Phillipe 81 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/horowhenua-chronicle/news/senior-new-zealand-horse-trainer-gary-vile-told-to-vacate-stables/6IXTHN54MWGEENV5QML55HF2SI/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hufkissen 65 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 It is behind a paywall. Cannot read the article. crustyngrizzly, Patiti and Hall 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 Gary Vile, who had a distinguished training career spanning almost 40 years, was last Friday given notice that he had 10 days to vacate a racecourse barn he had occupied since it was purpose-built for him in 2008. He was first given non-renewal notice of lease in February. The 64-year-old says he has tried to engage in mediation with landlord RACE. The sport's governing body New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing said it had engaged with RACE in an unsuccessful attempt to seek mediation for a resolution. RACE is the trading name for Racing at Awapuni and Trentham Combined Enterprise Incorporated, an umbrella corporate entity for the Awapuni Partnership of Racing Clubs. RACE told the Horowhenua Chronicle the situation was simply a non-renewal of lease, and would not comment further. Vile said the situation was developing into a welfare issue for the 24 horses as he had yet to make alternative stabling arrangements. He said he was gobsmacked when first given non-renewal notice of lease in February. He said he had initially avoided publicity on the issue in anticipation of a resolution. "I've kept it quiet for the betterment of racing. It's the game I love. But there's no point now in holding back," Vile said. RACE originally built a $320,000 barn to house 30 horses in 2008 specifically with Vile's tenure in mind. He said he was at the forefront of its design. Vile said he had never signed a lease agreement with RACE. "I thought they'd carry me out of here one day in a pine box," he said. "I thought I was part of the furniture... this has come as a real shock. It's been a horrible experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone." Vile said the ordeal was taking its toll on his health. He was at a loss at how to explain the situation to his clients and owners. "It's very stressful. I live for my horses. I worry about my horses. Will I lose business over this? I probably will," he said. "You try and support racing and get people involved... this is the crazy thing. Every time I race a horse I am supporting New Zealand racing. I'm paying ACC and employing staff." As a tenant he had paid about $2600 a month in rent to RACE since 2008, monthly track fees that were currently set at $139 per horse, and rented a horse walker at more than $400 a month. Vile said it has not been fully explained to him why RACE was choosing not to renew his lease. He said whatever issue RACE had could be resolved through mediation. "I honestly thought... this would all be sorted out through mediation," he said. He said there was no question of misconduct or criminal wrongdoing. RACE chief executive Tim Saville said it did not have to give justification for not renewing a lease. "We have not terminated the lease. It has expired and hasn't been renewed," he said. "We are entitled to do what we have done." The issue has prompted Ōhau horseman Peter McKenzie to come out in support of Vile. "What do they expect him to do? What do they think will happen here?" he said. "From a welfare point of view, how could you seriously explain a decision to expel one of their best clients and refuse point-blank to talk with him?" He said in his opinion it was "absolute nonsense". McKenzie had encouraged the NZ Trainers Association to flex some muscle on the issue. The association sent an email to RACE through its executive Wendy Cooper that said it was "of the strongest view" that the issue should go to arbitration. The email, seen by the Horowhenua Chronicle, said Vile had the full support of the association. Although a lease was never signed, there had been 14 years of receipt of lease, which would indicate an intent for a long-held lease agreement. It also noted Vile was not found to be in breach of any rules of racing. McKenzie said terms of the lease were being applied to terminate the lease, yet a lease agreement was never finished or signed. "It has terms that state it is an annual lease, as well, it has two further dates of termination and a monthly term," he said. "The original intention of the parties, RACE and Gary Vile, was clearly to provide a racing barn for the long-term occupation of Gary Vile. "Where do they expect Gary Vile to go with his horses?" He said the industry could ill-afford to lose trainers like Vile. He said the sport's governing body New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing (NZTR), which has relied on Government support, must intervene and be seen to support a long-time participant. NZTR had a moral obligation to support Vile's wellbeing and the wellbeing of his animals, he said. "Gary Vile does not deserve this," he said. In an email to McKenzie, NZTR chief executive Bruce Sharrock said RACE was entitled at any time to exclude anyone from what was private property. "NZTR has engaged with RACE in an attempt to seek mediation for a resolution... they have declined, which is their right," Sharrock said. "It is in my view that NZTR is not the body to mediate disputes, beyond what it has to date, between industry participants, as these are clearly private commercial matters between parties. "Correspondence between us on this subject is otherwise closed." Vile said he supported Awapuni by racing horses there whenever possible, and 191 of his 562 career winners had come on his home course, including four Manawatū Cups. The only major local race to elude him was the Sires Produce Stakes. He first began training horses in Taranaki in his early 20s, moving to Awapuni 25 years ago. He said he couldn't imagine doing anything else. Meanwhile, with the 10-day notice due to expire on Monday, he said he had no Plan B yet. We're Doomed and Gruff 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hufkissen 65 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 Thanks for posting this. Insider and We're Doomed 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 Disgraceful.Both Vile and Sharrock ex Taranaki men. Where's the loyality in this surely RACE must provide a reason and or mediation. Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 What do they expect him to do???No wonder the industry is dying...what a joke...hope he can get it sorted out...he is a good decent guy. fermoy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 there are a number of logical questions one can ask... in order to breakdown what is going on with whats motivating RACE the simplest of logical statements that would seem to be true... is that RACE isnt planning to renew a standing lease!! the next logical question becomes... does RACE want to lease out its Barn... the direction of RACE becomes alot clearer when this is known.... at which point you can see how all other matters are a consequence of the first logical question being answered!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, 6xes said: there are a number of logical questions one can ask... in order to breakdown what is going on with whats motivating RACE the simplest of logical statements that would seem to be true... is that RACE isnt planning to renew a standing lease!! the next logical question becomes... does RACE want to lease out its Barn... the direction of RACE becomes a lot clearer when this is known.... at which point you can see how all other matters are a consequence of the first logical question being answered!! Decent analysis - hard to see a queue of trainers wanting extra boxes in the current environment ? And if there were presumably a landlord would negotiate with the existing tenant and saying there is demand - the price is going up etc etc and have a commercial negotiation. The fact they aren't doing that leads you to conclude that either there has been some bust up in the background here, or they want to do something else with the land ?? Can anyone comment on whether or not the area where these stables are could be subdivided off the racecourse ?? Pam Robson, dock leaf and 6xes 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 A fall out is usually money associated. If Gary Vile is fully paid up to date then this is a bad look by RACE. If Gary Vile is not fully paid up to date then their position becomes a litte easier to understand. But yet another nail in the NZ racing coffin. The All weather track in Central Districts will not be getting too much use.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 My god, that Sharrock sounds like an arrogant bastard. One can only presume they intend to sell off the land for housing to help fund the AWT. If I was a local trainer I would suggest boycotting the opening of the AWT. The best approach would be to accept for the races on opening day and then scratch everything on race morning. Show a bit of trainer power. Manawatu used to be a highly regarded club. I doubt this would have happened in the days of Bennet as President and Freeman as secretary. Tauhei Notts, Insider and Huey 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6xes 699 Report post Posted May 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: My god, that Sharrock sounds like an arrogant bastard. One can only presume they intend to sell off the land for housing to help fund the AWT. If I was a local trainer I would suggest boycotting the opening of the AWT. The best approach would be to accept for the races on opening day and then scratch everything on race morning. Show a bit of trainer power. Manawatu used to be a highly regarded club. I doubt this would have happened in the days of Bennet as President and Freeman as secretary. in my view there are no good guys or bad guys in all this.... only business decisions!! but heck what would i know *shrugs JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 1 hour ago, 6xes said: in my view there are no good guys or bad guys in all this.... only business decisions!! but heck what would i know *shrugs True…… Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,519 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 Racing have to stop giving themselves uppercuts, for an industry with poor public acceptance they just add fuel to the burning fire on a regular basis Crazy stuff We're Doomed, ADM, Baz (NZ) and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcaviar56 48 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 If this happens and I hope it doesn't for Gary's sake as he's done a lot to keep CD racing going and surely there is no trainer in NZ wanting to lease 30 boxes at Awapuni in the current racing climate. As previously also mentioned why are they even bothering constructing an AWT who's going to be left to use it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,883 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, blackcaviar56 said: surely there is no trainer in NZ wanting to lease 30 boxes at Awapuni in the current racing climate. It’s only the grapevine but there is a trainer all lined up to take over the boxes as soon as they are vacated. His surname is the same as that of a winning Melbourne Cup jockey of a number of years ago. So as not to implicate a leading trainer from Cambridge (and Riccarton) the Melbourne Cup Jockey’s surname name IS NOT Marsh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcaviar56 48 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 Enuff said I was trying to think of who would take it on and I had completely forgotten about that person Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Clydesdale 229 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 Surely this subject has to go to the tenancy tribunal. The nature of whether it is horses or people changes nothing in relation to how a lease is applied. I would has at a guess there are more personal challenges involved here, again which could be resolved legally through a tenancy tribunal as it is a commercial tenancy. Years of acceptance is an informal contract, and clearly Mr Vile needs some good legal advice. Breeder, Baz (NZ) and Huey 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 There are two sides to every story...I think we need to remember that.maybe RACE would not have done this without very good reason...I feel sorry for Gary but as I say there is two sides to everything. Pam Robson, JJ Flash and fermoy 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted May 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Insider said: It’s only the grapevine but there is a trainer all lined up to take over the boxes as soon as they are vacated. His surname is the same as that of a winning Melbourne Cup jockey of a number of years ago. So as not to implicate a leading trainer from Cambridge (and Riccarton) the Melbourne Cup Jockey’s surname name IS NOT Marsh That is not correct...I know this 100% its a rumour and unfortunately this industry seems to thrive on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gee 409 Report post Posted May 21, 2022 viles known for a long time this day was coming ( he has only got himself to blame ) JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted May 26, 2022 I have heard that Gary Vile has been given a stay of execution. Can anyone confirm that this is the case? