cjw 58 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Leggy said: Pull your head in. 40 years ago Berri probably had more global knowledge and experience of the thoroughbred racing and breeding industries than the entire current Trackside presenting team. It doesn't give him the right to be a jerk. Hasn't everyone had enough of hacking racing participants at the knees? how about making a space which welcomes and encourages people to do more and be better. Hall, JJ Flash and Gruff 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,902 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 Don't need to apologise. Made an observation that most would agree with. So you think these comments dont warrant an apology..... bad accent, talks for the sake of talking and a grating tone to het voice....the young women that talks out of the side of her mouth currently on Trackside Criticising her voice the way she speaks out of her mouth...personally attacking her...and you think this is OK to say these things??? Really.??? Then you have lost me. Memphis3, Hall and elbow 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Leggy said: Pull your head in. 40 years ago Berri probably had more global knowledge and experience of the thoroughbred racing and breeding industries than the entire current Trackside presenting team. Which makes his thread even more baffling...why would a well heeled ,well qualified ,well known participant show such lack of respect to a young , possibly inexperienced employee who was possibly filling in during the current crisis ! Rude ,unjustified , cruel comments with any sort of excuse are still rude , unjustified and cruel comments . Some Berries just turn sour ! Hall, scooby3051, elbow and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 All that has happened is that everyone has got their knickers in a twist because I dared criticize the presenting skills of a Trackside presenter. Have you people not read what I have written in the past about a bunch of male presenters who have suffered my wrath on numerous occasions? I have also progressively ripped apart CEOs, chair people, and bureaucracies that have been running racing. Why do you think Race Cafe was started? No-one had a voice before it started. Why didn't/ haven't any of you pulled me up about those posts in the past? I've been vociferous on many occasions. But here we are after producing years and years of abusive material, in the name of trying to voice concern and create change, being asked to apologise because I dared criticize the presenting skills of yet another mediocre attempt to market our beautiful sport. What's different? What's changed? It's as though the past 2 years of Covid, (where the truth has been supplemented by circumvention of the truth using a different communication paradigm) has bred some sort of social hold the line commentary that has created a watered down version of zombieism. What has got you all going in this instance? Because the presenter was a female? And then I draw a comment that I am a monogamist!!! I don't think I've ever experienced a greater shift in not being able to report the truth for truth's sake. This young person (I'm not allowed to call her a woman) was chosen by Trackside's hierarchy to face the critical eye of an opinionated audience in a very narrow market niche....much like a maidener facing group horses for its first run. The hierarchy should know something about presenting....accent, tone, diction, flection and all of the things you absolutely should be aware of relating to be a professional presenter. If it is for reporting in a specialist market niche audience, then that person better speak the right content in the right context. I don't care what sex, what look, or what race, if these absolutely essential elements are not present in a presenter, then we need to be able to criticize because who else should, would or could do so? Rude? Unjustified? ....or simply factual? If this young person knows a lot about horse racing, then it wasn't presented informatively or obviously. I wouldn't have made comments in respect of it had the alternative been experienced. So let me have another attempt at re-writing the initial thread that has brought the wrath of all of those that seemingly I have offended. It has amazed me. Heaven's above....maybe time to hang up my whips and spurs.... chevy86 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,902 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 No Berri if you had just left it as the presentation was poor and she did not do a good job then that would have been fine but you went after her personally which I think everyone got upset about...just the way I saw it...I agree the whole way the races are presented is a mess...and knowledgable people in the industry should be included more...but it is what it is for now. tasman man 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, scooby3051 said: So does that give him the right to personally criticise the girl...criticise her job by why her personally...I am sure even you would agree thats not right...or maybe not. I thought these fora were a vehicle for opinions and critique. I didn't say I agreed with Berri. I don't watch trackside so wouldn't have the foggiest idea. You have your opinions on various matters too. I don't necessarily agree with some of those either but if I disagree I may say so. I still respect your depth of knowledge and experience in the industry and your right to state that. Running someone down because you disagree with them doesn't really do anything constructive imo. I think the young woman concerned is big enough to take the feedback on board and decide whether or