berzerk 107 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 Agree Baz. From what I can gather he fumbles the whip before his final strike, regathers, and hits with upside down whip. Not even a strong hit. No malice. no intent, BUT 3 month suspension. Another very questionable decision from RIB and JCA. Hall and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Baz (NZ) said: I've watched the race in question multiple times and can't for the life of me see any evidence of the charges he's guilty of?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, berzerk said: Agree Baz. From what I can gather he fumbles the whip before his final strike, regathers, and hits with upside down whip. Not even a strong hit. No malice. no intent, BUT 3 month suspension. Another very questionable decision from RIB and JCA. I don't see how he could accidentally end up with his whip upside down. Even if he did, actually using it like that seems quite malicious and intentional to me. Pam Robson, JJ Flash and scooby3051 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz (NZ) 1,722 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, Leggy said: I don't see how he could accidentally end up with his whip upside down. Even if he did, actually using it like that seems quite malicious and intentional to me. How the hell could anyone clearly see that on video in real time ? Certainly not the Stipes who are usually blind on a good day and generally get it wrong ! Hall 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerk 107 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Leggy said: I don't see how he could accidentally end up with his whip upside down. Even if he did, actually using it like that seems quite malicious and intentional to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, berzerk said: Have you actually watched the replay? Yes that's where the screenshot pic is from. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerk 107 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 15 hours ago, Baz (NZ) said: How the hell could anyone clearly see that on video in real time ? Certainly not the Stipes who are usually blind on a good day and generally get it wrong ! Yes, the oxymoron is he would have been better to have dropping it when he fumbled. The standard of NZ stewarding and JCA is highly questionable. A senior jockey forcibly restrained their mount to miss a placing two weeks ago - not even a question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickle 35 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 What was the horse forcibly restrained? Be interested to watch it. Kloppite and Patiti 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, berzerk said: Yes, the oxymoron is he would have been better to have dropping it when he fumbled. It was no fumble. Given the admission of the charge, and the film evidence, the Committee is comfortably satisfied that the act was intentional. It accepts the submission of Mr Oatham that the action of altering the manner in which Mr Pinn held the whip was skilful and deliberate, as was the way in which there was striking of the horse, in the way displayed on the film. JJ Flash and scoobysnacks 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerk 107 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 On a wet day, at the same time he also loses his inside rein, he miraculously flips his whip upside down. All inside the final 50m. "Skilful, deliberate and intentional" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 59 minutes ago, Leggy said: It was no fumble. Given the admission of the charge, and the film evidence, the Committee is comfortably satisfied that the act was intentional. It accepts the submission of Mr Oatham that the action of altering the manner in which Mr Pinn held the whip was skilful and deliberate, as was the way in which there was striking of the horse, in the way displayed on the film. So help me understand how a soft rubber handle is any more “improper” than padded flaps ? Particularly given that the point of balance of a Raceday whip is at the end of the finger grip handle so this reverse technique has no power any way The only issue here is that NO ONE has done it before It’s rather like the time David Walsh carried two whips… WP might be a bit of a handful but this charge is b/s and they’re just harassing the kid … there was NO animal cruelty and no abuse here It’s time the RIB was given a decent overhaul and get rid of these small minded officious types who appear to be holding grudges Ragamuffin and Baz (NZ) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, berzerk said: On a wet day, at the same time he also loses his inside rein, he miraculously flips his whip upside down. All inside the final 50m. "Skilful, deliberate and intentional" He didn’t do that at all, on the contrary he merely slid his hand down about 8 inches down the grip to change the point of balance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 29 minutes ago, poundforpound said: So help me understand how a soft rubber handle is any more “improper” than padded flaps ? Particularly given that the point of balance of a Raceday whip is at the end of the finger grip handle so this reverse technique has no power any way The only issue here is that NO ONE has done it before It’s rather like the time David Walsh carried two whips… WP might be a bit of a handful but this charge is b/s and they’re just harassing the kid … there was NO animal cruelty and no abuse here It’s time the RIB was given a decent overhaul and get rid of these small minded officious types who appear to be holding grudges You have a point. I was just clarifying that it was deliberate and intentional, albeit skilful. It's never been known to be done before. However, as the adjudicator pointed out, racing's social licence is on thin ice and complaints from