nike 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 I heard that the stallion has died. Has anyone else heard the same. I know quite a few people had shares in this horse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordman 1 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 Occidental Tourist transfered from Paxton Park in August 2009 and died 4th November 2009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nike 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 Sad to hear. Do you how or want he died off. H e didnot seem to be here very long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 We had a share in the stallion and this is the first we have heard that he has died. I am not surprised as we were informed that Paxton Park was no longer standing him this season and were asked for suggestions to relocate him, and guess what? Before we even received this letter from Paxton Park he had already been whisked any to some obscure nobody in Canterbury. When I protested about this occurance and tried to make some constructive suggestions I was shot down in flames by another shareholder and told I was doing nothing to promote the horse in Christchurch. I pointed out there was no way I was prepared to send a mare to a stud that I knew nothing about and when I did ring Shannone Murphy and left a message for her to contact me so I could arrange a time to visit her property - I am still awaiting a reply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod 1 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 Before buying a share in a stallion one should obtain a copy of the shareholding agreement. This sets out the detail and rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesley 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 I have a lovely strong OT yearling gelding. Just for interest can anyone advise on his total stars ie: runners/winners etc. I did not ever see him in the flesh but my boy looks the 'spit' of dad and have a great temperament. Sad if the shareholders were not kept fully informed of ALL business decisions regarding their investment Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 27, 2009 Don we are not stupid -of course we had a contract. He was originally syndicated through Jo & Ross Mackie from Java Lodge, and everything was great and very professionally managed by them. Unfortunately when the EI hit Australia it caused Java to loose a heap of money because they were unable to stand Jenno Rob Roy, so they sold up. Otis was taken on by Paxton Park, but with it being his 4th season they didn't get enough mares and decided not to stand him this season. Some North Island share holders pushed the panic button and unfortunately it has led to his demise. He was the loveliest natured stallion, and the first foal we bred by him, Mammas Love, scored her 4th win in Singapore last night. We have her full sister, Satisfaction and she ran a gutsy 5th at her first start at Timaru on Thursday. We also have a 3 yr old filly out of a 1/2 sister to Mammas Love which we would like to lease out, and we have a big, strong yearling colt brother to Mammas Love in the paddock. That is why I am so annoyed that a North Island shareholder organised his transfer to Ch Ch without any consultation with us and then had the bloody check to say we weren't promoting Occidental Tourist. We have 80 acres and may as well have had him at our place, at least he would have been fed and looked after. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 The 'Southern shunt' tends to be the road to ruin for many a stallion. As far as stallion contracts go,..... 'at the beginning think what may be the end!.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastas 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 WOW how dare you come on here and stirr up trouble!! The Horse was a mess when he arrived from Paxton Park, I know I had seen him with another studmaster and you can ask the float driver, Shannon has tried her best with the aid of vets to bring him back to his normal self. and she has spent alot of money over $8000 to do this unfortunately the damage had been done,.you will be made to eat your words when the autopsy is published, along with vet reports, two independent vet practises as well. You couldn`t even contact Shannon and offer condolences,geez!! It was up to the share holders to announce his death not hers. Shannon had more than 40 bookings to OT and it was share holders mares that she had served first leaving her own mares until everyone else had been looked after. She has lost out big time and is still a mess over his death wondering if there was anything else that could have been done. The autopsy was also video for all to see. How dare you put the blame onto Shannone when you did nothing to go visit him or answer her emails inviting you to visit him when he was still alive! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod 1 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Don we are not stupid -of course we had a contract. QUOTE] Pam, my comment was not directed to you but was an observation for all readers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Firstly I rang your wonder woman heaps of times - never in. Got some one else once and asked her to get wonder woman to ring me - still waiting. Left message on answer phone - still no reply. Twice we tried to find the property, no one knew where she lived. Asked a vet clinic in area and was told to steer clear of her and hoped we weren't getting involved financially, and that they didn't know where wonder woman had shifted to and didn't want to know. Obviously you are living in a wee dream world. Have you bred a winner by Occidental Tourist yet? Getting winners on the track is the most important way of getting a stallion recognised, but then you wouldn't understand that would you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 By the way we were never sent any emails from wonder woman. Get the facts straight before you make a complete arse of yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastas 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 I dont know who you think you are talking to but Im not the person you think it is Pam. You are coming aross as a mad woman. Why dont you just keep your slanderous mouth shut and wait for the autopsy. If you would like to contact Jim Mcphee who preformed the autopsy or Canterbury Equine who treated Otis for several weeks, Im sure they would be happy to discuss Otis and his care with you. Others financial situations is none of your business and your have no right publishing comments made by a recieptionist at a vet clinic, since when has Rolleston vets been a horse vet? you will find that not a lot of equine owners use them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Can't comment about the unfortunate stallion, nor the standard of care he may/may not have received. However, I have had occasion to deal with Ms Murphy over another matter, and communication is definitely not in her vocabulary. When finally making contact, I got a spiel about loss of cellphone and therefore phone numbers, however my email was still available and that was how I finally got in touch. So, yes, Pam, I fully understand your frustration. As an aside, how can one syndicate member have the authority to organise anything? Surely a shareholders meeting would be the least that would be required to decide the future of their asset? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