not to do anything about it. Calling her a "girl" is a horrible put down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,902 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Leggy said: I thought these fora were a vehicle for opinions and critique. I didn't say I agreed with Berri. I don't watch trackside so wouldn't have the foggiest idea. You have your opinions on various matters too. I don't necessarily agree with some of those either but if I disagree I may say so. I still respect your depth of knowledge and experience in the industry and your right to state that. Running someone down because you disagree with them doesn't really do anything constructive imo. I think the young woman concerned is big enough to take the feedback on board and decide whether or not to do anything about it. Calling her a "girl" is a horrible put down. Nobody is running anyone down but going after the girl personally is not right...it was not the girl part it was what he said about her even if it was said about a guy its not right...same thing..not right is not right...stop twisting my words just to duck and weave...so I ask you do think it was right for him to go after her personally???Simple question I would of thought. shaneMcAlister, Hall and Baz (NZ) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, Leggy said: I don't watch trackside so wouldn't have the foggiest idea. That admission is classic.....brilliant ! JJ Flash and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 I want Stick McKee as a presenter Is it that hard to get retired industry experts ? Australia is full of them JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted March 14, 2022 9 hours ago, tasman man said: That admission is classic.....brilliant ! Why? I didn't make any comment about trackside. Just supported Berri's credentials and right to comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted March 15, 2022 20 hours ago, Leggy said: Why? I didn't make any comment about trackside. Just supported Berri's credentials and right to comment. I'm a bit nervous answering your question after reading you telling a sensitive poster to pull their head in ! A bit threatening ! WOW ! But seriously ,I am pissing myself at your comment that you don't watch Trackside so wouldn't have the foggiest idea ! Quite an admission from probably the most prolific poster on NZ racing on this site. How do you gather so much info....in academic books and as a small owner/trainer down at trackwork ? You commented that you came home on Saturday after trackwork and saw horses on the tarmac in Pukekohe birdcage.....were you on zoom to see that or have you moved North from what I assume is a CD base ? Then tonight you ask a question re the connection of the TAB and Trackside , the broadcasting arm of the TAB !!!!! Insider and JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Bukowski 411 Report post Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 8:49 PM, poundforpound said: I want Stick McKee as a presenter Is it that hard to get retired industry experts ? Australia is full of them Don't let Steve McKee anywhere near Trackside. A pointless exercise. If he's not in line to chair NZTR , he should be sticking to the radio show.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 3,996 Report post Posted March 15, 2022 Charlie Bukowski if you were put together a racing pub quiz team Stick would be at the top of the list! Charlie Bukowski 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palliser 746 Report post Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 1:14 PM, Midget said: Suggestion..What about Trackside asking Steve McKee to do some work for them.He is well spoken, knows the industry backwards, he has owned horses trained in the SI, so would know the form from there. He was won many racing quiz's, so his racing knowledge is 2nd to no one. Also he could chair a panel of tipsters, who each week give there selections, with the TAB sponsoring the bets and the winner after,say 4 weeks can donate the winnings to a charity of their choice.The following week you could follow it up with bragging rights and bag the other tipsters and the other tipsters can bag jockeys as well ,in a humorous way. They could also give the ride of the week and the shocker of the week from a jockey. The programme could also feature a serious segment where the wows of the industry can be discussed and improved on. Trackside need to come up with fresh ideas that will generate increased turnover and make it compulsory viewing. Steven can only play so much golf and after playing against him,i cannot see any room for improvement. So this may be a real option That makes far too much sense Midget Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palliser 746 Report post Posted March 15, 2022 On 3/14/2022 at 2:38 PM, scooby3051 said: Don't need to apologise. Made an observation that most would agree with. So you think these comments dont warrant an apology..... bad accent, talks for the sake of talking and a grating tone to het voice....the young women that talks out of the side of her mouth currently on Trackside Criticising her voice the way she speaks out of her mouth...personally attacking her...and you think this is OK to say these things??? Really.??? Then you have lost me. She doesn't even talk out of the side of her mouth, I agree Scooby its not on giving her crap because she has a slight impediment with what maybe droopy lip is disgraceful. I have friend who has exactly the same condition and is still clear and concise like Pip generally is Hall, JJ Flash, gubellini and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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