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,460 Report post Posted May 28, 2022 On 5/19/2022 at 4:53 AM, Phillipe said: Gary Vile, who had a distinguished training career spanning almost 40 years, was last Friday given notice that he had 10 days to vacate a racecourse barn he had occupied since it was purpose-built for him in 2008. He was first given non-renewal notice of lease in February. The 64-year-old says he has tried to engage in mediation with landlord RACE. The sport's governing body New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing said it had engaged with RACE in an unsuccessful attempt to seek mediation for a resolution. RACE is the trading name for Racing at Awapuni and Trentham Combined Enterprise Incorporated, an umbrella corporate entity for the Awapuni Partnership of Racing Clubs. RACE told the Horowhenua Chronicle the situation was simply a non-renewal of lease, and would not comment further. Vile said the situation was developing into a welfare issue for the 24 horses as he had yet to make alternative stabling arrangements. He said he was gobsmacked when first given non-renewal notice of lease in February. He said he had initially avoided publicity on the issue in anticipation of a resolution. "I've kept it quiet for the betterment of racing. It's the game I love. But there's no point now in holding back," Vile said. RACE originally built a $320,000 barn to house 30 horses in 2008 specifically with Vile's tenure in mind. He said he was at the forefront of its design. Vile said he had never signed a lease agreement with RACE. "I thought they'd carry me out of here one day in a pine box," he said. "I thought I was part of the furniture... this has come as a real shock. It's been a horrible experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone." Vile said the ordeal was taking its toll on his health. He was at a loss at how to explain the situation to his clients and owners. "It's very stressful. I live for my horses. I worry about my horses. Will I lose business over this? I probably will," he said. "You try and support racing and get people involved... this is the crazy thing. Every time I race a horse I am supporting New Zealand racing. I'm paying ACC and employing staff." As a tenant he had paid about $2600 a month in rent to RACE since 2008, monthly track fees that were currently set at $139 per horse, and rented a horse walker at more than $400 a month. Vile said it has not been fully explained to him why RACE was choosing not to renew his lease. He said whatever issue RACE had could be resolved through mediation. "I honestly thought... this would all be sorted out through mediation," he said. He said there was no question of misconduct or criminal wrongdoing. RACE chief executive Tim Saville said it did not have to give justification for not renewing a lease. "We have not terminated the lease. It has expired and hasn't been renewed," he said. "We are entitled to do what we have done." The issue has prompted Ōhau horseman Peter McKenzie to come out in support of Vile. "What do they expect him to do? What do they think will happen here?" he said. "From a welfare point of view, how could you seriously explain a decision to expel one of their best clients and refuse point-blank to talk with him?" He said in his opinion it was "absolute nonsense". McKenzie had encouraged the NZ Trainers Association to flex some muscle on the issue. The association sent an email to RACE through its executive Wendy Cooper that said it was "of the strongest view" that the issue should go to arbitration. The email, seen by the Horowhenua Chronicle, said Vile had the full support of the association. Although a lease was never signed, there had been 14 years of receipt of lease, which would indicate an intent for a long-held lease agreement. It also noted Vile was not found to be in breach of any rules of racing. McKenzie said terms of the lease were being applied to terminate the lease, yet a lease agreement was never finished or signed. "It has terms that state it is an annual lease, as well, it has two further dates of termination and a monthly term," he said. "The original intention of the parties, RACE and Gary Vile, was clearly to provide a racing barn for the long-term occupation of Gary Vile. "Where do they expect Gary Vile to go with his horses?" He said the industry could ill-afford to lose trainers like Vile. He said the sport's governing body New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing (NZTR), which has relied on Government support, must intervene and be seen to support a long-time participant. NZTR had a moral obligation to support Vile's wellbeing and the wellbeing of his animals, he said. "Gary Vile does not deserve this," he said. In an email to McKenzie, NZTR chief executive Bruce Sharrock said RACE was entitled at any time to exclude anyone from what was private property. "NZTR has engaged with RACE in an attempt to seek mediation for a resolution... they have declined, which is their right," Sharrock said. "It is in my view that NZTR is not the body to mediate disputes, beyond what it has to date, between industry participants, as these are clearly private commercial matters between parties. "Correspondence between us on this subject is otherwise closed." Vile said he supported Awapuni by racing horses there whenever possible, and 191 of his 562 career winners had come on his home course, including four Manawatū Cups. The only major local race to elude him was the Sires Produce Stakes. He first began training horses in Taranaki in his early 20s, moving to Awapuni 25 years ago. He said he couldn't imagine doing anything else. Meanwhile, with the 10-day notice due to expire on Monday, he said he had no Plan B yet. Jimmy Saville? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...