summer 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Pam , sounds like a sorry saga with OT. I had a look through the Our Aimee family. A speedy family with a bit of Sir T for stamina, and Minstrel Court comes to mind as a possible suitor, and hey, close to home. The Honour Grades mare from OA is a nice match on paper though not sure where she is now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofggs 2 Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Well I communicated via email with Shannone regarding a friends mares that were at her stud. She has been extremely helpful & owner did not have any problems with them at all being returned in good order after the OT died. I have a couple of OT's progeny & think that they are lovely horses with fantastic temperaments & have had the privilage of viewing a couple owned by others that ok are going to take time to mature, like one of mine but one in particular was absolutely stunning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nike 0 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 I have not got her email address do think I could have it Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 I thought it was best to point out to anyone interested in the Occidental Tourist saga, that this stallion arrived in Christchurch on the 5th of May. At the time Shannone Murphy had advertised on the Race Cafe for a couple of well bred Tb mares for the coming season. I answered her advert totally unaware that Otis had been sent to Ch Ch, and I was absolutely gobsmacked when see replied to my email and said she wanted a couple of nice mares to go to her new stallion Occidental Tourist. On the 2nd of May, Gary and I had received a letter from Mr Smit advising that Paxton Park were no longer prepared to stand Otis and we (the shareholders)had 2 weeks to find another stud to stand him. Three days after we got our letter he arrived at Shannones property, so we had no opportunity to have a say in his relocation. Luckily Fastas, this" mad woman" as you call me, has still got copies of the emails between myself and Henk Smit and Shannone which were way back beginning of May. If Occidental Tourist was unwell when he arrived from Paxton Park way back in May, why on earth did Ms Murphy accept bookings to the stallion and why didn't she say so when I told her I was a share holder? As soon as I said I was not happy with the situation she completely ignored my calls and I was unable to find out any more information. Shannone had Otis 6 months before he died, blaming the previous stud is absolute nonsense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofggs 2 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Email address & property address are on the nzthoroughbred.co.nz site if you type Occidental Tourist into Stallions then click on the stud name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 lotsofggs are you for real For gods sake open your eyes and read my postings properly. I know some people have selective hearing but selective eyesight is a new one on me. :confused: When I said I couldn't get hold of her and she wouldn't return my calls, I was using a TELEPHONE not a carrier pidgeon. :tcheek: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotsofggs 2 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Actually I was answering Nike's question posted above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam 1 Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Thank goodness for that - you had me worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORACLESTUD 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 WOW how dare you come on here and stirr up trouble!! The Horse was a mess when he arrived from Paxton Park, I know I had seen him with another studmaster and you can ask the float driver, Shannon has tried her best with the aid of vets to bring him back to his normal self. and she has spent alot of money over $8000 to do this unfortunately the damage had been done,.you will be made to eat your words when the autopsy is published, along with vet reports, two independent vet practises as well. You couldn`t even contact Shannon and offer condolences,geez!! It was up to the share holders to announce his death not hers. Shannon had more than 40 bookings to OT and it was share holders mares that she had served first leaving her own mares until everyone else had been looked after. She has lost out big time and is still a mess over his death wondering if there was anything else that could have been done. The autopsy was also video for all to see. How dare you put the blame onto Shannone when you did nothing to go visit him or answer her emails inviting you to visit him when he was still alive! It is my understanding also, that the horse was in questionable condition and health upon arrival in the south island. This is very unfortunate for all the shareholdersas the OT's I have seen have been nice animals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORACLESTUD 0 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I thought it was best to point out to anyone interested in the Occidental Tourist saga, that this stallion arrived in Christchurch on the 5th of May. At the time Shannone Murphy had advertised on the Race Cafe for a couple of well bred Tb mares for the coming season. I answered her advert totally unaware that Otis had been sent to Ch Ch, and I was absolutely gobsmacked when see replied to my email and said she wanted a couple of nice mares to go to her new stallion Occidental Tourist. On the 2nd of May, Gary and I had received a letter from Mr Smit advising that Paxton Park were no longer prepared to stand Otis and we (the shareholders)had 2 weeks to find another stud to stand him. Three days after we got our letter he arrived at Shannones property, so we had no opportunity to have a say in his relocation. Luckily Fastas, this" mad woman" as you call me, has still got copies of the emails between myself and Henk Smit and Shannone which were way back beginning of May. If Occidental Tourist was unwell when he arrived from Paxton Park way back in May, why on earth did Ms Murphy accept bookings to the stallion and why didn't she say so when I told her I was a share holder? As soon as I said I was not happy with the situation she completely ignored my calls and I was unable to find out any more information. Shannone had Otis 6 months before he died, blaming the previous stud is absolute nonsense. I really believe that opposed to ASSUMING, you should take a step back. Firstly on the basis that damage can be done over a prolonged period of time and there is every liklihood 'in general' that something can manifest at it's worst at a later date. I would suggest on the limited information I have heard 'from a caring source that I 'believe' to be reliable and honest...that jumping to conclusions is not a good idea. But that maybe...communication of all parties on an unbias level, should be invited. Once words escape they cannot be recalled! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordman 1 Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I really believe that opposed to ASSUMING, you should take a step back. Firstly on the basis that damage can be done over a prolonged period of time and there is every liklihood 'in general' that something can manifest at it's worst at a later date. I would suggest on the limited information I have heard 'from a caring source that I 'believe' to be reliable and honest...that jumping to conclusions is not a good idea. But that maybe...communication of all parties on an unbias level, should be invited. Once words escape they cannot be recalled! i think what pam is trying to get at is it sounds like as a shareholder she was not told what condition and health probs ot had and thats very dissapointing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
