Berri 2,131 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 The reason the timing system we produced wasn't introduced was that we showed that you couldn't produce the sectional times correctly because the actual official course distance and the actual distance differed. Levante ran 1.06.18....a WORLD RECORD. The Wellington Guineas over 1400 was 1.23.17 and the 1100 Wellesley in 1.03.01. Bankers Choice ran 1600 in 1.37.80....so the track wasn't lightening fast based on those races. On that Levante ran each 100m in 5.507. That means that she runs the 1000m in 55.07 and beats the 2yo's by 2.5 seconds or 5l per second being 12.5 lengths. That the other horse ran a nose behnd means that two horses broke the world record. And just on a small note, what happened to the distances of a nose, a head or a neck. On Loveracing, the margin was .1 lengths...Really? Who's idea was that? A person with no history? We're Doomed, dock leaf, Kingshill and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 The gap between the starting stalls and the end of the 1200 metre chute seemed to me to be bigger than it has been in the past. Contentious 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 .Most of the races on the day were run at ambles,some pressure was applied after an early walk which excentuated how good Bankers Choice really is in the anniversary but also spotlighted the inability of many of our hoops to judge pace... The Japanese know what racing is really about,and their punters rarely walk away feeling hard done by....same cannot be said here. cjw, We're Doomed, dock leaf and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,683 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tauhei Notts said: The gap between the starting stalls and the end of the 1200 metre chute seemed to me to be bigger than it has been in the past. 40 minutes ago, Tauhei Notts said: The gap between the starting stalls and the end of the 1200 metre chute seemed to me to be bigger than it has been in the past. TN, been happening for a while with the earth expanding like a balloon due to catastrophic global warming Be very afraid. Breeder, Baz (NZ) and Contentious 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 447 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 Have to agree with Berri, some time back a tangerine 2yo Louis Luck?, well he ran 1.08 and a bit. One has to assume any 2yo whom runs that sort of time is pretty smart. Well he was kicked out of the tangerine barn in fairly quick order to southland. The times make no sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 12 hours ago, Berri said: The reason the timing system we produced wasn't introduced was that we showed that you couldn't produce the sectional times correctly because the actual official course distance and the actual distance differed. Levante ran 1.06.18....a WORLD RECORD. The Wellington Guineas over 1400 was 1.23.17 and the 1100 Wellesley in 1.03.01. Bankers Choice ran 1600 in 1.37.80....so the track wasn't lightening fast based on those races. On that Levante ran each 100m in 5.507. That means that she runs the 1000m in 55.07 and beats the 2yo's by 2.5 seconds or 5l per second being 12.5 lengths. That the other horse ran a nose behnd means that two horses broke the world record. And just on a small note, what happened to the distances of a nose, a head or a neck. On Loveracing, the margin was .1 lengths...Really? Who's idea was that? A person with no history? The 1200m races were all hand timed yesterday Berri. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious 570 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, rdytdy said: The 1200m races were all hand timed yesterday Berri. why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 No one believes Trentham or Riccarton chute times I’ve ridden plenty there and it’s “roll your eyes” stuff …. downhill…short trip …the train back to town is quicker This is just a bizarre “we set a world record” chest beating exercise for those who have nothing to beat their chests about Go to Flemington down the straight 6 if you want to see how fast you really are, or Ascot / Berkshire, up the hill …… even Newmarket This NZ Trackside rubbish is an embarrassment … or maybe the 14 million dollar funded RIB has insisted we get a few new world records to justify their existence Leggy, Memphis3, L.J.Shannon and 4 others 6 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis3 1,222 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 They’d be blown into the weeds at Flemington in the Newmarket. Or Oakleigh Plate at Caulfield. Good horse but Ozi sprinters are next level. Probably a group two chance over there. Tried to steer clear of the rail on the fav and got too far back. Especially when they are running world records Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 I was told today that it was hand timed. What is going on in Wellington, both with the club and with the NZTR. It's fine to spend $14m pa but something as important as timing in 2022 isn't? Where is the leadership? Come on you guys....we gave you a paper on the racetracks and timing systems 5 years ago. We did all the hard work and still nothing done. I seriously hope the next CEO can pour a beer properly. chelseacol, Baz (NZ), Breeder and 3 others 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 I must admit to having a certain amount of scepticism about the time posted for the Telegraph, considering other times on the day, and another horse a nose away. I have hand timed it off the screen and it seems correct, so the issue could be the distance, if there is an issue. Baz (NZ), Leggy and Breeder 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Berri said: I was told today that it was hand timed. What is going on in Wellington, both with the club and with the NZTR. It's fine to spend $14m pa but something as important as timing in 2022 isn't? Where is the leadership? Come on you guys....we gave you a paper on the racetracks and timing systems 5 years ago. We did all the hard work and still nothing done. I seriously hope the next CEO can pour a beer properly. Absolute Mickey Mouse stuff Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipOrange 147 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 I hand timed it off the video, And the time was right Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, TurnipOrange said: I hand timed it off the video, And the time was right Do you know if the barriers were in the right place? