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[Houlahan's Dream 686]

Just now, Pak Star said:

It looked pretty bad.  Horse seemed to roll over top of her.  

Horse followed field home right? 

Horrifying watch. 

[Charlie E 791]

El Vencedor . I remember a couple of years ago when Wiremu Pinn was riding him saying he was a good horse . I watched him run a couple of times thought he was very average and thought seriously ? Look at him now what a horse Wiremu knew what he was talking about back then 

[nomates 5,581]

2 minutes ago, Charlie E said:

El Vencedor . I remember a couple of years ago when Wiremu Pinn was riding him saying he was a good horse . I watched him run a couple of times thought he was very average and thought seriously ? Look at him now what a horse Wiremu knew what he was talking about back then 

Always shown ability , won his first trial at Matamata as a 2yo ,I had a share in a horse in it that ran a great 4th and got sold to Aus .

Taken a long time to find his strength .

But in all reality the strength of the races aren't great , especially with those 2 good mares coming out , that would have been a different result IMO .

[Blaird 599]

6 hours ago, nomates said:

Yeah I'm not convinced by Savaglee , hasn't really beaten anything in my book and never run great time . Next couple of starts might prove me wrong

What did you think about Savaglee's run? First NZ runner home but beaten fair and square by the Aussie 3yo who wouldn't be in the top 10 Aussie 3 year olds would he?

I fear Savaglee would look a bit ordinary if they took him to Aus.

[Pete Lane 1,373]

5 minutes ago, Blaird said:

What did you think about Savaglee's run? First NZ runner home but beaten fair and square by the Aussie 3yo who wouldn't be in the top 10 Aussie 3 year olds would he?

I fear Savaglee would look a bit ordinary if they took him to Aus.

Agree. I think they’d be better off targetting the Kiwi.

[nomates 5,581]

6 minutes ago, Blaird said:

What did you think about Savaglee's run? First NZ runner home but beaten fair and square by the Aussie 3yo who wouldn't be in the top 10 Aussie 3 year olds would he?

I fear Savaglee would look a bit ordinary if they took him to Aus.

I'll be honest , he went fair off a very nice run , but yes he will get spanked if they are going for the Aus Gns .

The biggest take out of the race for me was that our best sprinters got spanked by a 7yo gld that has never performed above G3 in Aus and the 2nd horse has only won up to restricted Listed level . That should send alarm bells ringing , massive alarm bells .

And get used to it , another horse in Konasana won the G2 600k mares race on KM night , never performed above G3 in Aus either . Staying for the G1 mares race shorly .

Now that those Big Aus stables have their marker I expect them to send anything that battles above G3 in Aus over to get easier Black Type and very good stakes .

All well and good throwing huge money at our better races but when your quality outside of 2/3 horses is , to be brutal , mediocre , then your races are going to be raped and plundered .

I've been expecting something like this for a while and maybe the big Aus stables were a little slow to realize what was required , but not anymore .

Give it a couple of seasons , or even less and there will be plenty of moaning from locals about all the stake money going out of the country .   

[Houlahan's Dream 686]

3 hours ago, Pak Star said:

 

Correct..

Imperatiz goes to the barn and what have we got? 

Orchestral. Perhaps. 

[nomates 5,581]

2 minutes ago, Houlahan's Dream said:

Correct..

Imperatiz goes to the barn and what have we got? 

Orchestral. Perhaps. 

I think Snazzytavi is the best horse we have but certainly not a lot between them .

Be interesting to see Legarto when she comes back .

[Kiwihab 6]

25 minutes ago, nomates said:

I'll be honest , he went fair off a very nice run , but yes he will get spanked if they are going for the Aus Gns .

The biggest take out of the race for me was that our best sprinters got spanked by a 7yo gld that has never performed above G3 in Aus and the 2nd horse has only won up to restricted Listed level . That should send alarm bells ringing , massive alarm bells .

And get used to it , another horse in Konasana won the G2 600k mares race on KM night , never performed above G3 in Aus either . Staying for the G1 mares race shorly .

