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KEEGAN UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR FAKE VACCINE PASS

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34 minutes ago, Shad said:

To be fair some of the early vaccines were only one shot, this one started with two, then the promise of a summer, now we are up to round three, some of the earliest starting places are looking at round four, so hard to compare, anyone heard how the flu season is going in the UK, that seemed to be a big concern as well.

Flu pretty low in the UK as you'd expect with covid interventions substantially reducing other respiratory infections. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/06/flu-levels-remain-low-in-uk-despite-spread-of-omicron-data-shows

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15 hours ago, Gruff said:

 than a fellow Countryperson going to the races Susan. 

 

 

That's not the issue though is it . It's a fellow countryperson doing something against the law. Cheating. Deciding they are above the rules. And doing it in an underhand manner.

Yes if she wants to protest against rules/laws that she thinks are wrong - feel free.

But to falsify a document and use it ... nah that doesn't make her just someone going to the races.

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Mandates are NOT law, there's a difference, Mandates are ONLY effective when the mandatory agrees.  People who don't know the difference are being played with words.  See Legal definition Blacks Law dictionary 11th Ed. Mandate (16c) 4.  But then some of us realise NZTR are a law unto themselves

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33 minutes ago, Unbridled said:

Think our PM Cindy family got more problems with the law than what Trudy will ever have at moment.

 

Cindy no longer preferred PM after todays poll. Setting it up for the next election maybe?????

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5 hours ago, chelseacol said:

That's not the issue though is it . It's a fellow countryperson doing something against the law. Cheating. Deciding they are above the rules. And doing it in an underhand manner.

Yes if she wants to protest against rules/laws that she thinks are wrong - feel free.

But to falsify a document and use it ... nah that doesn't make her just someone going to the races.

 

 

Pretty much akin to somebody using their partner's "disabled"exemption certificate to park at the supermarket. Trudy's actions don't harm anybody else. These latest rules purely in place to control the sheep and the dobbers given another avenue to get their jollies.Pretty sad.

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1 hour ago, chevy86 said:

 

 

Pretty much akin to somebody using their partner's "disabled"exemption certificate to park at the supermarket. Trudy's actions don't harm anybody else. These latest rules purely in place to control the sheep and the dobbers given another avenue to get their jollies.Pretty sad.

Rules are the rules...break them and suffer the penalty...its very simple...you speed in a car you get a ticket so why should she not get some sort of penalty...

 

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1 hour ago, chevy86 said:

 

 

Pretty much akin to somebody using their partner's "disabled"exemption certificate to park at the supermarket. Trudy's actions don't harm anybody else. These latest rules purely in place to control the sheep and the dobbers given another avenue to get their jollies.Pretty sad.

Slippery slope there isn't it.

You think it's fine to use the disabled carpark because you can get someone else's certificate. You also think its ok to falsify a document.

Where do you draw a line ?

Ok to falsify a degree ?

Drive without a licence ? 

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1 hour ago, chelseacol said:

Slippery slope there isn't it.

You think it's fine to use the disabled carpark because you can get someone else's certificate. You also think its ok to falsify a document.

Where do you draw a line ?

Ok to falsify a degree ?

Drive without a licence ? 

 

 

Yes, have actually used my late mother's certificate to lessen the traverse of a carpark for my 98 year old disabled father who did not have a pass through a bureaucratic stuffup! (Very common in your Marxist utopia). I was more than qualified to assess his predicament  and display common sense.

So you know a document was falsified--could have just been someone else's "pass".

Am actually driving a vehicle at present with a WOF 3 days overdue .

Call the cops!

Rules and restrictions based on flawed science need to be challenged . Must be a struggle confronting the pervasive level of mischief in the human condition with your level of purity and compliance.

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And just to get some perspective for you puritans. I had a builder working on a house renovation for me during lockdown and he dared to go surfing with some equally competent board riders but the dobbers outed them and a $300 fine ensued.

