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16 hours ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

It is ironic that the latest consultation paper regarding a new "professional" licensing system has been formulated by members of NZTR when their actions in recent times, including the state in which a race track has been presented today to race on, could not be further from being professional.

NZTR, please start listening to those in the industry who have come from grass roots racing and actually know their stuff.  Stop sending jockeys out as test dummies, when the track today could have been assessed before horses and riders were subjected to danger.  Stop telling us there are too many tracks in New Zealand and some must be sold to fund others.  Forget about synthetic or all weather tracks, what unnecessary and expensive injury causing white elephants they will turn out to be.  I realise the AWT money from Government cannot be used for any other projects in racing.  Do the right thing, reject the whimsical notion of a third AWT in the Manawatu and give the money back.  It will be cheaper in the long run as once all the tracks have been sold to fund the Palmy synthetic where the hell are the funds for ongoing maintenance going to come from?  The money would be better utilised on roading or schools.

We have purpose built turf tracks across New Zealand that have done the job for our country since pre-war days.  They may not have glassed in stands and cushions on the seats but ask any of today's owners if that mattered a toss.  Had owners been allowed oncourse today I think they would have welcomed straw bales and plastic cups.

Interesting comment having purpose built tracks that have done job,  well the roads that were used 100 years ago have been upgraded as they weren't fit for purpose like race tracks have needed to be. Just watched Horlicks win TVNZ Stakes and even the commentator commented on the dust coming off the track during the races they wouldn't be racing on that today. Of note take note of how much irrigation was put on at NP and then they stopped watering two days before Why? Take note of how much irrigation is needed to affect the soil moisture into a track 7-8mm only enough to grow grass as any farmer would tell you

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47 minutes ago, Crow said:

 Of note take note of how much irrigation was put on at NP and then they stopped watering two days before Why? Take note of how much irrigation is needed to affect the soil moisture into a track 7-8mm only enough to grow grass as any farmer would tell you

Exactly. Ridiculous with the trans-evaporation levels in the temperatures they had. Wouldn't do diddly squat. Something odd about the penetrometer readings as well. 2mm of rain overnight Friday night and the track goes from a Dead 4 to a Dead 5? Really?

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Thanks Crow.  I take your point regarding roads needing upgrading because they are no longer fit for purpose.  The volume of vehicles using a road today compared to 100 years ago might be a little different when related to horse volume on a race track over the same period though.  Advantage should be taken of technology and science but, you used a magical word when it comes to track management and maintenance, "farmer".  These sort of tradesmen were often seen in the olden/golden days doubling as course caretakers.

At Trentham, Matamata, Awapuni and New Plymouth the first race at least was run before putting the races off.  Weather is out of human control but, is there a reason the safety of the track surface could not have been sorted before horses and riders were put at risk in a race situation?

Affecting the soil moisture is an interesting one.  Irrigating now seems to be considered a necessary safety measure to have a certain amount of water in the soil, rather than irrigation being used as a tool to grow the grass.  You mentioned Horlicks kicking up dust on a non-watered track in the hey days of those purpose built tracks that brought out the crowds and good horses.  What fabulous memories of all of those top flight O'Sullivan horses along with those trained by Jim Gibbs and Noel Eales etc!!  No need to remind anyone of Noel's opinion on the watering of tracks in summer.

One thought.  I wonder how many horses broke down running on firm summer tracks compared to those racing and working on AWT's?

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1 minute ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

At Trentham, Matamata, Awapuni and New Plymouth the first race at least was run before putting the races off.  Weather is out of human control but, is there a reason the safety of the track surface could not have been sorted before horses and riders were put at risk in a race situation?

It's a travesty of major proportion. Where are the SPCA and animal rights people on this, let alone the workplace health and safety folk?

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Another Raceday abandoned due to weather..

Another round of whiners on here, blaming somebody for not doing something..

one day we will find "somebody"

Remember when International rugby was played in either swimming pools or mud pools??

"somebody" figured it out and fixed it.. 

Now go find Somebody, we need him and stop moaning.

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Good morning,

 

 

 

The Tauherenikau track was inspected this morning at around 10am by the RIB and Club representatives. The track had received approximately 50mm of rain through to Sunday morning with more significant rain to come during Sunday. There is currently some surface water on the track and inconsistencies with the surface. In the interests of safety the decision has been made to not run this race-meeting tomorrow. Further information will follow.

 

 

Allan Pollitt

 

Bureau Team Leader

 

New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing

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35 minutes ago, Phillipe said:

Another Raceday abandoned due to weather..

Another round of whiners on here, blaming somebody for not doing something..

one day we will find "somebody"

Remember when International rugby was played in either swimming pools or mud pools??

