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Of all Deep Impact's good winners analyzed in the earlier post Deep Impact – et al (currently residing on Page 4) only one (Snowfall) is out of a Galileo mare. Although 4F x 7 M Auguste Rodin's sex balanced double of English Horse of the Year Busted may be at work here. G1 Japanese Derby winner Deep Brillante (included in the Page 4 post) is 4F x 5M to Busted and not altogether unlike the Captain Rio mating suggested in the post for Staphanos. This mating best suits a colt.

Fanfreluche, one of Northern Dancer's good fillies accurately reflecting the linebreeding identified in the Northern Dancer – et al post with male and female strains of both Robert le Diable and St Marguerite, the later providing what could be called the “filly factor” i.e. a son and daughter of a female ancestor.

Tivaci demonstrates how Tredennis can still have some influence. High Chaparral like Montjeu has “used” the Tredennis/Sweet Marjorie linebreeding, however the lines of Tredennis in High Chaparral are all male strains, so mares carrying female strains could still be effective. Tivaci's dam Breccia carries 3 of these lines. Critically she also has a male strain of Abbots Trace to balance the female strain in Northern Dancer - as does Galileo and Montjeu. Interestingly, and to quote from Sir Charles Leicester's wonderful tome 'Bloodstock Breeding': “Tredennis is about the only sire with considerable recent influence on modern pedigree who was a thoroughly useless racehorse. He was very well bred being by Kendal (sometime Champion Sire) out of the 1000 Guineas winner St. Marguerite, Tredennis spent three years in training but was incapable of winning a race of any sort. He was then sold for 100 pounds, transferred to Ireland and started at stud in the most humble circumstances serving “half-bred” and all sorts of mares. He soon began to get winners from the few thoroughbred mares he was put to, so as time went on the quality of his mares improved. Not unnaturally with better mares he got better winners and when he died in his 29th year had sired the winners of 480 races value 147,479 pounds in England and Ireland – a most remarkable performance.”

Jennifer Eccles - a pedigree puzzle and a possible solution with linebreeding to full brother/sister Diadem and Diadumenos. Diadem won the 1000 Guineas, ran second in the Oaks ,and won both the July Cup and Kings Stand Stakes – twice. Diadumenos was rated as the best sprinter of his time. There is some anecdotal evidence Crested Wave (who carries the line of Diadem) exerted similar pedigree influence back in the 1980s with two good ones in Surfers Paradise -NZ Derby, NZ 2000 Guineas, W.S. Cox Plate, Rosehill Guineas and Plume, NZ 1000 Guineas, Champion NZ 3yo filly of her year.

Galileo like his sire is free of Tredennis and achieved success when mated with mares carrying multiples of that line. Herewith four of Galileo's highest ranked colts and fillies: Two points of reference (in addition to the analysis) suggest this is the likely key. The observation (by others) of the Darshaan and or Shirley Heights cross with Sadlers Wells (provides 3 lines of Tredennis) Montjeu's fillies do not appear in the same class as his colts. Unlike Sadlers Wells and Galileo Montjeu has a line of Tredennis in his dam so the Tredennis / Sweet Marjorie linebreeding has already been used. As a consequence when Montjeu is mated with mares carrying Tredennis the linebreeding is to now to Tredennis – not a full brother sister, thus losing the filly factor this provides, one both Sadlers Wells and Galileo appear to have benefited from.

The linebreeding to the full brother and sister described above would be expected to work for both colts and fillies. Triple Oaks winner Alexandrova (Epsom, Irish, and Yorkshire) examples this. She also has balanced linebreeding to Abbots Trace of unknown affect here.

High Chaparrals linebreeding is a little different but much the same, as HDC Hampton once said “nature hides her secrets well”. However a comment on the Pedigreequery.com database provides a useful clue: DARSHAAN (GB) br. H, 1981 {13-c} DP = 4-5-12-5-8 (34) DI = 0.79 CD = -0.24 - 8 Starts, 5 Wins, 0 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $216,726 1984 Champion 3YO in France. 1984 Champion 3YO stayer in Europe. Noted broodmare sire - particularly when crossed with Sadler's Wells much like his sire Shirley Heights. Stood at Gilltown Stud, Co. Kildare, IRE The answer may still lie with St. Marguerite lurking in the background. Sadlers Wells now carries 6 female strains - one of which comes through his tail female line of Simons Shoes by Simon Square, who is out of Sweet Marjorie. She is by Kendal out of St. Marguerite, Shirley Heights has 3 duplications of her full brother Tredennis.