Yet the obese one with the red hair went in the water and no sanction--go figure.(Could have stepped on a stingray and required medical attention). But no doubt some of you think that is OK because she is one of the coterie who "saved your lives"!😇🤣

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2 hours ago, chevy86 said:

 

Yes, have actually used my late mother's certificate to lessen the traverse of a carpark for my 98 year old disabled father who did not have a pass through a bureaucratic stuffup! (Very common in your Marxist utopia). I was more than qualified to assess his predicament  and display common sense.

So you know a document was falsified--could have just been someone else's "pass".

Am actually driving a vehicle at present with a WOF 3 days overdue .

Call the cops!

Rules and restrictions based on flawed science need to be challenged . Must be a struggle confronting the pervasive level of mischief in the human condition with your level of purity and compliance.

Good luck if you hit someone or vice versa.....you will not be calling the cops but your insurance company....

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55 minutes ago, napier said:

Good luck if you hit someone or vice versa.....you will not be calling the cops but your insurance company....

Fair call.  So you would sit at a Red traffic light that hasn't changed for 10 mins at 3am when you can see  no harm in moving forward 

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1 hour ago, Gruff said:

Fair call.  So you would sit at a Red traffic light that hasn't changed for 10 mins at 3am when you can see  no harm in moving forward 

Gruff...the rules might not be any good...I agree...but rules are rules if you choose to break them knowingly ..as she did...then accept the punishment.....rules are rules...not debating the sanity of those rules but she broke them and was caught..end of story.

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1 minute ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

So, is that like the Telegraph winner where the rider broke the current NZTR rules by over using the whip and duly penalised, yet the horse was not placed behind the second horse where the rider did not break the rules?

Exackery. Spot on hi ho

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2 hours ago, scooby3051 said:

Gruff...the rules might not be any good...I agree...but rules are rules if you choose to break them knowingly ..as she did...then accept the punishment.....rules are rules...not debating the sanity of those rules but she broke them and was caught..end of story.

So it's about time some of these were tested in Court, breaking them may get you there?

On 1/30/2022 at 9:32 PM, Leggy said:

Flu pretty low in the UK as you'd expect with covid interventions substantially reducing other respiratory infections. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/06/flu-levels-remain-low-in-uk-despite-spread-of-omicron-data-shows

So Covid is 'spreading' but not the Flu because of Covid interventions ,yet they are both suppose to be carried by aerosols? Leads us back to how serious the Flu was becoming pre 'Covid' and how ineffective antibiotics were becoming due to resistance,yet our Immune Systems are claimed to be mostly bacterial ....the White Coats are leading us down the Garden path

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5 hours ago, Hi Ho Silver said:

So, is that like the Telegraph winner where the rider broke the current NZTR rules by over using the whip and duly penalised, yet the horse was not placed behind the second horse where the rider did not break the rules?

No she knew that she never had been vaxxed and cheated to cover it up...the whip rule is also a joke if you hit them more than the rule says you should be disqualified make it clean and simple....but Miss Keegan new what she was doing...she knew her pass was fake she was being deceitful and hoping not to get caught breaking the rules.

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There's more holes in Rules and Laws than a sieve.

Hahaha about the ticket/ fine for speeding, you all must know how to get off them, ditto those Red Light camera ones.

Best ever was when someone we know who got off a ticket on a bright sunny day, barely a soul of traffic about and the excuse used, which was genuine, was listening to a crucial part of Auckland v Waikato Rugby match and wanted to get home to watch the rest of the game.

It pays to ask, as some in Police are very reasonable and fair.

 

This thread has some great discussion points

The same spiel about vaccines and passes and exemptions was also discussed back in the day as per Hansard UK/ NZ records in the last century. 

Always remember the harm that has been done to the animals in the world as a result of Professor Neil Ferguson and the abhorrent treatment and unnecessary deaths of them despite the outcry from those farmers and others in the UK.

He and his associates involved with SAGE UK need to be held to account and that's where they arrows should be aimed.

Ditto David Halpern, BIT, UK who meet the at the time Minister of Health, David Clark & Jenny Salesa in 2019, who is understood to have signed a contract to subject the people of New Zealand to an AI Re imagining New Zealand Social Experiment and failed to ensure we all had our Rights to Informed consent adhered to.

