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Berri

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Firstly I've got to declare a conflict of interest and a bias in respect of this post...I part own Bermadez

I am absolutely and thoroughly sick and tired of the pathetically useless management of the racing presentation in this country on Trackside. How many times has there been a major racing event, having just been completed, when the essence of the race, the celebrations and aftermath, is ruthlessly chopped off due to some sort of non descript event being displayed? Bermadez won in a thrilling finish yesterday (a Rating 80 race worth $500,000!!!). He is NZ owned, NZ bred (by Tavistock), trained by an NZer, and before he had a chance to sneeze after the finishing line, the image cut to Musselborough dogs or some such $250 feature. At the very minimum have they not heard of in frame presentations? 

Why can't these people running trackside get it? Why can't they see that the celebration of a win is the shop front window to enticing people to become passionately involved in the future? Can't they see that if they get people passionately involved, then those people will become more people who bet more money?

I simply don't understand the mind numbingly unintelligent approach to this when the counter argument seems to be unequivocally compelling..

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Berri, you may be biased, but you are correct. I was watching flemington yesterday, and I think it was the oaks, straight after the oaks trackside switches to Tamworth trots without placings or any info. Now my problem is the tamworth trot race was already on channel 2, hence both stations covering that race. Bloody poor show.

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Well it has to be greed I suppose. If they just don’t show that race punters won’t bet there again. It can’t be serious punters anyhow. They don’t bet on the Casino trots. Even when the jockey of a winner is about to respond to a question and he is cut off and a local gabfest replaces interview telling us that the winner was bred in Timaru. Couldn’t it wait 30 seconds. I can see how totally frustrating it must be to have a winner and hoping against hope to get some post race coverage only to be disappointed again. They should let an amateur have a go at running Trackside. It would be an improvement. 

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I have been watching racing.com for full coverage of Melbourne racing, but after all this time, they suddenly blocked me this week of all times, 'your location is not available'. The coverage was available for last Saturday. I hope it was just something to deal with the overload during the cup. I do not want to rely on Trackside to watch Victorian racing.

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Yes it's a joke. I mentioned on here a few weeks ago before the Everest which Trackside spent months building up they cut away from the horses in the parade ring to show a $27,000 race at Bendigo. Then as soon as the Everest is over and JMac is coming back to scale pumped and celebrations are beginning we cut away to another Australian race.

Check out this statement from 2009 when the new channel was added:

"The New Zealand Racing Board will launch a second racing-dedicated channel before Christmas which should redress the balance between races needed to drive turnover and racing as an entertainment product. With the massive increase in Australian and international racing being shown on Trackside television in the past five years many racing fans have complained about the lack of time given to major races, particularly post-race."

I think it's fair to say many racing fans are still not happy Trackside.

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The reason is I believe as the suits at the TAB have no interest or empathy to the thrill of owning a winner or the personalities involved in the industry...its just another avenue for them to make money if not racing then could be basketball, football or whatever. racing is Donald ducked as long as suits who have zero interest or could care less about it continue to make the decisions wherever or whatever capacity they have. And what about the joke of the coverage of the MC on TV1 ... an absolute joke....Look at the races at the Everest...what is the average age of the crowds there...definitely young by the looks of the pics...hey are the ones we need to attract to the races and our dickheads here have no idea how to do it...anyway my opinion for what its worth.

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Totally agree Berri, to encourage new people into the game we need to make it much more than just a gambling exercise. The back stories and the excitement of the owners and the crowds is such a wonderful part of the whole package. I believe the coverage not being available on racing.com ( I was gutted to) was due to channel 10 having the rights of free to air coverage for the day. As for TVNZ coverage I agree Scooby embarrassing and amateurish is being kind 

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berri was it because it was cut to dogs races that you weren't happy, as a punter across all three codes i like that they cut to the next race. if it was a dog race then had just finished would you want them to show the winning connections etc when your horse is about to jump or to cross to your race .

 

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5 hours ago, SavetheShire said:

I have been watching racing.com for full coverage of Melbourne racing, but after all this time, they suddenly blocked me this week of all times, 'your location is not available'. The coverage was available for last Saturday. I hope it was just something to deal with the overload during the cup. I do not want to rely on Trackside to watch Victorian racing.

Channel 10 had the rights to the Flemington carnival. Usually you can’t see the races on Racing.Com even on Foxtel in Oz. You are forced to watch ch 10. They still have the coverage but no race. Hope that’s the reason you missed it. 

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Its exactly as that famous book title says "Everything is f*@#^d" .. trouble with racing in this country as opposed to Australia everything is about budgets and having lowest possible budget product. Our governments have never given a toss either. On Trackside today Andy McCook was presenting remotely and it was a cock up .. like that advert on TV he obviously had bad net, very embarrassing.

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13 hours ago, Berri said:

Firstly I've got to declare a conflict of interest and a bias in respect of this post...I part own Bermadez

I am absolutely and thoroughly sick and tired of the pathetically useless management of the racing presentation in this country on Trackside. How many times has there been a major racing event, having just been completed, when the essence of the race, the celebrations and aftermath, is ruthlessly chopped off due to some sort of non descript event being displayed? Bermadez won in a thrilling finish yesterday (a Rating 80 race worth $500,000!!!). He is NZ owned, NZ bred (by Tavistock), trained by an NZer, and before he had a chance to sneeze after the finishing line, the image cut to Musselborough dogs or some such $250 feature. At the very minimum have they not heard of in frame presentations? 

Why can't these people running trackside get it? Why can't they see that the celebration of a win is the shop front window to enticing people to become passionately involved in the future? Can't they see that if they get people passionately involved, then those people will become more people who bet more money?

I simply don't understand the mind numbingly unintelligent approach to this when the counter argument seems to be unequivocally compelling..

