" Our People" "Our People" "Our People"

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

Yes we have had it rammed down our throats at any given opportunity...."Jobs for our people", "opportunity for our people"... the list goes on and on and on.

Interesting to note that reports are that upto 48% of youth in the North are on unemployment benefit.

Of further interest is that Maori own about 40% of NZ's total fish quota which is then inturn leased,fished and processed in many cases by foreign companies using "sweat shop" labour.

Dogtor Pita Sharples has stated that part of the reason for this is that Maori don't like being "away" from their Whanau for too long' !!

Harawira continues his preaching of blaming sucessive Pakeha Governments for failure to provide jobs for Maori youth at his meetings on his Mana Party campaigns.

[eljay 1,720]

Did Winston have it right - did we allow too many immigrants into the country and now suffering from their "next generation". Was/is there a lesson from what has happened with some introduced species (animals, fish) where they gave thrived here to a situation of now becoming pests?

Perhaps the country could have sustained them when they arrived but can it sustain the product of their future numbers they create.

[eljay 1,720]

Did Winston have it right - did we allow too many immigrants into the country and now suffering from their "next generation". Was/is there a lesson from what has happened with some introduced species (animals, fish) where they have thrived here to a situation of now becoming pests?

Perhaps the country could have sustained them when they arrived but can it sustain the product of their future numbers they create.

[Furlong 0]

Winston had a lot of things right.

[archie 2]

"except lying straight in bed"

Cheers Archie

[Grahame Noblet 2]

.... Dogtor Pita Sharples has stated that part of the reason for this is that Maori don't like being "away" from their Whanau for too long' !!..

That's probably why there are so many Maoris in prison,they have gone to join family members.

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

That's probably why there are so many Maoris in prison,they have gone to join family members.

Grahame,it is just "another excuse" from Sharples....they are pretty good at fabricating as they go,and who benefits ? The very few at the top and their families,as for the rest,well,they will be called upon for their support and brainwashed for the next Hikoi,and on it goes,and goes....again and again

[DC7 1]

Did Winston have it right - did we allow too many immigrants into the country and now suffering from their "next generation". Was/is there a lesson from what has happened with some introduced species (animals, fish) where they have thrived here to a situation of now becoming pests?

Perhaps the country could have sustained them when they arrived but can it sustain the product of their future numbers they create.

Are you talking about Poms? ...or just people that don't look like most of us? In my experience 2nd, 3rd generation Indians and Asians are as Kiwi as anyone else. Any problems, real or perceived, are with the ones 'fresh off the boat'.

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

of this thread lads !! we are talking about Maori Elite pinching, thieving and ripping off "their people" big time.

Basically using them as pawns and sucking them in during the Claims process,then once they have got the millions,spitting them out like a lemon pip.

Only a very tiny %age of Maori ever see anything of the Billions that have been paid out for TOWaitangi Claims...its all going to the fat cats and their families.

[closet 0]

Are you talking about Poms? ...or just people that don't look like most of us? In my experience 2nd, 3rd generation Indians and Asians are as Kiwi as anyone else. Any problems, real or perceived, are with the ones 'fresh off the boat'.

Iranian drug lords now! FFS send them all back to where they came from if they want to abuse NZ like that..

[eljay 1,720]

Are you talking about Poms? ...or just people that don't look like most of us? In my experience 2nd, 3rd generation Indians and Asians are as Kiwi as anyone else. Any problems, real or perceived, are with the ones 'fresh off the boat'.

Not talking racially David - just those who have come with the recent big influx (10 to 20 years) whatever their country of origin. At the time we had dole queues yet the government set "target" immigration instead of looking after our own problem. And don't say we needed their expertise - how many came with qualifications only to miss out on jobs and go driving taxis and busses? If our own unemployed couldnt do that then they should have been denied any benefits whatsoever.

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

2/3 generations back had not much more than the shirt on their back, Chinese Market Gardeners, Dalmatian Fishing Families, etc etc.

They didnt get handouts nor did they want them !! they got their ass into gear grasped opportunity with both hands and set about creating futures for themselves.

Now we see Harawira protesting his hatred and blaming successive Pakeha Governments for generational failure, lack of opportunity,unemployment of Maori etc. etc. on his present election campaigns for his Mana Party.

[Te Toka 2]

Perhaps those who decided to make an agreement with the locals back in 1840 should have had the intention of keeping to it and there would be no need for all the angst today.