Now that those Big Aus stables have their marker I expect them to send anything that battles above G3 in Aus over to get easier Black Type and very good stakes .

All well and good throwing huge money at our better races but when your quality outside of 2/3 horses is , to be brutal , mediocre , then your races are going to be raped and plundered .

I've been expecting something like this for a while and maybe the big Aus stables were a little slow to realize what was required , but not anymore .

Give it a couple of seasons , or even less and there will be plenty of moaning from locals about all the stake money going out of the country .   

Really valid points and figured OZ winning the Grp 1 was almost guaranteed after Aidan Rodley gleefully sounding off. Besides posting it on X/Twitter, ,he went on and on about these stats on Trackside. No context either as to numbers/ratios, etc  -i.e. or all our best go over to Australia chasing the riches, whereby OZ trainers couldn't care less about our Grp ones for the most part and  if they do send anything, its a few rungs below top. Until maybe now that is, as you point out above

 

[scooby3051 13,152]

And stupid Rodley behaves like a kid in a lolly shop trying to encourage more to come...what about the locals?????that will mean the jocks he manages get less of the spoils...he opens his mouth before he engages his brain most of the time...like asking trainers before a big race what are they expecting from their horse...I wish one would say of course to run last why else would we be here...sorry but he does my head in...and you look at the professional after race and pre race discussion coming in from Oz they are a different class.

[Houlahan's Dream 686]

13 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

And stupid Rodley behaves like a kid in a lolly shop trying to encourage more to come...what about the locals?????that will mean the jocks he manages get less of the spoils...he opens his mouth before he engages his brain most of the time...like asking trainers before a big race what are they expecting from their horse...I wish one would say of course to run last why else would we be here...sorry but he does my head in...and you look at the professional after race and pre race discussion coming in from Oz they are a different class.

Amen. Chalk and cheese. 

[We're Doomed 6,019]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

 

The biggest take out of the race for me was that our best sprinters got spanked by a 7yo gld that has never performed above G3 in Aus and the 2nd horse has only won up to restricted Listed level . That should send alarm bells ringing , massive alarm bells .

  

The winner did win a $1m race at its last start and a $1.5m race three starts ago. The runner up won a $3m race at its last start. They are no mugs. $17 was an extraordinary quinella.

[Insider 5,250]

18 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

The winner did win a $1m race at its last start and a $1.5m race three starts ago. The runner up won a $3m race at its last start. They are no mugs. $17 was an extraordinary quinella.

I feel that the "tall poppy syndrome" has kicked in between Nomates and a few of is friends, although he suggests that he doesn't have any - LOL

Here To Shock is a bloody good horse and I know a fair bit about him as I receive the pre-race stable comments for whats it's worth.

Amen

[Charlie E 791]

30 minutes ago, Insider said:

I feel that the "tall poppy syndrome" has kicked in between Nomates and a few of is friends, although he suggests that he doesn't have any - LOL

Here To Shock is a bloody good horse and I know a fair bit about him as I receive the pre-race stable comments for whats it's worth.

Amen

Very true . He gave our best sprinters a spanking today 

[nomates 5,581]

39 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

The winner did win a $1m race at its last start and a $1.5m race three starts ago. The runner up won a $3m race at its last start. They are no mugs. $17 was an extraordinary quinella.

 

16 minutes ago, Insider said:

I feel that the "tall poppy syndrome" has kicked in between Nomates and a few of is friends, although he suggests that he doesn't have any - LOL

Here To Shock is a bloody good horse and I know a fair bit about him as I receive the pre-race stable comments for whats it's worth.

Amen

Ok get it straight , I never knocked the horse . There is no tall poppy syndrome at all , just stating facts and my opinion on what the future holds .

The facts : The winner is a 7yo that has won 3 G3s , stakes are irrelevant because as we know money is flowing across Australasian racing , every time he has stepped up from G3 he has not performed . FACT , whether you Insider know a fair bit about him and get the inside gen means nothing , if he that good why didn't he stay in Melbourne and take on Mr Brightside . Reality is very few 7yos improve above what they are , he is now a G1 winner , albeit in NZ , where even you have had a dig at our standard , but good on him . Maybe you should not let your personal bias lead your comments . Now Insider if you know something about him I don't from his record please enlighten me .