I know how you feel about the tv coverage but everything that comes from Oz is probably no control of the NZ TAB.

I posted about these matters a while back, the Perth Cup was one example, all the hype before the race and then bang straight after the finish off to Gawler for a five dog race with a 700 buck or whatever pool, I don't know what they can do about it, maybe some pop up channel or something I don't know.

To be fair I do think that the local coverage from all the nz meetings get fair coverage time wise, as for tv 1 on Cup Day, I don't know why they be so poor, they would be better just to have a hour of non interrupted vision from Flemington but all tv needs quality not quantity, even sky have reruns after reruns, senz on radio are champions at it.

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Mike, I have to say  NZ TAB does have control some of the time. As I pointed out earlier, after the oaks, why would Tamworth trots be on both channels? at the same time !! And NZ content has a front person giving info. Its a shit show. I cannot comment on Berri's issue as was not watching at that time.

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15 hours ago, Berri said:

Firstly I've got to declare a conflict of interest and a bias in respect of this post...I part own Bermadez

I am absolutely and thoroughly sick and tired of the pathetically useless management of the racing presentation in this country on Trackside. How many times has there been a major racing event, having just been completed, when the essence of the race, the celebrations and aftermath, is ruthlessly chopped off due to some sort of non descript event being displayed? Bermadez won in a thrilling finish yesterday (a Rating 80 race worth $500,000!!!). He is NZ owned, NZ bred (by Tavistock), trained by an NZer, and before he had a chance to sneeze after the finishing line, the image cut to Musselborough dogs or some such $250 feature. At the very minimum have they not heard of in frame presentations? 

Why can't these people running trackside get it? Why can't they see that the celebration of a win is the shop front window to enticing people to become passionately involved in the future? Can't they see that if they get people passionately involved, then those people will become more people who bet more money?

I simply don't understand the mind numbingly unintelligent approach to this when the counter argument seems to be unequivocally compelling..

 

im suprised you are disillusioned by trackside so late in the peace, has it only occurred to people now? that the whole industry revolves around, getting a peice of the pie!! or perhaps making your pie look delicious... as is the case with the frustration

I cant help but think, peoples priorities are a little off... when you have people in NZ and all around the world standing  for their rights.

and here we are having our little rant about trackside LOL

if only that passion and promotion was injected into the Rights movement of Nz... promoting New Zealand as a HEARTY country full of good stock!! *winks LOL

YES.. its a spin i know... but shux this is a National event taking place, a National event in the same vein as the TPPA.

when we weigh up your rant...vs New Zealand  how can we not smile LOL

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24 minutes ago, 6xes said:

 

im suprised you are disillusioned by trackside so late in the peace, has it only occurred to people now? that the whole industry revolves around, getting a peice of the pie!! or perhaps making your pie look delicious... as is the case with the frustration

I reckon you should add the word "piece" into your spell-checker dictionary 

 

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9 hours ago, 6xes said:

 

im suprised you are disillusioned by trackside so late in the peace, has it only occurred to people now? that the whole industry revolves around, getting a peice of the pie!! or perhaps making your pie look delicious... as is the case with the frustration

I cant help but think, peoples priorities are a little off... when you have people in NZ and all around the world standing  for their rights.

 

This is a racing site and people are into racing that come to this site. Yes there are a lot of us who are troubled over the government's approach to life but on this sit racing comes first

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4 minutes ago, Berri said:

This is a racing site and people are into racing that come to this site. Yes there are a lot of us who are troubled over the government's approach to life but on this sit racing comes first

i understand the sentiment, and i agree this is all about racing...afterall its a racing site

what you have seemed to have missed in the point of my post,  was if you dont have a country to do your racing/breeding/trackside etc you aint going to have anything at all!!

then all the pettyness of your rant is solved!!

but hey... lets just whinge about trackside and the state of racing!! cos thats what REALLY matters here!!

YOU GET IT NOW!!

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14 minutes ago, 6xes said:

i understand the sentiment, and i agree this is all about racing...afterall its a racing site

what you have seemed to have missed in the point of my post,  was if you dont have a country to do your racing/breeding/trackside etc you aint going to have anything at all!!

then all the pettyness of your rant is solved!!

but hey... lets just whinge about trackside and the state of racing!! cos thats what REALLY matters here!!

YOU GET IT NOW!!

No

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8 minutes ago, 6xes said:

yep as i thought

Priorities!!

Your Priority is to post shit, shit, and more shit, that has no bearing on here. Your posts have all the hallmarks of what most people on this site consider crazy, bordering on insanity, and of no use to anyone but yourself.  Am sure you post then pat yourself on the back and say what a clever buggar I am. You are totally deluded.

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Just now, arjay said:

Your Priority is to post shit, shit, and more shit, that has no bearing on here. Your posts have all the hallmarks of what most people on this site consider crazy, bordering on insanity, and of no use to anyone but yourself.  Am sure you post then pat yourself on the back and say what a clever buggar I am. You are totally deluded.

if putting perspective to people who wish to have a dig about people who run trackside... then im well within the scope of putting up an opinion regarding my thoughts.

if its shit posting in your eyes... then clealy your eyes need washing!!

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9 hours ago, 6xes said:

if putting perspective to people who wish to have a dig about people who run trackside... then im well within the scope of putting up an opinion regarding my thoughts.

if its shit posting in your eyes... then clealy your eyes need washing!!

His vision is 20/20

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Trackside production is a disaster in many respects.
Apart from the obvious that Berri quite rightly complains about, I’ve lost count of the incorrect positioning of horses during races ( numbers are hard to read apparently ) and wrong placings, dividends posted after the race ends etc…pretty simple stuff to get right you would think.

Not much point introducing a second channel NZRB when you can’t get the basics right and continue to serve up the same old crap on both…..😠

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