All this "one people - one law for all " only came about since the reparations - prior to that the locals knew their place and were not percieved to be getting uppity.

The early colonizers should have been more attentive to the journals of Capt. James Cook who observed in 1773 "They are a people who will never put up with an insult if they have an opportunity to resent it". It was certainly insulting not to honour the treaty agreed to with them.

As an aside I will be extremely surprised if Hone does not take the seat by a substantial majority - those of Ngapuhi know their history well.

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

especially when you go back to the 1700's.

Go forward,move forward,be responsible,be accountable,take control of your life, remove the chip off your shoulder,dont blame Pakeha or The Government for continuing generational failure and all negative Maori statistics.

Stan have you also been sucked in and used as a pawn by Maori Aristocricy in order for them and their famalies to recieve huge TOWaitangi Claims ? because many Maori have been walked over big time.....time and time again !!

[myk 4]

Morgan gets a court injuction last Thursday to stop a scheduled meeting today,which he suceeded in getting.By taking this approach against the people,Morgan and TeArataura have committed political suicide in the face of Tainui Tribal Parliament who only want to conduct business,openly,fairly and honestly.A completely opposite way than Morgan wants.Looks like he's about to be caught with his boxers around his ankles.

The people are on to him.

[Te Toka 2]

Surprise, surprise.

Same old people on the same old subject.....

BORING.....

Understand where you're coming from kakama - I check in for a read now and again and think "oh no those young whippersnappers are still rolling out their stupidity".

They have to be taught not to idolise the tired old hacks of the ACT party/nzcpr and free radical - all yesterdays rejects.

The great majority of New Zealanders have realised the facts and are going foreward happy with things as they are progressing.

[DC7 1]

The great majority of New Zealanders have realised the facts and are going foreward happy with things as they are progressing.

Who are you kidding??

[STRAIGHT STRIKE 37]

Who are you kidding??

TOWaitangi Claims are costing every NZer and eroding the living standards our forefathers worked together to achieve.

Easy to see that many Maori have now been brainwashed to believe in the likes of Harawira,Morgan and the like,reason being is that you will find all have nothing to loose,are uneducated,devoid of the facts,will believe anything they are told by these radicals and feel as they are part of a group etc etc.

In actual fact if they were to look at many other countries in the world just how priviliged they are to be here they would realise,however you cant teach or show an uneducated idiot sound reasoning.

[Te Toka 2]

Who are you kidding??

Just a logical deduction.

The first major TOW payment was made in 1992 -Sealord.

Small payments were being made for about 50 yrs prior to Sealord.

Since 1992 there have been numerous settlements - totalling near $1 billion.

All major political parties are in consensus that there these are a necessary and honourable fact of life - and pass them through legislation when appropriate.

The public have been electing their choices in the full knowledge that their representative will participate in the process.

Therefore the majority of the public are in agreement with the payments.

There are a few radical organisations at either end but ultimately their ranting has no effect.

[Madlib 2]

Just a logical deduction.

The first major TOW payment was made in 1992 -Sealord.

Small payments were being made for about 50 yrs prior to Sealord.

Since 1992 there have been numerous settlements - totalling near $1 billion.

All major political parties are in consensus that there these are a necessary and honourable fact of life - and pass them through legislation when appropriate.

The public have been electing their choices in the full knowledge that their representative will participate in the process.

Therefore the majority of the public are in agreement with the payments.

There are a few radical organisations at either end but ultimately their ranting has no effect.

Very true.

And the 1.5% who disagree vote for ACT.

[DC7 1]

Very true.

And the 1.5% who disagree vote for ACT.

Short odds on the 1.5% growing significantly at the next general election. More by default, than anything else - National are backstabbing sellouts, Labour are ...well, Labour, the Greens...nah...what's left for the average normal person? NZ First, I guess.

[Te Toka 2]

As an aside I will be extremely surprised if Hone does not take the seat by a substantial majority - those of Ngapuhi know their history well.

Have to change "substantial majority" to 50/50 now that National & NZ First are getting in behind the Labour candidate & the Maori Party have said that their candidate has no political nouse.

I thought the skulduggery in Epsom was bad but I've never seen anything like the power being lined up against the Mana Party.

Could be that the worry for the establishment is that if Mana made it to the general election Hone could take a few others with him to Parliament, so best to exterminate him now.