MissJools 465 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 There are only 6 entries in this weekend's Group 1 Te Aroha Breeders Stakes, being raced at Te Rapa. And, they are: : Coventina Bay, Two Illicit, Imperatriz, Mai Tai, Dragon Queen, One Dream One Soul. Entries have been left open. Where have our Group 1 Mares gone? Will be interesting if this race can keep it's Group 1 status in 2023. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,539 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 Only small field last Friday for the 80k mares race, 6 starters from memory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 I did notice that myself. If all group races were assessed based on this year's fields we would hardly have a group one race next year. It is obvious that the problem isn't solely stakes. The stake is perfectly ok for this race. I notice a rating 74 for $50,000 at HB with only 8 noms, some of them multiple nominators. Bit of a bugger for this industry's esteemed leaders. They thought, sell off half the tracks, build some AWTs and increase stakes and everything would come right. Turns out that wasn't really the problem at all. Not sure if they have a plan B. Tauhei Notts and Patiti 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 759 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 Maybe not solely stakes but the problem is it is only one race for f&m for that money, where in Aus the girls can run for that week in week out and not having to run against the best there is going around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 I don't think I'd have any more or less in work whether or not stakes were double or half what they are now. Better regularly consistent track surfaces, a proper handicapping system and much better programming might make a difference though. Pam Robson, dock leaf, Aaron Bidlake and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, Leggy said: I don't think I'd have any more or less in work whether or not stakes were double or half what they are now. Better regularly consistent track surfaces, a proper handicapping system and much better programming might make a difference though. I don't think NZTR has anyone capable of organising programming. All they want to do is close down tracks, get rid of small trainers and discourage anyone from showing any innovation. On the brighter side though (I sometimes try to be positive) this weekend sees Southland's only 2yo race of the season. They have already had their two 3yo races for the season. Exciting times, who says there isn't a logical pattern to everything. Huey, Pam Robson and Aaron Bidlake 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Sugrue 190 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 Avantage and Melody Belle papered over the cracks for last few seasons dominating our G 1 racing ......take them away.... leaves a large void We're Doomed and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, Roger Sugrue said: Avantage and Melody Belle papered over the cracks for last few seasons dominating our G 1 racing ......take them away.... leaves a large void I agree totally. Without them many of these races would have been ordinary for the last few years. I thought Levante was going for this race. Doesn't appear to have nominated. Perhaps that scared off a few other contenders. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 51 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: I don't think NZTR has anyone capable of organising programming. All they want to do is close down tracks, get rid of small trainers and discourage anyone from showing any innovation. Organising programming? They couldn't organise a root in a brothel. There was an R74 1600 programmed for Otaki on Thursday which was deleted yesterday due to poor nominations. I nearly fell over this morning when I was told they didn't get a single nominations for that race. That's right, zero, zippo, nil, none How could you get the programming that wrong? Pam Robson and Huey 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingshill 230 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 With Aussie buying up promising filles and mares from the trials and off the race track the numbers problem can only get worse having a filly foal from your mare not the end of the world like it once was...... All comes down to the prize money on offer over the ditch Black Kirrama, mckenzie and shaneMcAlister 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,536 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 8 hours ago, Leggy said: Organising programming? They couldn't organise a root in a brothel. There was an R74 1600 programmed for Otaki on Thursday which was deleted yesterday due to poor nominations. I nearly fell over this morning when I was told they didn't get a single nominations for that race. That's right, zero, zippo, nil, none How could you get the programming that wrong? Have faith, L....the AWT at Awapuni will sort out all the problems. Patiti, Aaron Bidlake, We're Doomed and 3 others 2 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,080 Report post Posted April 12, 2022 18 hours ago, MissJools said: Will be interesting if this race can keep it's Group 1 status in 2023. Will be interesting if NZ can programme ANY true Goup 1 races in 2023. Baz (NZ), dock leaf, Pam Robson and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissJools 465 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 15 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I agree totally. Without them many of these races would have been ordinary for the last few years. I thought Levante was going for this race. Doesn't appear to have nominated. Perhaps that scared off a few other contenders. Levante was in the race, but has been scratched due to a minor leg issue. Levante out of Breeders’ Stakes (loveracing.nz) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,762 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 17 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I did notice that myself. If all group races were assessed based on this year's fields we would hardly have a group one race next year. It is obvious that the problem isn't solely stakes. The stake is perfectly ok for this race. I notice a rating 74 for $50,000 at HB with only 8 noms, some of them multiple nominators. Bit of a bugger for this industry's esteemed leaders. They thought, sell off half the tracks, build some AWTs and increase stakes and everything would come right. Turns out that wasn't really the problem at all. Not sure if they have a plan B. Guarantee they don’t WD…… We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 15 hours ago, Leggy said: Organising programming? They couldn't organise a root in a brothel. There was an R74 1600 programmed for Otaki on Thursday which was deleted yesterday due to poor nominations. I nearly fell over this morning when I was told they didn't get a single nominations for that race. That's right, zero, zippo, nil, none How could you get the programming that wrong? Look at the rating 65's one last week at Wanganui one tomorrow at Otaki then one at Woodville next Tuesday.... then no 2000m or more in the CD since the last Trentham meeting...unless you run in a highweight...you are right leggy they would not know the postman was up them until he blew his bloody whistle...its a shambles. Baz (NZ), Leggy, Huey and 2 others 4 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Robson 1,536 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: ... they would not know the postman was up them until he blew his bloody whistle...its a shambles. Haven't heard that saying for years... scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Sugrue 190 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 .........and here's me thinking it was only George Moore who blew the whistle....... Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 But the new RIB / RIU is costing the industry 14 million per annum….surely things are getting better Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mckenzie 600 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 Perhaps they need to look at the programming of this race. Group 2 and 3 races for mares earlier in the season seem to get bigger fields. You used to get a pretty big field of mares trying to get a Group 1 win or placing but not so much the last few years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: But the new RIB / RIU is costing the industry 14 million per annum….surely things are getting better Is it costing the industry? Or, vulnerable communities and taxpayers who are funding it through pokies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Leggy said: Is it costing the industry? Or, vulnerable communities and taxpayers who are funding it through pokies? I imagine if that money wasn't funding the RIU it would be used elsewhere in the industry. Leggy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,007 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: I imagine if that money wasn't funding the RIU it would be used elsewhere in the industry. True. Racing is an authorised purpose including stakes. but if the mayor of Auckland decided to ban pokies in that district it would have a big impact on the damage overall. Not that the huge increases in funding to the RIB seem to have improved the integrity of NZ racing sufficiently to have any impact on improving the perception of the racing product and thus punter confidence and resulting revenue. Midget and Huey 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious 570 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 20 hours ago, scooby3051 said: Look at the rating 65's one last week at Wanganui one tomorrow at Otaki then one at Woodville next Tuesday.... then no 2000m or more in the CD since the last Trentham meeting...unless you run in a highweight...you are right leggy they would not know the postman was up them until he blew his bloody whistle...its a shambles. What should also be of concern in the CD is the number of races recently with less than 8 starters - 4 of 8 today! Too many racedays?? Poor programming?? Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,824 Report post Posted April 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, Contentious said: What should also be of concern in the CD is the number of races recently with less than 8 starters - 4 of 8 today! Too many racedays?? Poor programming?? Yes, the CD appears to have far too many meetings. They have lots of small fields. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious 570 Report post Posted April 14, 2022 The lights are flashing and the bells are ringing - but the train ain't coming! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...