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That is over the long term of course, there are plenty of times where they would get partial collects & lose significantly on the race. The point is without them JB doesn't even get the option as the investment from JB into those exotics pools are so small that they wouldn't be feasible. Regardless, JB doesn't care about takeouts etc, he is only interested in pool size & the chance of a massive return for a tiny outlay as is evidenced when pools jackpot to the next race & the flood of money seen. The reality is that JB is likely to get an even smaller collect.

Great math, but the bit you ignored is Joe Blow doesnt invest in a 67500 pool as it’s too small to entice him. The TAB return is even smaller or the bet option doesn’t exist at all. & for your info since you asked the question, they live in Aus. I think you would be shocked at how small & non existent betting options would be without them.

The elites are keeping the exotics pools alive. Tri’s First 4’s & Quaddies would be full of elite money, the small loss or break even they do is topped up with rebates. Without them these pools would be decimated and most whom bet in them now wouldn’t bother.

I was also very sure they scrapped away tonnes of the wrong sand grade late last yr, cored the track and had a field turf company correct it, which is why the course was closed for months.

I was there on Sat and I was bloody sure races 2,5,6 were won by runners well off the pace, Watched the replays just now and appears my eyes weren’t lying. 3 out of the 8 races were won by horses from near last turning, biased tracks normally prevent that from happening. Leggy looks bang on, poor pace judgement appears the culprit in a few of the races and the rest just looks like statistical norm to me.

yeah me 2, unfortunately the idiots have no idea, its no wonder NZ racing is toast

Ok so here's an idea for the dickheads running the TAB since Geo blocking is a cert. Bring the Geo Blocking in, then ditch Fixed odds betting. Reduce the tote pool % to 10 - 15% or less to make it very competitive, get rid of all the staff associated with fixed odds.Stop commingling with the Aus totes on NZ racing but maintain it with Aus content.

Capping will work, if you raise the bottom up significantly, most are not entering the market as they don't want to race for $12k, $25k min makes it more viable. Introducing another operator requires legislation change & that's never happening, gambling is a bad thing in NZ so pointless thinking thats happening. Yes I own horses in NZ, makes no difference to my thinking on this. The industry is full of participants whom have offshore accounts, trainers, Trackside employees, TAB staff you name it.

Reduce costs (like any other business failing to make a profit does). You cant tell me that they can't operate far leaner than they are right now. Outsource the TAB Cap races to $100k (only race to G3 here, we are effectively doing that now) & raise the minimum to $25k. Operate proper tiered racing Those 4 for starters.

Racing has been unable to support itself for many yrs here, doing this won't change that fact. Stakes can't increase when the product can't support itself. It can't support itself because punters have drifted away, address the root cause of why they have left & not the symptom as is what is likely with geo fencing. The punters in the main whom have drifted away overseas are the more intelligent ones, understand market pricing, seek out competitive products & what value for money is, do you honestly think they are coming back here to punt when nothing has really changed since they left?.

The other thing is for an export led country whom relies on its very survival of overseas people purchasing our goods, its bloody rich to then try & fence Kiwis in from purchasing better products elsewhere. Get your act together locally & the people will come, don't force them to do so.

The trouble is Baxter, the reason why punters are betting offshore is they offer a poor value product with seriously noncompetitive pricing on local & Aus markets. Think of it like this, a recent survey showed in excess of 50% of NZers purchased stuff online on a regular basis & a fair proportion of it overseas, now should that all be banned as well?. Or should the local market be asked to get competitive & offer a superior service, of course they should & that's what local retailers have done.

The difference is they have options, competition & quality, we have none of those. Fencing in a poorly performing product won’t save it from collapse, they are not addressing the root of the problem & that’s racing isn’t even close to self supporting. Geo fencing will alienate even more people and result in a hastened departure from interest for many, they are deluded if they think the amount that’s gambled externally now will all drift back to racing.

The most frustrating part is waiting for them to cross back to a NZ venue prior to the start of a race for which you own a horse running in it, then having to sit through a bloody dog race from remote Victoria to finally crossing back with 2min 30 left before the jump. The only thing worse is attending a race meeting in person and sitting through 30 mins in the stand, there are only so many Pies, Chips and Beers one can consume to keep you interested. Thank god for mobile phones otherwise most would be bored shitless, the drudgery that was ok 10yrs ago on course just doesn’t cut it in todays fast paced world.

Sure they can do what they want, surely though people are allowed a differing opinion on the value of it?

Yes it is, provided the Publication is self supporting, is it?.

Yep sure is, I have yet to have anyone give me a compelling reason as to why I should buy it over using the free form on multiple websites in NZ & Aus.

It’s a dinosaur that’s why, paper publications have no future regardless of what or where. It’s not promoting racing, no one even knows anything about it. I couldn’t tell you a single place that it’s for sale at and there is not chance I would get it delivered with data missing and dated info. We need to embrace the future not something that’s a relic of an era gone.

When you could have looked Wednesday at 11am on NZ Racing and now going forward backed it at mid afternoon Wednesday.

It’s $500 a year wasted on something that can be obtained free from the TAB website or NZ Racing. How many copies a week does it sell? 1000 tops surely?

Leggy, it would have been insured for indemnity only. Insurers are not stupid, they are not going to insure a neglected old dump for replacement when at the time before the quake the most likely scenario was a total loss fire. Indemnity is the current market value at time of loss less depreciation, which makes the building worth fark all.

No I don't get the picture, are you saying that trainers in NZ are crooks & likely to take advantage of a few $ short term?. Possibly risking long term backing of there starters?.

Well clearly you needed it, its a well known thing for at least 4-5yrs.

Also note there are great free programs now you can download that can scan the wifi you are using to see if there are hidden camera or mics on the network, plus also highlight if someone is accessing the wifi for dodgy means. Less likely in a hotel, but we’ll known issues at B N Bs or private homes.

Simple solution is a VPN, select an Auckland server and you will have no issues. Or leave your home PC on before you go, download either of 2 programs, Anydesk or TeamViewer and you can access your PC like you are sitting in front of it. You might ask why should I get a VPN? well if you are accessing the internet using a Hotel,Motel,Public Wifi in NZ or overseas they you are placing yourself at serious risk. There is also the high chance that you are using an inadequate Virus/Malware program (windows defender) or Apple products with vulnerabilities displayed only last week. For less than $100 a Yr you can get a decent program like Malwarebytes that protects your device, offers a browser guard and a VPN. You wouldn’t own a home without a lockable front door of good quality, this is the same but with probably bigger risk of a financial loss. https://www.malwarebytes.com/vpn