john legend 743 Report post Posted October 4, 2021 Hard to believe only one trainer has horses for race 10 at Auckland this friday I know he is a great asset to harness racing but a $20000 payday for him and his clients . Good luck to him but what is the reason for this strange race ? (are we going to the dogs !!?) JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted October 4, 2021 Reid originally nominataed one but was withdrawn. Obviously with the big races on the horizon Stonewall wanted their good horses to get a run or two under their belt. Can you blame them John? As long as the current export of useful horses continues you will see plenty of this. Incidentally I see in latest list of exports, a number of brood mares have also been exported. Not good, is it? JJ Flash and john legend 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted October 4, 2021 Agree eljay no blame on Mr Telfer,good for him. yes it is a sad trend for harness racing and perhaps the "experts" might like to see reality instead of stating how great things are going... eljay 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash 2,135 Report post Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, john legend said: Agree eljay no blame on Mr Telfer,good for him. yes it is a sad trend for harness racing and perhaps the "experts" might like to see reality instead of stating how great things are going... I wonder if Gary has an interest in any of them, or for that matter, any of the HRNZ board? Value Bell 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 742 Report post Posted October 5, 2021 Firstly , the Telfer stable is a 'huge' player in the North and deserve all the success it gets ,but they can obviously see where things are going by setting up in the South as well where you can at least race horses of similar ability. Plus the new calendar will mean the better 'group' horses will need to travel between Islands to target 'group' racing. The North is very short of horses ,and declining ,but made even worse by Covid Level restrictions which makes it a pain to race in Waikato and vice versa. Currently in both Islands the age -group races for 2 and three year olds seem to be low on noms , a constant flow of sales overseas yet to be slowed ! The $20k race for 3 yr-olds was always going to struggle particularly with a horse like BD Joe looking to race. Normally he would be in Spring Cup v Copy That etc. So the 3 yr old race has a rating range of 49 - 73. It includes one filly ...may as well race than trial as race unlikely to be a gut buster with 6 x stable mates ! Young horses often stick to own sex races but not in North ! Meanwhile the main race has a spread of 67 -120 [Copy That] .OK numbers as it a feature race and was promised to go ahead after last weeks main race not held as too few entries. One of lower range horses since sold from that canned race which could have featured Board members horse.....so personal interest never came in to it. Last weeks trot race also canned ,but goes ahead this week with all but 1 from same stable ! Sadly this is the REALITY of Harness in the North ! john legend and JJ Flash 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Piper 408 Report post Posted October 5, 2021 16 hours ago, eljay said: Reid originally nominataed one but was withdrawn. Obviously with the big races on the horizon Stonewall wanted their good horses to get a run or two under their belt. Can you blame them John? As long as the current export of useful horses continues you will see plenty of this. Incidentally I see in latest list of exports, a number of brood mares have also been exported. Not good, is it? There has been a push for the brodmares in foal as one of the Aussie states have a lucurative race series where only those born in the state are eligle. Also a yearling sales have similar story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted October 5, 2021 Simple solution - put big "tax" on broadmares served in NZ then exported. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeTheNZHarnesRacngStar 34 Report post Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 10:17 AM, john legend said: Agree eljay no blame on Mr Telfer,good for him. yes it is a sad trend for harness racing and perhaps the "experts" might like to see reality instead of stating how great things are going... Hi John, Just letting you know Mr Telfer also trains in partnership with Mrs Telfer (Amanda). Just felt like you needed to be made aware in case you didn't realise. My tip, Alta Wiseguy for the money. Cheers, George JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted October 7, 2021 Sorry George and mrs Amanda Telfer was aware of the training arrangement . my mistake. agree all the money heading Alta wiseguy but logics say B D Joe .... must be quinella of night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted October 7, 2021 Mrs Telfer is actually Ms Telfer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted October 7, 2021 Seeing we both wrong ,it was stated that Ms Telfer was to be in charge of the new Canterbury set up and Steve to handle Auckland... and it is a big operation and a successful one, thoroughly deserved.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeTheNZHarnesRacngStar 34 Report post Posted October 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, john legend said: Seeing we both wrong ,it was stated that Ms Telfer was to be in charge of the new Canterbury set up and Steve to handle Auckland... and it is a big operation and a successful one, thoroughly deserved.. I knew I'd get it wrong and it would be a Ms, not Mrs but I didn't make sure. I should of researched harder prior to my post. My apologies. Good luck this evening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navitas 108 Report post Posted October 8, 2021 3 hours ago, eljay said: Mrs Telfer is actually Ms Telfer Yup, brother & sister john legend 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted October 8, 2021 Quinella of night.. quotedabove . came in fantastic but tab theft paid $1.00 !!lol also in earlier race 8 Tab betting on late scratchings meant divs obviously would drop but must have been tab feeling tOO exposed on fav Pauly D on ff.so dropped ff from 3 to 2. same as tote 3 to 2.but just at close suddenly tote droppedfrom 2 to 1.10 and paid 1.20.and 1.30 place. such a late drop all ups ? big punt last min? but more likely TAB (imho) placing big money to square ff pay outs. Am I getting paranoic in my old age or is there smoke about ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,719 Report post Posted October 9, 2021 It's like the petrol price John - it's going up alarmingly and I reckon it just so they can take the same as they used to. With lockdowns less petrol being used so take is down. ThIs also helps keep the GST take up too! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 743 Report post Posted October 9, 2021 Unfortunately we need fuel so a comparison lost with TAB risking losing customers unless fairness is maintained . most can live without an investment to return nil profit or 20% when risk considered. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite 314 Report post Posted October 10, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 6:24 AM, john legend said: Hard to believe only one trainer has horses for race 10 at Auckland this friday I know he is a great asset to harness racing but a $20000 payday for him and his clients . Good luck to him but what is the reason for this strange race ? (are we going to the dogs !!?) Yoles have this regularly in Tazzie . They have enormous numbers in each race and have in the past had the same situation as above. JJ Flash 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