the SPCA can not be treated lightly, especially with respect to whip use. The padded whips were clearly designed and implemented so that only the padded end made contact with the horse. And it's not a "soft rubber handle". The end is hard as.I realise that Wiremu is a handful and I hope he makes good use of the 3 months to reflect and maybe get some help if he wants to pursue a career as a jockey after that. No doubt he is an outstanding talent otherwise. Not the first or the last to go a bit off the rails with some early career success. Hall and scooby3051 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Leggy said: You have a point. I was just clarifying that it was deliberate and intentional, albeit skilful. It's never been known to be done before. However, as the adjudicator pointed out, racing's social licence is on thin ice and complaints from the SPCA can not be treated lightly, especially with respect to whip use. The padded whips were clearly designed and implemented so that only the padded end made contact with the horse. And it's not a "soft rubber handle". The end is hard as.I realise that Wiremu is a handful and I hope he makes good use of the 3 months to reflect and maybe get some help if he wants to pursue a career as a jockey after that. No doubt he is an outstanding talent otherwise. Not the first or the last to go a bit off the rails with some early career success. Remarkably similar to CWJ…..judicial harassment Gentle rider just like CWJ This complaint through the SPCA / MPI came from a “racing person”…..same as CWJ Ragamuffin, TurnyTom and Baz (NZ) 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,076 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Remarkably similar to CWJ…..judicial harassment Gentle rider just like CWJ This complaint through the SPCA / MPI came from a “racing person”…..same as CWJ Very kind rider imo, these brain explosions aside. Just needs to sort those out and he's on the way. Took CWJ a few decades Ragamuffin 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Leggy said: Very kind rider imo, these brain explosions aside. Just needs to sort those out and he's on the way. Took CWJ a few decades This kid has an impressive team backing him, at every level He’ll be fine .. he’s actually not a bad kid …. and karma will take care of those orchestrating the campaign against him Leggy, Baz (NZ), TurnyTom and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
napier 339 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 How did the Stipes/JCA pick this up ?.......genuine question.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, napier said: How did the Stipes/JCA pick this up ?.......genuine question.... Reported by a “racing person” through the SPCA, who then sent it to MPI ……stipes on the day saw nothing….the connections were all happy Ragamuffin 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archer 296 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 Obviously it was Leggy ... Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragamuffin 122 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 11 hours ago, poundforpound said: Reported by a “racing person” through the SPCA, who then sent it to MPI ……stipes on the day saw nothing….the connections were all happy Sad that snitches have to run this route, obviously have a purrsonal distaste for WP, bad enough Govt is encouraging society to "nark" on each other. As you say P4P, he's not a bad kid, I like & encourage him, shyte like this does nothing to encourage young riders to stay within the industry, it's no easy life for any of them & having green eyed participants does nothing to help a flailing industry struggling to tread water. Kia Kaha Wiremu, 3 mths having fun out with kuri's hunting's, tino pai ki to Te Wairua Baz (NZ) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobysnacks 386 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 Was being 'picked on' the reason WP gave up riding? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,855 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 12 hours ago, poundforpound said: Reported by a “racing person” through the SPCA, who then sent it to MPI ……stipes on the day saw nothing….the connections were all happy Bloody hell, that does set a precedent. I would like to dob in all but two of the jockeys in the Bear Grylls race at Wanganui who didn't notice they had missed the boat until about the 500m mark. Basil brush and arjay 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poundforpound 745 Report post Posted November 27, 2021 26 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: Bloody hell, that does set a precedent. I would like to dob in all but two of the jockeys in the Bear Grylls race at Wanganui who didn't notice they had missed the boat until about the 500m mark. Operation Inca is entirely and totally substantiated by narcs and RIU disinformation Allegations of blood doping, betting irregularities, race fixing……but not one conviction and not one shred of evidence to support the claims of the narcs Baz (NZ) and arjay 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kloppite 314 Report post Posted November 28, 2021 23 hours ago, berzerk said: The standard of NZ stewarding and JCA is highly questionable. A senior jockey forcibly restrained their mount to miss a placing two weeks ago - not even a question. Where was this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted December 3, 2021 Dhakuri – Slow to begin. Held up rounding the home turn and in the early stages of the straight. Rider J. McDonald pleaded guilty to a charge under AR228(b) in that when unsaddling Dhakuri after the race and when the gelding stood on his foot, he reacted by striking Dhakuri in the stomach region with the butt of his whip. J. McDonald was fined $500. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...