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,763 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 The Telegraph times at Trentham have always been very quick and questionable. Victory Dias ran 1.06.59 way back in 1993, and Loader, Bawalaksana, Seachange, Guiseppina, Enzo’s Lad and Avantage were all timed under 1.07. As a matter of interest, the Flemington record set in 2001 by Iglesia is 1.07.16. Someone needs to get the measuring stick out….. Baz (NZ) and Pam Robson 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Bukowski 408 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 What time did Blue Blood run back in the 70s. Remembering they used to write the time on a blackboard. With hand timing of the same Group 1 last Saturday, things have really come a long way ..... Tauhei Notts 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious 570 Report post Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, chelseacol said: Absolute Mickey Mouse stuff Jacket tie and now hat required in the Committee room - Memphis3, chelseacol and Baz (NZ) 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted January 18, 2022 Total time posted : Telegraph 2021 : 1:07.95 Telegraph 2022 : 1:06.18 Time from barrier opening to the red marker on the inside fence (800m?). 2021 : 23.42 secs 2022 : 21.84 secs Time from red marker to finish line. 2021 : 44.53 secs 2022 : 44.34 secs I also did similar analysis with other early marking points down the chute. To the end of the chute where the inside rail ends. 2021 : 38.69 2022 : 36.70 Time from this point to finish line. 2021 : 29.26 secs 2022 : 29.48 secs Therefore, I think there are 2 possibilities arising out of Levante's time. 1) The 1200 metre chute was extremely fast. 2) The barriers were positioned slightly forward of the 1200m mark. Huey, Black Kirrama and Leggy 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Clydesdale 229 Report post Posted January 19, 2022 How pathetic is it that we cannot have an accurate time for a time honoured Group 1!! Not recorded by hand, but electronically. Reminds me of a three legged sack race at the Christmas Party for Mums and daughters…………….. Berri and Memphis3 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted January 19, 2022 So in our investigations when we were asked to provide a timing system for NZ in 2016, we stated the following: 1. There are three types of timing protocols in NZ; 2.One consists of the steward of the racing club clicking a hand timing piece when they consider the gates have opened; 3. One consists of the timer being activated when the start button is pushed by the starter; and 4. One consists of when the actual gates hit a time switch when the gates have sprung open. This inconsistency will always provide differential timing discrepancies if one wishes to record accurate certified timing of races, and sectional times. In addition to the actual timing systems, there would seem to be inconsistences in the actual distance of the races when comparing these actual distances to the advertised distances. It would seem that of the three race courses that have surveyed using GPS system with a 200mm accuracy, inaccuracies to be + or - 16m. This does not allow an accurate timing solution to be achieved. We would advise that all race tracks be accurately surveyed to ensure that the actual start points and distances are properly certified. Our solution to this would be to survey and Lidar the tracks to put to bed once and for all the weird timing results that have been recorded. The Lidar will provide an accurate representation of the track topography. arjay and Grego 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted January 19, 2022 "The track topography" Any idea of the difference in elevation between the 1200 metre start at Trentham and the winning post? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,335 Report post Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 12:23 PM, Charlie Bukowski said: What time did Blue Blood run back in the 70s. Remembering they used to write the time on a blackboard. With hand timing of the same Group 1 last Saturday, things have really come a long way ..... 1975 1 10.25 1976 1 7.25 1977 1 11.5 Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Feilding 284 Report post Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Tauhei Notts said: "The track topography" Any idea of the difference in elevation between the 1200 metre start at Trentham and the winning post? Definitely run down the valley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Al Feilding said: Definitely run down the valley It’s absolutely downhill, it feels downhill and it looks downhill Like others here I’ve ridden all those straight sixes from Riccarton to Flemington, and Trentham and Riccarton are very downhill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Harrop 226 Report post Posted January 20, 2022 Remarks on twitter prompted me to look at this further. I hand timed all the Telegraph's from 2017 onward from the 600m mark to the finish. 2022 Total time : 1:06.18 Last 600 hand timed : 32.36 2021 Total time : 1:07.95 Last 600 hand timed : 32.38 2020 Total time : 1:07.04 Last 600 hand timed : 33.01 2019 Total time : 1:06.95 Last 600 hand timed : 35.15 2018 Total time : 1:08.30 Last 600 hand timed : 35.40 2017 Total time : 1:07.71 Last 600 hand timed : 35.16 From these figures, we find that Levante's time of 1:06.18 totally checks out. The anomaly lies in the 2021 race, where they must have run the first 400 metres very slowly. Conclusion When comparing Levante's time from marker points along the chute to the finish against the 2021 race won by Avantage, Levante's time looks suspect. But when comparing with a wider sample of races from the 600m mark (hand timed off the screen), Levante's time of 1:06.18 looks legit. Levante ran a NZ Record, albeit officially hand timed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...