The first post in this thread described how Northern Dancers linebreeding to Rock Sand appeared to be one of his strongest lines and how Abbots Trace carried a 3 x 4 cross of St. Marguerite and full brother St. Honorat. Using Sadlers Wells as an example his progeny demonstrates how this linebreeding can be carried forward (as always through an opposite strain) Firstly two of his very best i.e. Galileo and Montjeu:

Herewith four of his good ones. Northern Dancers balanced linebreeding to Ayrshire is now brought forward through an opposite strain of Robert Le Diable who is by Ayrshire out of a daughter of Melton. Of note this linebreeding in all cases is coming through American Triple Crown winner Omaha or his full brother Flares by Gallant Fox whose fifth dam is St. Marguerite – the second dam of Rock Sand.

The Ayrshire presence here may be due to a build up of his # 8 family in the background of Northern Dancers pedigree. A list of these is attached and of note: Atalanta is a ¾ sister to St Serf, Miss Middlewick is a full sister to Violet Melrose, Violet is a full sister to Feronia, and Bridget is a full sister to Melton.

Based on progeny analysis his strongest lines appear to be through the balanced linebreeding to both Rock Sand the English Triple Crown winner, and Ayrshire who won the Champagne Stakes at Doncaster and the 2000 Guineas and Derby at Epsom. The male line of Rock Sand is present through Abbots Trace - and therein lies a clue with his 3 x 4 cross of 1000 Guineas winner St Marguerite and her full brother St Honorat. (More to follow)

Promising filly with balanced linebreeding to Banish Fear, Eight Thirty, and full brother/sister Astrophel and Dulce. A significant number od Deep Impacts best race fillies have the linebreeding to Banish Fear/Herodias including: Gran Alegria, Jour Polaire, Lei Papale, Loves Only You, Marialite, Mikki Queen, Terzetto, Shonan Pandora, Akaitorino Musume etc; all except Terzetto at G1 level. Oaks heroine Snowfall was linebred to opposite strains of Cosmah which simply brings Banish Fear / Herodias forward. All extended pedigrees included in the Deep Impact post below.

Some thoughts on Fireburn: Firstly the linebreeding to full brother/sister Ridan and Thong: They have balanced linebreeding to Ormonde and his full brother in blood Martagon plus the full sisters Windermere and Frivolity. There is additional linebreeding to Troutbeck and his full sister Mountain Lass whose second dam Rydal is a full sister to Kendal - all from the same crack #16 family. Sweet Marjorie is also a full sister to Tredennis (not teased out on the pedigree sheet) who appears through Ribot etc. It would be reasonable to assume that fillies of Fireburn's ability would have elements in their pedigree that would differentiate them from others (the Ridan/Thong duplication is not altogether uncommon) and here it may be her balanced duplications of (the dam of two Derby winners) Friars Daughter, again from the same #16 family. It could be argued this build up of balanced linebreeding in the background to the same family is coalescing with Ridan/Thong. Of interest Friars Daughter is out of a mare by Roseland whose 4th dam is Electric Light. So You Think's dam line traces to Winning Flight by Winning Hit who carries a double of Bill of Portland, a son or male strain of Electric Light.

Hello Pheroz, Without a detailed pedigree analysis it is really difficult to comment. The purpose of the posts in the thread are to demonstrate the principle that appears to be at work in the pedigrees of top class race fillies (i.e. sex balanced linebreeding to a female ancestor) However if Opie has labelled her he is seldom wrong.

Petite Etoile has balanced linebreeding to full sisters, with Petition providing two male strains of Windermere (through Muncaster) and Star of Iran supplying the two female strains of the full sister Frivolity. Perhaps another example of top class race fillies carrying male and female strains of a female ancestor.

Breeder This should clarify: [ ) Full brother - eg Catton ( ] Full sister – eg Miss Catton < > 3/4 [ ] Full brothers – eg Stockwell and Rataplan. The important part of the pedigree is the Catton / Miss Catton linebreeding. Interestingly Fifinella's dam was mated with Lemberg who also caries 4 lines of Catton thus duplicating the the linebreeding to Miss Catton. The resultant filly Soubriquet won five races and ran second in both the 1000 Guineas and Oaks.

Fifinella became the fourth filly in the history of the Turf to achieve the double, defeating the colts in the 1916 renewal of the Derby and wining the Oaks. (The preceding three were Eleanor 1801, Blink Bonny in 1857, and Signorinetta in 1908) The pedigree demonstrates firstly the method of linebreeding that works for both colts and fillies – i.e. linebreeding to a full brother and sister, and secondly how the methods of linebreeding in good racers have not changed over the centuries. Her full brother Silvern won nine races, and ran second in the St. Leger before taking up stud duties at the National Stud.