                 : The second horse has won 2 races , 1 a lower race and at his last start a restricted race that had Listed status , which we all deride here , again stake has no relevance .

                 : Now the big FACT , these 2 horse with lower grade black type form have come over and kicked our best sprinters and our current champion 3yo , the winner was comprehensive . So are you noy concerned ?

Now where is the Tall Poppy in stating those facts , if I did have that syndrome I would actually be rejoicing at our best horses getting beaten up , I wasn't I was saying how worrying it is . 

Now to you alone Insider , this isn't the first time you have got on your high horse , and always when I have said something that you have a connection with , I don't say anything personal , you just take it personal , you just jump on your high horse and have a dig like I'm not allowed an opinion . If you don't like what I said here then give me a counter argument , I have stated facts , tell me which ones I have got wrong . 

[We're Doomed 6,019]

I'm not getting involved in any personal debates. I have been out of touch all day and only just catching up on results and reading a few comments. I fully expected the two Aussies to quinella it. The winner is a very impressive horse. I saw some people suggesting grail seeker was a good thing. I can only assume the don't watch Aussie racing.

As Nomates says, some of our newly high staked races with ordinary fields will become attractive targets for Aussie raiders. The same thing happened when Helen and Winston gave us the $1m Derbies.

[Insider 5,250]

Nomates, I simply get sick and tied of New Zealanders putting each other down.

Here to Shock didn't stay in Melbourne because the only race for him to day was the CS Orr Stakes and the stable already had Mt Brightside running in that. [NZ bred too]

With regard to the second horse, he's gone by a very different route to get to where he is and I suspect has got under the guard of the pundits, but there again we will just have to wait and see.

Liz 

 

 

[nomates 5,581]

16 minutes ago, Insider said:

Nomates, I simply get sick and tied of New Zealanders putting each other down.

Here to Shock didn't stay in Melbourne because the only race for him to day was the CS Orr Stakes and the stable already had Mt Brightside running in that. [NZ bred too]

With regard to the second horse, he's gone by a very different route to get to where he is and I suspect has got under the guard of the pundits, but there again we will just have to wait and see.

Liz 

 

 

Well I'm sorry but I don't where you took out of my post that I was putting New Zealanders down . 

Now maybe I'm naive but going on exposed form I didn't see that result today , and certainly not as comprehensively . I actually just expressed my surprise that maybe our standard isn't even where I thought it was . My post was about what the future may hold because of that . As you would have seen I regularly post on wanting the powers to start finding solutions before we fall even further .

You know my posts stand up for the industry and the way it's being managed , I don't do rose tinted glasses and I'm certainly not into tall poppy slashing . There is stacks of information I could share on this forum but don't and I can assure you many would be surprised at some of it , but it wouldn't achieve anything .

Now the winner may well be a better horse than a G3 horse but from what I have seen not so far , that's all I can go on and he may well go on and step up further , I didn't knock him for winning , that is something I don't do , I know how tough even a mdn is to win .

I stand by what I said , if you or anyone else didn't see a worrying result today that's fine , but I am allowed to express my opinion , and your allowed to express yours but you made it personal .

[Maximus 818]

Yes,  ow that the Aussie owners/trainer shave clicked into the easy pickings of our boosted stakes, they'' come a'raiding more often ..and we'll grizzle about it all day long/f. Despite the fact that we've been raiding their goodies store for decades. LOL

 

[We're Doomed 6,019]

Well Here To Shock is now a Group 1 winner and the 3yo is now Group 1 placed.

[stodge 2,550]

Finally had a chance to review the Te Rapa races from yesterday.

LEICA LUCY is very good - she got Mr Grylls out of a world of trouble when boxed in off the home turn but she has what so many horses don’t have - a turn of foot - and that got her home. Not sure what the plans are but she’s an exciting prospect both as a racehorse now and as a broodmare one day.