"somebody" figured it out and fixed it.. 

Now go find Somebody, we need him and stop moaning.

NO everyone in the industry needs to stand up as ONE hold the fat cats to account for the shambles that racing has become...its an absolute joke and until we ALL stick together and say NO MORE then we will all continue to get shafted while the so called experts keep pulling in their six figure salaries week after week.Its the industries fault its now like this because we all laid down and let them walk all over us.JMO

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turned trackside off after taranaki called off and wingatui previews cut short trackide need to now they are employed in nz for nz racing

They wont have job soon as just be live racing no previews all done by australia trackside be back to lockdown days wher they wernt needed

Prerace nz coverage keeps owners informed can see their horse bet on there horse keeps turnover up which results in more stakemoney

TRACKSIDE SUCKED ON SATURDAY WE HAD GROUP RACING AT WINGATUI WHICH NEEDED FULL COVERGE

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You will never get "everyone" to stand together... ever. So stop dreaming...

Start by naming the "six figure receivers" (not earners) who you suggest are failing..

The CEO's of the clubs that have been dreadful...

The caretakers of the tracks that are failing...

Nobody wants their name in lights when things go wrong..

 

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Is irrigation being used to make the tracks green and attractive in appearance? It would seem they have a hard pan between 2-4 inches below the top. Irrigation only reaching the top and keeping the green effect. Much like Riccarton had a while back. I feel these racetracks need more attention paid to below the surface.

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Can't wait for the NZR Spindoctors press release which will no doubt transfer blame to the weatherman for underforcasting the weather extremes, but they will remain happy with the track preparations which were relevant to the previous forecasts. We were all caught out on this

 

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Arjay you hit the nail on the head too much irrigation to make a track look green and false look at the parts of the track that are unwatered they might not look pretty but boy i bet they are safer than what we are getting

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4 hours ago, Phillipe said:

Another Raceday abandoned due to weather..

Another round of whiners on here, blaming somebody for not doing something..

one day we will find "somebody"

Remember when International rugby was played in either swimming pools or mud pools??

"somebody" figured it out and fixed it.. 

Now go find Somebody, we need him and stop moaning.

You are right they fixed the sports arenas with sand base pitches with the right drainage and irrigation systems in place that why most of the top class tracks around are built with the same system Stratyar tracks are the equine  equivalent 

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26 minutes ago, Crow said:

You are right they fixed the sports arenas with sand base pitches with the right drainage and irrigation systems in place that why most of the top class tracks around are built with the same system Stratyar tracks are the equine  equivalent 

And they use the right gear, Low pressure irrigation systems with controllable application rates and simple things like high flotation tyres on tractors etc.to mitigate compaction. Complete renovations every 5-8 years.  It is completely hopeless here.

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This is from loveracing.nz: 

The three black-type races that were unable to be run at Taranaki yesterday have been re-scheduled as follows:

  • Taranaki Cup (Group 3 $85,000) – This will replace the Open Hcp at Awapuni on Friday 11 February. Conditions will remain the same as at Taranaki with the exception that it will now be run over 2000m.
  • 2YO (Group 3 $80,000) – This has been added to the Waikato RC programme to be held at Te Rapa on Saturday 12 February.
  • 3YOF (Listed Race $60,000) – This race will be run at Taranaki on Friday 18 February

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44 minutes ago, Bestbetbazza said:

Our horse was to start at Matamata on the 26th Jan. Abandoned. Ok suitable race at New Plymouth. Abandoned. We made the trip to N.P. two nights Accommodation plus usual costs. Just takes the fun out of the game. 

A lot of toy tossing going on!!!

Send them a bill Bazza……about time there was some responsibility taken somewhere…..🙄

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17 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

Send them a bill Bazza……about time there was some responsibility taken somewhere…..🙄

Thought about sending the CJC one when they decided on the Thursday morning before the last Saturday meeting that they'd run a closed meeting. Just wrote off the non- refundable airfares, accommodation and other travel expenses.

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5 hours ago, Leggy said:

Thought about sending the CJC one when they decided on the Thursday morning before the last Saturday meeting that they'd run a closed meeting. Just wrote off the non- refundable airfares, accommodation and other travel expenses.

Why call it CJC? Tim Mills made the call. He obviously cannot work out a way to make things work when Others can.

He is well past his use by date.

 

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2 hours ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

We are racing again at New Plymouth on Friday.  What has been done with the track to ensure a safe racing surface since the races were abandoned 10 days ago?

 

2 hours ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

We are racing again at New Plymouth on Friday.  What has been done with the track to ensure a safe racing surface since the races were abandoned 10 days ago?

Turned off the rain 

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