very little knowledge of the subject matter. That is a fact. It's not her fault, it's the fault of the idiot that thinks the visual image and sound bite of her media presence is good enough for a professional marketing initiative called racing. This is main stream media and that you don't know or understand that this is a major issue speaks volumes of your inability to identify the fundamental problems that we continuously experience. I don't care for your support if you wish to promote mediocrity. This industry should demand excellence, not some second rate amateurish production. Who gave me the right to criticise?... it's called the human bill of rights....freedom of speech comes to mind. Add to this that I was one of the original funders of this site for Dave and Ange when it was started and I think I might have the right to be objectionable. Add that to the history that I have in investing in commercial production houses that succeeded, and I think I might qualify from a technical perspective. In terms of industry knowledge, there are a few who might think I have the industry's health and well being as a priority and if you can't see that your young lady is not the desired image we need to promote, then get out of the kitchen. I make no excuses for my attitudes. As for being a misogynist, your assumptions are inaccurate. I enjoy, and promote women. To say that I hate, have contempt for, or am strongly prejudiced against women is absurd and degrading and that you define my post as such indicates a clear psychological impediment in your character. I have for a long time criticised many members of the Trackside cast and the producers. You have clearly shown you have misandry tendencies.
  13. You need to get your head in the right bucket. The job of a presenter needs to be a well informed, well presented, well educated person who has been trained to be a media professional. Unfortunately this young lady fails on a number of various standards. I am not a professional presenter so would never consider that I'm good enough although I know some of the content required to educate and entertain the horse industry. This says a lot about the management who are responsible to produce a slick, acceptable presentation. That they continue to make our shop front window to be an aggravating, un-educational and un entertaining experience speaks volumes about the inept delivery of a professional display of NZ horse racing. I will criticize because hopefully someone might listen. You certainly don't qualify as anyone who realises the problems associated with this issue.
  14. yes....but not just going across it but also along it. Saw three horses galloping on the road.... I'm in a bitching mood
  15. How bad do they need to be...bad accent, talks for the sake of talking and a grating tone to het voice....the young women that talks out of the side of her mouth currently on Trackside Mediocrity.....
  16. horses coming back to the birdcage, not on the grass, but on the road. Track looks stuffed
  17. Bruce Sherwin and Bruce Sharrock have their work cut out for them. The industry used to be about finding out who the best horse was so over the years a pattern was developed. Then they worked out that there were a lot of people betting on these races (including the owners) so handicap racing started. I've been to Weatherby’s selecting the odd book out of their vast archives, that started in the 1700's, where every race was over 3 1/2 miles and each horse had the same weight. Over time this morphed to reflect the change of plan. For more than 40 years the international racing industry has wrestled with ways to quantify a thoroughbred’s racing quality. The ultimate goal is a system that portrays the value of a given horse’s performance record consistently across all borders worldwide. Along with the growth in commercial sales arose the need for standards across the world’s leading auction houses. The quality expressed by a horse’s catalogue page needed to be the same whether the horse was being sold in Kentucky or England. To address this need, the International Cataloguing Standards Committee formed in 1981 followed by the Society of International Thoroughbred Auctioneers in 1983. Identifying a method to highlight consistently the most important horses on a catalogue page was among the key issues the ICSC and SITA would address first. At this time, European racing authorities had in place for more than a decade a classification system that distinguished ordinary stakes from those with prestige. The better races, called group races, were assigned a I, II, or III rating, with ‘I’ being the best. The remaining ungraded stakes were identified as “pattern” races. The ICSC and SITA added to this convention by defining the specific races whose winners and placers would be entitled to “black type” identification in a sales catalogue. Both the grade/group ratings and black-type designations were driven by a common goal: to improve the breed by allowing breeders to evaluate racing class in stallions and broodmares in a reliable, consistent, and objective manner. Over the years the purse requirements have risen steadily. A $50,000 purse is now the minimum to be considered for black type. Recognizing, too, that purse money is not a reliable indicator of quality, additional requirements for black-type status have been introduced. Beginning with the 2013 racing year, listed stakes are now evaluated annually and assigned black-type status by the International Pattern Committee. Then in 2014 a quality control system for non-listed stakes was implemented and assigns every race a Race Quality Score. If a race’s three-year rolling average score and its most recent annual score fall below a minimum threshold, it loses its black-type status. The pattern of these black type races was designed to establish programs where various championships were designed and that each competition became harder as they drew to a conclusion. These championships were designed to find out the merit of each horse with the ability to compare one crop of horses with another. Recently this has been pulled off track and is leading to a slow degradation of the merits of various horses. Who is the best horse?...the winner of the $1m sales race or the Manawatu Sires produce? So now we have fallen over. Approx. 80% of our stakes races are under notice because we don’t have the horses with appropriate races. This set weights and penalties is a chase to the bottom of the hill because we’ve lost the original reason for the black type pattern. I simply don’t understand why our leaders aren’t panicking. What a mess. The sales this week were a mess. The Auckland Cup field is a mess. We are on a slippery slope that has seen the government appoint a CEO of the NZTAB who knows little about racing, very little about technology and nothing about the black art of betting. The only conclusion you could make is that the bid by Entain and TAB Corp to sell the NZTAB for $1.4 is real.
  18. weights for the Auckland Cup... Concert Hall....winner of 11 races including a group 1,2 and 3 weighted 56 official rating 105 House of Cartier winner of 5 including 1 Group 3 and one listed weighted 54 official rating 98 Lincoln King winner of 6 incl Wellington Cup (G3) weighted 56 official rating 87 Roger That winner of 7 incl Auckland Cup (GP 1) weighted 55 official rating 90 Joe's Legacy winner of 3 incl one listed race weighted 55 official rating 80 Who the fuck is doing these weights? Absolutely absurd....makes no sense...it's a handicap.
  19. Bermadez, a horse I part own, has as a direct descendent a 1698 Byerley Turk mare.
  20. This picture is the grandam of Tavistock (Mrs Moss - held by Henrietta) with her foal by Top Ville. On the left (held by Andrew, now the Duke of Bedford) is Jupiter Island, (Rated 126) the winner of the Japan Cup. He is a son of Mrs Moss. On the far right is Precocious (another Mrs Moss son) rated 124, who raced 5 times for 5 wins. His last three wins in group stakes company were won by gap margins, including the National Stakes (1983), Norfolk Stakes (1983), Molecomb Stakes (1983) and Gimcrack Stakes (1983). He was a World beating 2 yo, who unfortunately got a bone chip in his knee and was retired. He was the heavy favourite for the 2000 Guineas the following season before the accident. Now-a-days you would have removed it and got on with the job. No wonder Tavistock's progeny win Derbies and Oaks yet one of his daughters, Entriviere can pick off the Railway. To put things into perspective, Winx was rated 126 and Verry Ellegent 125.
  21. Entain is a publicly listed gaming company in the UK and Tab Corp is Tabcorp. Black type races can only be built up if better horses race in our black type races. That's why we're in the shit. Not enough of them
  22. Can't understand why everyone isn't panicking 67% of the black type races in NZ have the profile of being on notice. This is potentially blood in the water, on the ground and on all of the bureaucrats hands. Can't think of anything better to shut the shop down further. Add to that the smell of Entain and TAB Corp circling the bait ball at NZ$1.4b and you'll realise that COVID has to be paid for somehow.