EL VENCEDOR bossed the Herbie Dyke comprehensively reversing Zabeel Classic form with LA CRIQUE. Did the slightly better ground help? My recollection of the Zabeel is he didn’t have much fun up front but here he controlled the race and was always going well. I’m not sure what Kevin Stott was doing on LADIES MAN - shuffled back to last and an impossible task off the home turn.

TUXEDO and BOURBON PROOF dominated the Waikato Guineas field and anyone who had the Quinella could form an orderly queue 200m from home. The winner backed up from a fine effort behind DAMASK ROSE and must have big claims in the Derby and while the second will no doubt take his chance but I can’t see the form being reversed on this evidence.

A 1-2 for Australia in the Sprint - now you know what’s it like when the Irish or French do it to us. The winner is rated 108 and while I don’t know where he sits in the Australian sprinting hierarchy,  he was too good for the locals. Apparently there are spring targets in Melbourne and Sydney - aren’t there always? The second may be the more interesting long term prospect - BOSUSTOW is by Blue Point but there’s plenty of stamina there and I just wonder if a mile might be the next option.

As for the last - chaotic. I’ve never seen a horse scratched in the UK despite running the whole race. I don’t know what happened at the start - IF there was a stalls malfunction, the race should be voided otherwise it’s bad luck if your horse missed the start. DECEMBER ran a huge race and would have won on level terms - he’ll be short enough next time.

[racingoutsider 391]

1 hour ago, stodge said:

Finally had a chance to review the Te Rapa races from yesterday.

LEICA LUCY is very good - she got Mr Grylls out of a world of trouble when boxed in off the home turn but she has what so many horses don’t have - a turn of foot - and that got her home. Not sure what the plans are but she’s an exciting prospect both as a racehorse now and as a broodmare one day.

EL VENCEDOR bossed the Herbie Dyke comprehensively reversing Zabeel Classic form with LA CRIQUE. Did the slightly better ground help? My recollection of the Zabeel is he didn’t have much fun up front but here he controlled the race and was always going well. I’m not sure what Kevin Stott was doing on LADIES MAN - shuffled back to last and an impossible task off the home turn.

TUXEDO and BOURBON PROOF dominated the Waikato Guineas field and anyone who had the Quinella could form an orderly queue 200m from home. The winner backed up from a fine effort behind DAMASK ROSE and must have big claims in the Derby and while the second will no doubt take his chance but I can’t see the form being reversed on this evidence.

A 1-2 for Australia in the Sprint - now you know what’s it like when the Irish or French do it to us. The winner is rated 108 and while I don’t know where he sits in the Australian sprinting hierarchy,  he was too good for the locals. Apparently there are spring targets in Melbourne and Sydney - aren’t there always? The second may be the more interesting long term prospect - BOSUSTOW is by Blue Point but there’s plenty of stamina there and I just wonder if a mile might be the next option.

As for the last - chaotic. I’ve never seen a horse scratched in the UK despite running the whole race. I don’t know what happened at the start - IF there was a stalls malfunction, the race should be voided otherwise it’s bad luck if your horse missed the start. DECEMBER ran a huge race and would have won on level terms - he’ll be short enough next time.

I agree. Should have been called a no race. What a fiasco. These gate malfunctions are too common here now.

[arjay 482]

Sending Harlech down south a masterstroke, almost as good as the aussie raiders coming over. Savaglee went very well I thought, was surprised to see him in the field.

[Ohokaman 6,489]

For interest, one bet today at Otaki…UNSCRIPTED.

[Ohokaman 6,489]

Nice card at Te Aroha today..

R1 Schmooze should win. Miss Manzor

R2 Eva Magical - Zappone

R3 Cashla Bay - Steezy

R4 Cast of Diamonds - Dancing in the dark

R5 Capt Stan - Daring Dame - Skiddlydoo

R6 Chinook - My Sharona - Radrada

R7 Bertie Wooster - Morning Cocoa

R8 Annabelle - Annie Oakley

R9 Phantom Dragon - Cupids Arrow