Think about the wider picture folks.

 

 

 

 

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The point Scooby is trying to make and some others don't seem to get is that she was 100% aware of the rules and chose to not only ignore them but to forge documents to make it look like she had complied. She would be totally aware of the consequences. There is no point trying to make an analogy with any other rules which we all might break on occasion. 

What is worse is that she comes from a covid part of the country, where people should be aware of the dangers. The anti vaxers tend to hang around together so they are at more risk of being contaminated than other groups associating in similar circumstances. If she attended a racemeeting, which she did, and then contaminated jockeys, trainers and raceday staff from around the NI that would probably result in the end of racing for now in the NI at the cost of many thousands of jobs. Its not like an anti vaxer trying to sneak into the local dairy.

It is also a pretty cynical action as she would be aware she would lose owners if she wasn't vaxed as they would think she isn't all that bright and won't be able to take horses to the races and attend to them properly. The penalty will be interesting. You would have to think it is at least as serious as the Jamie Kah situation.

 

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28 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

The point Scooby is trying to make and some others don't seem to get is that she was 100% aware of the rules and chose to not only ignore them but to forge documents to make it look like she had complied. She would be totally aware of the consequences. There is no point trying to make an analogy with any other rules which we all might break on occasion. 

What is worse is that she comes from a covid part of the country, where people should be aware of the dangers. The anti vaxers tend to hang around together so they are at more risk of being contaminated than other groups associating in similar circumstances. If she attended a racemeeting, which she did, and then contaminated jockeys, trainers and raceday staff from around the NI that would probably result in the end of racing for now in the NI at the cost of many thousands of jobs. Its not like an anti vaxer trying to sneak into the local dairy.

It is also a pretty cynical action as she would be aware she would lose owners if she wasn't vaxed as they would think she isn't all that bright and won't be able to take horses to the races and attend to them properly. The penalty will be interesting. You would have to think it is at least as serious as the Jamie Kah situation.

 

I agree that it is cynical, a blatant and intentional breach of the rules if true and probably comparable to the Kah situation.

30 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

 The anti vaxers tend to hang around together so they are at more risk of being contaminated than other groups associating in similar circumstances.

I don't agree with this however. It is the vaccinated hanging out together that are the far greater risk of being spreaders imo. They are much more likely to be infected and shedding the virus unknowingly because they don't have symptoms when doing so and therefore are unlikely to get tested and isolate.

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41 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

The point Scooby is trying to make and some others don't seem to get is that she was 100% aware of the rules and chose to not only ignore them but to forge documents to make it look like she had complied. She would be totally aware of the consequences. There is no point trying to make an analogy with any other rules which we all might break on occasion. 

What is worse is that she comes from a covid part of the country, where people should be aware of the dangers. The anti vaxers tend to hang around together so they are at more risk of being contaminated than other groups associating in similar circumstances. If she attended a racemeeting, which she did, and then contaminated jockeys, trainers and raceday staff from around the NI that would probably result in the end of racing for now in the NI at the cost of many thousands of jobs. Its not like an anti vaxer trying to sneak into the local dairy.

It is also a pretty cynical action as she would be aware she would lose owners if she wasn't vaxed as they would think she isn't all that bright and won't be able to take horses to the races and attend to them properly. The penalty will be interesting. You would have to think it is at least as serious as the Jamie Kah situation.

 

Going on what I have seen of recent communication by NZTR to trainers a hard line approach will be taken including involving the police to Covid rule breakers. So I would assume that police would have been involved  on the day and maybe it has been left to NZTR to to deal with the alleged  case.  I notice she has been charged with a serious racing offence  so that would presumably carry a disqualification and /or heavy fines.

Two cases heard by RIB recently have resulted in 2-3 thousand dollar fines  but this is much more serious.

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Trudy Keegan will no doubt be prosecuted, convicted and sentenced but when this medically ill-founded lunacy is over, and with the passage of time, there will hopefully be a time of reflection when the fallacies of this pandemic response will be exposed and her conviction will be expunged from the record, just like the enematic flush of historical cases of sodomy. JMFW. (Just my fervent wish).

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