Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted January 5, 2022 The full training and licensing draft proposal link below.... https://loveracing.nz/OnHorseFiles/2 (Dec21) NZTR Licensing Policy - For Consultation.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyisit 227 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 10:31 AM, Tauhei Notts said: Thank you Baz for bringing this matter to our attention. I have spent the past two days worrying about it ................ There is an awful sentence in the report that is really troubling me. I am not as thick as pig shit, as I have a knowledge of binomial theorem, a smattering of French and Greek, real good mental arithmetic skills and a sound knowledge of N.Z. geography; BUT; "High performing horse trainers will no longer have to compete against those who have a lower cost operating model." WTF does that mean? That seems spooky to me. Paragraphs 2 and 3 hint of CLASSISM further entrenched by the following proposed rule changes which will impact on both Class B (permit to train)those wishing or forced to drop down under CPD to Owner Trainer Licence and existing Owner Trainers. EXISTING RULE {emphasis bold and underlined my highlights) 305 (1) A Class C trainer’s licence may be issued to a person who: (a) trains: (i) only horses solely owned or leased to him; and (ii) only horses in respect of which he has an Ownership interest of at least 10% with the balance being owned by one or more Near Relatives; and (iii) no more than two horses in respect of which he has an Ownership interest of at least 50%; and (b) is competent to train horses; and (c) owns or occupies an appropriate Trainer’s Premises; and (d) is financially sound and of good character. NEW PROPOSED DRAFT RULE OWNER TRAINER LICENCE 307 An Owner Trainer Licence may only be granted to a person who meets the criteria for the issue of an Owner Trainer Licence as set out in a Licensing Policy issued under Rule 303. 308 An Owner Trainer may: (1) train, control and care for horses which are owned by the Owner Trainer, or in which the Owner Trainer has an Ownership interest of at least 60% with the balance being owned by one or more Near Relative(s); (2) care for a horse at a Race Meeting which is trained by another Trainer with that Trainer’s consent, if a Stipendiary Steward has been notified not less than 1 hour before the start of the Race Meeting; (3) employ: (a) Stablehands; (b) Slow Work Riders; and (c) Fast Work Riders. CLASSISM its meaning Classism is the systematic oppression of subordinated class groups to advantage and strengthen the dominant class groups. ... Classism is held in place by a system of beliefs and cultural attitudes that ranks people according to economic status, family lineage, job status, level of education, and other divisions. Tauhei Notts, Huey and Baz (NZ) 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fermoy 226 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 Wow, scary. Whos bright idea is this? New broom sweeps clean maybe? Any new appointments at NZ Racing lately? Huey and Baz (NZ) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whyisit 227 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 More from the Discussion docs Our vision is that our sport offers people life-long and personally and financially rewarding careers in which they can grow and develop, while excelling at what they are good at. In particular: Our licensing and training system will be transparent, well-understood, and fair. Everybody will be clear what is required to gain a licence and what they should be aiming to achieve if they aspire to hold a licence which grants greater privileges; Everyone who chooses to participate in thoroughbred racing will be held to high standards and in return will be treated with respect and decency. There will be no place for those who take advantage of others, behave badly, or otherwise fail to meet our standards; Does that mean all the Public Trainers which will include the Class B trainers have to lower themselves to condone classism to meet the new standards Black Kirrama 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,682 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 Why don;t they just not renew the licences of the people that they don;t consider to be of an appropriate standing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 759 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 Where do pre trainers and those who do ready to run horses sit in all this? They need to be licensed but don't have runners to the races so are they to be gone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Aaron Bidlake said: Where do pre trainers and those who do ready to run horses sit in all this? They need to be licensed but don't have runners to the races so are they to be gone? They would fit into the public trainers group....they training horses for the public. This is a Consultation paper ,a draft , and they are seeking feedback and intend holding open Q & A sessions etc to answer all these questions. Industry groups obviously will be influential in getting the draft tweaked and changed. Concerns as a participant are surely best