poundforpound 745 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 I wonder what the RIU / RIB would make of this given their sad lack of any scientific or racehorse physiology related knowledge This is the same hypobaric technology Darren Weir was using, and many elite cyclists and MMA fighters use …even the Warriors have a chamber RACING.COM - YOUR RACING CONNECTION https://www.racing.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 Mainly for recovery, ain't it. gawd I miss DW, made so much money off his horses, except weirdly, Prince of Penzance just missed he had a horse in the Cup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 15 hours ago, poundforpound said: I wonder what the RIU / RIB would make of this given their sad lack of any scientific or racehorse physiology related knowledge This is the same hypobaric technology Darren Weir was using, and many elite cyclists and MMA fighters use …even the Warriors have a chamber RACING.COM - YOUR RACING CONNECTION https://www.racing.com/ Great clip. Thanks for posting.Here's the exact link for those that didn't find it. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjr5-zljtz0AhXjheYKHfnBDqUQtwJ6BAgDEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.racing.com%2Fvideos%2F2021-12-08%2Fmaher-implements-sports-science-training-methods&usg=AOvVaw3sdYv2_L1o49rjsjtZcekX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Leggy said: Great clip. Thanks for posting.Here's the exact link for those that didn't find it. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjr5-zljtz0AhXjheYKHfnBDqUQtwJ6BAgDEAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.racing.com%2Fvideos%2F2021-12-08%2Fmaher-implements-sports-science-training-methods&usg=AOvVaw3sdYv2_L1o49rjsjtZcekX Oops, sorry, and thank you, I didn’t realize I hadn’t posted the link correctly One of Maher’s owners contacted me yesterday a pointed out that Ceiran had taken over Darren Weirs yard, hence the hypobaric chamber etc…. I’ve been there to see that in operation, it’s impressive, and in addition to that treadmill he has four hypobaric boxes they can sleep in at night, to simulate altitude training It does demonstrate what lengths you can legally go to if you have access to real money tasman man and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 This is the monitoring gear they are using. tasman man 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerula 1,389 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 Yes it all comes back to money and stakes to support the investment. NZ the poor cousins! tasman man 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 It also points to the merits of highspeed treadmills, AWTs and beaches or surfaces where othe variable have less impact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Leggy said: It also points to the merits of highspeed treadmills, AWTs and beaches or surfaces where othe variable have less impact. All useful, agreed, but I’d have thought the endogenous EPO production via the hypoxic chamber was the jewel in the crown of this show When you can increase your RBC count without stressing the animal you’re cooking with gas Baz (NZ), coro fan and JJ Flash 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, poundforpound said: All useful, agreed, but I’d have thought the endogenous EPO production via the hypoxic chamber was the jewel in the crown of this show When you can increase your RBC count without stressing the animal you’re cooking with gas Yes. You'd think if they can spend 8 figure sums on AWTs at training centres, they could put a few hypoxic chamber treadmills in as well and maybe provide trainers with hypoxic chamber boxes. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivanthegreat 1,123 Report post Posted December 11, 2021 Ragamuffin 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 7 hours ago, poundforpound said: All useful, agreed, but I’d have thought the endogenous EPO production via the hypoxic chamber was the jewel in the crown of this show When you can increase your RBC count without stressing the animal you’re cooking with gas Agree with you short stuff. Eqimetre OK but doesn't do two of the most important telemetry recordings. Both patented so they can't do it. We need a greenfield racing system...both training and racing. There's a way to do it but powers that be won't grasp it. meomy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meomy 971 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Berri said: Agree with you short stuff. Eqimetre OK but doesn't do two of the most important telemetry recordings. Both patented so they can't do it. We need a greenfield racing system...both training and racing. There's a way to do it but powers that be won't grasp it. The problem is those of us who were raised outdoors and lived life outdoors regardless of the weather can see those things clearly @Berri & know those things. Society has breed far too many who are scared of getting wet or venturing up a hill or 3 in case they have an accident or unfortunately now because of the boffins in charge of us all might get a runny nose, cough, pneumonia or whatever. Not helped one bit that Streams and rivers are out of bounds to Animals bc of silly humans who fail to see the basic necessities of our Animal Kingdoms fundamental rights to be well, animals. Snow Lupton and Ken Browne had the right idea as did Mr Mitchelson and others before them..altitude training together with a splash in streams and water is a must for great lung capacity of both man and animals fitness and health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 20 hours ago, poundforpound said: All useful, agreed, but I’d have thought the endogenous EPO production via the hypoxic chamber was the jewel in the crown of this show When you can increase your RBC count without stressing the animal you’re cooking with gas With gas or perhaps creating an uneven playing field? As you said, it's currently legal.. so was Bicarbonate until it wasn't... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Phillipe said: With gas or perhaps creating an uneven playing field? As you said, it's currently legal.. so was Bicarbonate until it wasn't... Oh dear …..what a stupid comment …. arguably the stupidest moronic comment of the year Are you going to ban horse being trained in high altitude environs then…Colorado, Johannesburg, Taupo……or prevent them being exercised anaerobically, or swimming ? You're seriously lacking any scientific knowledge mate …. do you work for the RIU or RIB ? JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, poundforpound said: You're seriously lacking any scientific knowledge mate …. do you work for the RIU or RIB ? Probably. That would fit. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauhei Notts 1,403 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 P for P comments about training horses at Taupo for high altitude adaption. Waiouru is much higher than Taupo, but I seriously doubt whether Waiouru would be of sufficient altitude to provide the required help. I have driven through Waiouru many times and I have driven from Johannesburg to Durban to see The July. The altitudinal difference is such that one must use petrol with a different octane rating in Durban than one must use up on the Witwatersrand. The Desert Road does not seem to have much effect on my car. Also, the Transvaal (Christ knows what it is called these days) horses do not rule when at sea level. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 11 hours ago, poundforpound said: Oh dear …..what a stupid comment …. arguably the stupidest moronic comment of the year Are you going to ban horse being trained in high altitude environs then…Colorado, Johannesburg, Taupo……or prevent them being exercised anaerobically, or swimming ? You're seriously lacking any scientific knowledge mate …. do you work for the RIU or RIB ? I'm not sure you read my post correctly, but who cares, it's fun to read your responses.. JJ Flash and Whyisit 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Phillipe said: I'm not sure you read my post correctly, but who cares, it's fun to read your responses.. With your intellect you’d be better focused on colouring in books Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,010 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: With your intellect you’d be better focused on colouring in books I heard they were in short supply due to Covid related freight issues. Colouring in crayons as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillipe 81 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: With your intellect you’d be better focused on colouring in books What's making you so angry little fella? Need some help? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjay 447 Report post Posted December 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Leggy said: I heard they were in short supply due to Covid related freight issues. Colouring in crayons as well. People wasting crayons during lockdown by going over the lines, actually terrible artists Gruff 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,778 Report post Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 10:01 AM, Phillipe said: What's making you so angry little fella? Need some help? Leo has never needed help. Are you 6 ft 5 , Le āne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bekler 0 Report post Posted December 27, 2021 good thread to read Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...