mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 I used to have accounts in NSW on NZ races with the forlorn hope of getting a better divi but all the markets all seemed to synchronised to pay about the same prices for many years now BetFair never seemed to reach critical mass for nz Gallops - a shame Todays Midweek meeting at Hawera - The Winner of R1 pays $3 The winner of R2 also a MDN pays $2 with a 2nd $2 priced horse on a field of 9 Runners - R3 R65 1200 - Wait for it the Winner pays .......$2.60 Who could've believed such wondrous divis were possible - punters are really living the dream Many unknowns and risk in these races and assuming you hit on the winner it pays FA. Certainly not enuf to overcome the risk Most markets on offer by the TAB makes races UNPLAYABLE- and yet they want more people to get into racing and Punt !!!!! Why does anyone even bother anymore - where say a decade ago you would be getting more like $10 for midweek mdn winner So I understand there is about a 20pct take out in the win pool. So for every dollar you bet only 80cents goes into the pool Secondly - the markets are framed to at least 120pct so the TAB takes another 20pct here - So thats nearly 40pct removed already Assuming you have the skill to pick the winner Any alternative bookies ? apart from the only sensible option - just find another sport or organise your own pools with the chinese 50 win no. 1 and Aaron Bidlake 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 47 minutes ago, mulebacker said: So I understand there is about a 20pct take out in the win pool. So for every dollar you bet only 80cents goes into the pool Secondly - the markets are framed to at least 120pct so the TAB takes another 20pct here - So thats nearly 40pct removed already Assuming you have the skill to pick the winner This is not correct. Fixed odds markets are framed at a percentage, TAB can be as high as 135% in early markets and work its way down to 115% before the off. However they can still have a losing race, if their take on each horse is not inproportion, and it never wlll be. Tote markets have a % take out. Both operate separately, so you don't add one to the other. I am a massive advocate of the world tote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 Thanks for that - Tho if I do the math on the totaliser closing divs I also calculate a 120pct framing Is there a world tote ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 Hawera 27/4/22 - Wed Midweek Results: The winning Divs for all the Lucky punters R1 $3.40 R2 $2.20 R3 $2.20 R4 $3.70 R5 $2.70 R6 $3.90 R7 -$2.50 - and 15 runners So there it is punters - Just back Favs throw your analyses out. Tho you will still lose backing favs for sure The smart choice just walk away form the TAB - give up any illusion that you might find some value in the 80 runners today There is no Value anymore and this is a midweek at the Major Metropolitan track of Hawera What an absolute JOKE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneMcAlister 1,420 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 WORLD POOL EXPLAINED World Pool is a collaboration between the Hong Kong Jockey Club, TDCO Limited and Tpoolco Limited (together trading as “Tote”) and Ascot Racecourse. It enables racegoers to bet into a global pool consisting of over 20 countries, resulting in significantly bigger pools and increasing the total amount that can be won. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis3 1,222 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, mulebacker said: I used to have accounts in NSW on NZ races with the forlorn hope of getting a better divi but all the markets all seemed to synchronised to pay about the same prices for many years now BetFair never seemed to reach critical mass for nz Gallops - a shame Todays Midweek meeting at Hawera - The Winner of R1 pays $3 The winner of R2 also a MDN pays $2 with a 2nd $2 priced horse on a field of 9 Runners - R3 R65 1200 - Wait for it the Winner pays .......$2.60 Who could've believed such wondrous divis were possible - punters are really living the dream Many unknowns and risk in these races and assuming you hit on the winner it pays FA. Certainly not enuf to overcome the risk Most markets on offer by the TAB makes races UNPLAYABLE- and yet they want more people to get into racing and Punt !!!!! Why does anyone even bother anymore - where say a decade ago you would be getting more like $10 for midweek mdn winner So I understand there is about a 20pct take out in the win pool. So for every dollar you bet only 80cents goes into the pool Secondly - the markets are framed to at least 120pct so the TAB takes another 20pct here - So thats nearly 40pct removed already Assuming you have the skill to pick the winner Any alternative bookies ? apart from the only sensible option - just find another sport or organise your own pools with the chinese Did you see race 2 at Awapuni on Sunday. $2 fav drew one. Jumped last Got further back. Came ten wide finished 2 lengths last. Hard act to watch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjw 58 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, mulebacker said: Hawera 27/4/22 - Wed Midweek Results: The winning Divs for all the Lucky punters R1 $3.40 R2 $2.20 R3 $2.20 R4 $3.70 R5 $2.70 R6 $3.90 R7 -$2.50 - and 15 runners So there it is punters - Just back Favs throw your analyses out. Tho you will still lose backing favs for sure The smart choice just walk away form the TAB - give up any illusion that you might find some value in the 80 runners today There is no Value anymore and this is a midweek at the Major Metropolitan track of Hawera What an absolute JOKE I don't think you get it. Leggy, Insider, JJ Flash and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 1 hour ago, cjw said: I don't think you get it. Yep, certainly doesnt get it, we can only hope a punter like this keeps playing the game, makes it so much easier for the rest of us to get a collect. JJ Flash and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 I dont bet on horses at these prices that win by a neck or half a length - In fact I hardly bet on anything these days at the prices on offer At $2 you want to be winning by several lengths - but there was only 1 like that today Anyway Keep backing your $2 winners - Its not for me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, mulebacker said: Hawera 27/4/22 - Wed Midweek Results: The winning Divs for all the Lucky punters R1 $3.40 R2 $2.20 R3 $2.20 R4 $3.70 R5 $2.70 R6 $3.90 R7 -$2.50 - and 15 runners So there it is punters - Just back Favs throw your analyses out. Tho you will still lose backing favs for sure The smart choice just walk away form the TAB - give up any illusion that you might find some value in the 80 runners today There is no Value anymore and this is a midweek at the Major Metropolitan track of Hawera What an absolute JOKE Hawera is a major metropolitan track? And how did you assess that none of the 80 runners represented any betting value? barryb and JJ Flash 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 33 minutes ago, mulebacker said: I dont bet on horses at these prices that win by a neck or half a length - In fact I hardly bet on anything these days at the prices on offer At $2 you want to be winning by several lengths - but there was only 1 like that today Anyway Keep backing your $2 winners - Its not for me At $2 if it wins by a nostril the payout is still $2 as it is if it wins by 4 lengths. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 447 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 Well a day of favorites at Hawera and your not happy, well try Timaru tomorrow, in particular races 9 and 10. Gee you could get odds around Short Stuff in the third, might be an omen. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 Hawera a major track is sarcasm - On a premier day in big races $2 Favs are not unusual and the horses form is more reliable not so in timbuktoo - In these races there are many unknowns - . So you will risk money in a close finish on a horse paying $2 - Not for me. I bet on 2 horsese at Hawera paying aournd $12 and $20 today - Neither was in the money.- Bruno Magile was one - based on sectionals and watching his videos and I thought he could handle the bias and going What do you base your analysis on -to end up backing Favourite after Favourite The game is totally diffeent from 10 years ago re the DIvis - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 27, 2022 ANd what do base your picks on ? Short Stuff - what is your reasoning My last decent punt at Phar Lapp was on the William Wallace - who dorked them by 4 L at $25 - that is the sort of value I look for tho it is extremely rare these days Memphis3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted April 28, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 4:17 PM, shaneMcAlister said: WORLD POOL EXPLAINED World Pool is a collaboration between the Hong Kong Jockey Club, TDCO Limited and Tpoolco Limited (together trading as “Tote”) and Ascot Racecourse. It enables racegoers to bet into a global pool consisting of over 20 countries, resulting in significantly bigger pools and increasing the total amount that can be won. Are you seriously in support of the Chinese government controlling pools betting around the World? All that data and info....owning all the data in respect of the individuals and their accounts? It's a long play to control the play. Don't get sucked in. There are other alternatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 29, 2022 I didnt mean the Corrupt Chinese government I meant all the Chinese in NZ who love gambling and are very superstitious and blow heaps of money on the tote -. They would be great to organise private betting pools with with much better odds than the current state monopoly of the TAB and all the neptotism that goes on in Petone. The Chinese here are probably running their own betting pools anyway Imagine the communists have now got their hands on Happy valley - what was once a incredibley clean operation for HK will now be as bent as the Beijing sharemarket or the London Metals Exchange for that matter which they now control Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastnetRockstar 24 Report post Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) Just rubbish, some can only pick winners after the race hahaha Edited April 29, 2022 by FastnetRockstar mistake Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FastnetRockstar 24 Report post Posted April 29, 2022 HA HA HA I can pick winners after the race, champion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis3 1,222 Report post Posted April 29, 2022 10 hours ago, FastnetRockstar said: HA HA HA I can pick winners after the race, champion. But how do you get them onto a betting slip after the race . Please let me know before 12.17 pm today Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,062 Report post Posted April 29, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 9:06 PM, mulebacker said: Hawera a major track is sarcasm - On a premier day in big races $2 Favs are not unusual and the horses form is more reliable not so in timbuktoo - In these races there are many unknowns - . So you will risk money in a close finish on a horse paying $2 - Not for me. I bet on 2 horsese at Hawera paying aournd $12 and $20 today - Neither was in the money.- Bruno Magile was one - based on sectionals and watching his videos and I thought he could handle the bias and going What do you base your analysis on -to end up backing Favourite after Favourite The game is totally diffeent from 10 years ago re the DIvis - It’s called the internet, same thing you are using to post nonsense here. Punters are more educated than they were 10 yrs ago, have much greater and easier access to information, standout opportunities at longer odds are spotted in greater numbers. Look across the Tasman where the punter is way more intelligent than NZers, favs salute in bigger numbers than here. Besides you are looking at 1 meeting in isolation, a venue that has one of the worst bias in NZ. Aaron Bidlake 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 30, 2022 19 hours ago, mulebacker said: Good exacta, you would still have got more on the quinella though. It paid $112 and for $6 you could have taken $2 units. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 30, 2022 On 4/27/2022 at 4:16 PM, mulebacker said: Hawera 27/4/22 - Wed Midweek Results: The winning Divs for all the Lucky punters R1 $3.40 R2 $2.20 R3 $2.20 R4 $3.70 R5 $2.70 R6 $3.90 R7 -$2.50 - and 15 runners So there it is punters - Just back Favs throw your analyses out. Tho you will still lose backing favs for sure The smart choice just walk away form the TAB - give up any illusion that you might find some value in the 80 runners today There is no Value anymore and this is a midweek at the Major Metropolitan track of Hawera What an absolute JOKE I can see you don't back on the trots mule. Those would have been considered massive dividends at Alex Park. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulebacker 43 Report post Posted April 30, 2022 Yes doing a Box Exacta defeats the purpose as it is a QLA . So yeah and in this case it pays better - At least the Exacta is a fixed price which I like Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...