presented thru these channels. Airing stuff on social media IMO probably not the best approach. As pointed out , some of the lingo used seems 'nonsense' ,so changes to the draft seem highly likely . Few kiwis seem to be entering the Industry as jockeys these days ,and there are plenty of other areas where the Industry needs changes/improvements as well IMO. Huey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 759 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 Yes realize all that just pointing out the fact that not much thought must have gone in to the draft as that's just another area not given any thought as a licensed public trainer on the paper states they must have (1) runner in the previous season. TurnyTom 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contentious 570 Report post Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Aaron Bidlake said: Yes realize all that just pointing out the fact that not much thought must have gone in to the draft as that's just another area not given any thought as a licensed public trainer on the paper states they must have (1) runner in the previous season. Aaron it has most likely been written by someone who has never trained a horse nor ridden a horse and they would not know the difference between a salt lick and a caslick! TurnyTom, Baz (NZ), We're Doomed and 5 others 3 2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted January 7, 2022 Seems to me that everything out of Petone is unilateral with no consultation whatsoever. Hardly the way to get inclusive buy in. As for input after a draft released ... yeah right Keepingthemhonest, We're Doomed, dock leaf and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepingthemhonest 41 Report post Posted January 8, 2022 Howdy Tom Hows the punting going at The Mecca of gambling, Shirley TAB? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnyTom 1,518 Report post Posted January 8, 2022 13 hours ago, Keepingthemhonest said: Howdy Tom Hows the punting going at The Mecca of gambling, Shirley TAB? Not the same after Blackie left, don't go often use Ozzie TAB and Betfair, only bet in Australia mainly Mlb and been that way for 5 years. NZ racing full of ideas but no action and produce this corporate document but no follow thru, really is in bad shape CosmicBlackie 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted January 9, 2022 I read an article from an information technology expert, addressed to cabinet ministers. It goes; "If you want to fix the IT sector, then there is one key thing to focus on: Stop trying to FIX the problem. Find out what the bottlenecks are, remove those, and allow the people to fix the sector themselves." Substitute the racing industry for the IT sector and you have the answer to the discussion document that Baz brought to our attention. Baz (NZ), Huey and Gerrymir00 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,389 Report post Posted January 11, 2022 I saw this paper before going away. My hackles rose. Why don't TR sort there own house out. Leave the poor licence holders alone. They are under enough poverty stress as is it is without having more costs imposed. There is a bloated RIU, already to take the overview of operations. This thing reeks of empire building, an endeavour to create a bureaucracy that isn't needed and a millstone around the neck of Racing. It mirrors our socialist Government whose fiddling just imposes costs and increasing poverty. Who is the "David Parker" in NZTR that wants to have stupid ways to make us poorer. Fire the idiot! Huey, dock leaf, Baz (NZ) and 3 others 5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Clydesdale 229 Report post Posted January 12, 2022 Not having seen the document, I can’t comment on its contents. However, would it not be in the best interests of NZTR to ask the Owners, via some very basic research platforms available, “what they would like to see improved within the industry”. They, the owners, fund the breaking and training aspects of the horse. NZTR are woeful on so many fronts that they should look at themselves before consulting the wider industry about other aspects that require addressing. An independent audit of NZTR would have to be interesting reading for all participants in the industry. Cheers John Aaron Bidlake, Huey, Leggy and 3 others 4 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted January 15, 2022 On 1/9/2022 at 8:22 AM, TurnyTom said: Not the same after Blackie left, don't go often use Ozzie TAB and Betfair, only bet in Australia mainly Mlb and been that way for 5 years. NZ racing full of ideas but no action and produce this corporate document but no follow thru, really is in bad shape What your interest in NZ racing Tom . ? Not much it seems . So many disparaging comments ....and bet only on Aussie racing using Aussie betting agencies ! Are you trying to convert everyone else ,so when things collapse you can proudly announce.. " I told you so ! " First ,maybe change your moniker to Turncoat Tom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,719 Report post Posted January 18, 2022 Patiti, Huey, Whyisit and 2 others 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...