Killer Ability the latest G1 winner for Deep Impact in a 2000 metre race for two year olds..No real pedigree surprises with balanced linebreeding to Hail to Reason, Blue Swords / Bluehaze, North Star and interestingly the infrequently encountered Starflight, the full sister to North Star. Starflight also appears in the pedigree of Jennifer Eccles (to unknown effect) unlike here where we have seen linebreeding to North Star in his good colts Contrail, Al Ain, and Fierce Impact

Herewith three good fillies with shared common elements in their pedigrees and similar linebreeding outcomes (despite Quija Board being bred on the other side of the world) Happyanunoit : Yachtie has two female strains of Sirenia and the dam provides the male strain of her full sister Hammerkop. Sea Change : Cape Cross has a male strain of Scylla and the dam a female strain of her full sister Electra. Quija Board : As for Sea Change except in this case the female strain of Electra comes through Salmon-Trout rather than Salmagundi in Sea Change. In each case a male and female strain of a female ancestor likely to best suit a filly. Of interest and to quote Sir Charles Leicester's Bloodstock Breeding - “Scylla was a full sister to the 1000 Guineas winner Electra (who produced Orpheus. An evil tempered horse and a bad sire) and Salamandra (won three races. Second in the Oaks and third in the 1000 Guineas. Dam of the St. Leger winner Salmon-Trout) Their dam Sirenia won nine good-class races and was the ancestress of both Snow Marten (Oaks) and Comrade (Grand Prix de Paris) She was a full sister to the Cesarewitch winner Hammerkop (dam of the Derby winner Spion Kop)

LATEST STAR FILLY Aidan O'Brien speaks of 'massive loss' after the death of top filly Snowfall Frankie Dettori pays rich tribute to record-breaking 16-length Oaks winner Snowfall: three-time Oaks star, top Ballydoyle filly and a leading daughter of Deep Impact Edward Whitaker (racingpost.com/photos) 1 of 1 By Richard Forristal and Mark Boylan UPDATED 8:01PM, JAN 11 2022 Frankie Dettori has described Snowfall as the easiest British Classic winner he has ever ridden after Aidan O'Brien revealed his his brilliant triple Oaks heroine had to be put down this week, dealing Ballydoyle the cruellest of blows on the cusp of the 2022 Flat season The high-class four-year-old, who ran out a devastating 16-length winner of the Oaks at Epsom under Dettori before going on to triumph in the Curragh and York equivalents, recently suffered a serious pelvis injury in her stable at Ballydoyle, O'Brien said. Despite the veterinary team's best efforts to save her, the battle was ultimately lost. Snowfall finished sixth in the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe before running what proved to be her final race when third in the British Champions Fillies & Mares Stakes at Ascot in October. With St Mark's Basilica already retired, she would have been expected to lead the line for the trainer's older horses in 2022. More than that, as a daughter of Deep Impact out of a sister to the stable's 2016 Arc winner Found, her value to Coolmore as a future broodmare was incalculable, with O'Brien indicating the plan had been to send her to be covered by St Mark's Basilica in the spring.

Goldikova's dam has the full sisters Eclair and Infra Red who are out of Black Ray. Anabaa's dam line carries Jacopo who is the male strain of Black Ray, thus male and female strains of a female ancestor likely to best suit a filly. Of note: Black Ray is also the fifth dam of Mill Reef and the seventh dam of Lady's Secret.

Herewith the pedigree of Akaitorino Musume Group 1 winner # 53 for Deep Impact. She has balanced linebreeding to Craig an Eran, St Germans, Herodias, Bull Lea, and Artists Proof. Loves Only You has just won the Breeders Cup Fillies & Mare Turf (pedigree above) Coincidentally (or not) she also has balanced linebreeding to Craig an Eran, St Germans, Herodias, Bull Lea, and Artists Proof.

Spring Champion Stakes winner Profondo has balanced linebreeding to Hail to Reason, Petition, Bull Lea, and North Star. Other top quality G1 Deep Impact colts with balanced linebreeding to Hail to Reason in particular, include Fierce Impact, Wagnerian, Contrail, and Roger Barows. (All pedigrees above)

Tidal Light's sire Diagramatic has male and female strains of Electric Light. Azores her dam has two male strains of Electric Rose (bringing forward the multiple lines of Electric Light) thus linebreeding to male and female strains of a female ancestor. (Cut and paste from earlier in the thread,responses appreciated) There is a view in linebreeding circles two female strains of a male ancestor also works for fillies. If there are examples of this method that have resulted in good racetrack performers please post their names here.